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mjd1982

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I think that there is one important view of abortion that has not been examined by any commentator on the issue, and that is the view of it as being the denouement of a simple and irrevocable causal chain (conception -> birth), which would mean that aborting on day 1 is no different to aborting on day last but 1. Though the former may seem reasonable, the latter clearly is not, and yet according to the causal chain argument that i think holds, the 2 are the same.

I have written the argument out in full here


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Posts: 4 | Posted: 12:37 PM on April 17, 2009 | IP
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From my point of view (a pro-lifer's) this argument could be either good or bad for my stance. It changes the position of those who argue against abortion past a certain point (supposedly when the baby has developed enough to experience pain or whatever) into straight-out pro-life. If those supporting that policy are turned as a result into banning abortion, that's good. But if those who would have supported that policy choose not to, for not wanting to commit to no abortion whatsover, this will not be helpful.
 


Posts: 13 | Posted: 11:28 PM on April 20, 2009 | IP
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I think it is a very good view and just simplifies the debate into a blank and white category where there is no grey. What you are saying, if I am reading what you are saying right, is that once life starts its life and time doesn't make that anymore so or any more less significant. Life is Life. If youíre a mathematical thinker... egg + sperm = Life (baby) + time = Growth  the continuation of life This is the equation of no abortion. Now letís look at it with abortion. Egg + sperm= Life(baby) + No Time aka abortion= No Growth which indicates life that has been stopped which = death by and outside hand = murder. Death that happens on its own is just death as it occurs in life naturally. The life cycle, nature its self, you put a hand out to control that and you are playing God. Are you God? No, I think not. So the real debate dropping the softened word choice and the imaginative word abortion you are stuck with this debate...To Murder or Not To Murder?... Thatís the question. If Murder or if it makes you feel batter abortion/ choice then please take a trip down to the nearest jail cell and get into a nice orange jump suit and take your place with all the other people who have tried to play God and mess with the lifeís of others or those who have gone against the laws of man. Don't forget, as many have these days, Murder is against the Law of Man it states it very clearly predating thousands of years. Go do a research paper on murder and tell me if it has changed or been viewed differently. Murder throughout history has always been viewed as bad or as "wrong". It has always been punished. Your Dead Wrong to think murder of a baby, of a life now will change for you. Throughout time and history you take a life you will be punished in some form or another. Life runs its course you try to stop it and it will run over you. Even in the Bible it says you cannot even take your "own" life without punishment why on earth would you think you had the right to take anotherís. Is this all too harsh for you? Ok let me change the words back abortion instead of murder and instead of premeditated Iíll use "choice" as you pro-choicerís like to say and instead of baby/child/human being Iíll use fetus. Now that I have changed all the wording does this make whatís being done any different? Actions speak louder than words, isnít that what everybody says. So what are the actions? Ok so weíre not using daggers, guns, poisons ,and knifes in a abortion which are described as weapons which is defined as a device for use in attack or defense or anything used against an opponent, adversary, or victim. But we are going to call them ďinstrumentsĒ defined as a mechanical tool or implement, esp. one used for delicate or precision work. Well now letís get back to action subject, what do these instruments that a doctor uses in an abortion do. They  use vacuums and clamps, or the instruments that are used to dismember the body parts and organs from the fetus causing death, the end of life; the total and permanent cessation of all the vital functions of an organism, that a knowing mother in who made a choice  set up and appointment to accomplish.  Now tell me when letís say Bob decides he wants to murder, kill, or end the life of John and he sets up the time to do it and chooses that he would like to kill him using weapons to dismember the body parts and organs form Bob causing death, the end of life; the total and permanent cessation of all the vital functions of an organism. Please tell me the difference, because even with the words changed the same action happened and the same result occurred. The thing that gets me is that all the same things happened only one is called Premeditated Murder and the other is a Mother who choose not to keep the life that was growing inside her, picked a day to do it on, and have the very same things done to the Child/Fetus (a Homo Saipan just like you and me) as what happened to John. The only thing that has changed is now its called abortion. Donít you think there is a problem in this?
 


Posts: 4 | Posted: 12:46 AM on December 5, 2009 | IP
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If the fetus can't feel it or the Mother is in danger, it's fine.
 


Posts: 20 | Posted: 11:27 PM on January 17, 2013 | IP
    
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