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These are thoughts I recently put to writing, pointing to why I think the current debate over abortion misses the underlying issues involved, and why I hope that changes. I have no idea how people will recieve my ideas, but I'm glad to find out. I'm posting this in various abortion related forums, obviously this one included, in the hopes of stirring a debate that actually goes somewhere, rather than the pointless shouting matches I've seen.

Also, some forums don't like profanity, so I've self-censored.

I am flaming the abortion debate.  Every aspect of the debate, right down to the names chosen by the sides: Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice; is defined by it's simple avoidance of the actual issue. Nobody's Anti-Life. Nobody wants to give license to kill babies, even unborn ones. They don't. And nobody's Anti-Choice either. Nobody wants to force women to give up their lives for a child they didn't want to have, and didn't mean to have. Nobody wants to force an unequal level of sexual responsibility on women, simply because they're the sex that carries the babies.

Of course, by saying nobody I am, admittedly, ignoring the rare outliers that DO want these things, but they are so outside of the majority and this debate is so large-scale, it's worth it to ignore them in this case.

Nobody rebuts. Nobody disagrees. They just have differing priorities. And it's stupid, because if anyone thought for TWO SECONDS they'd realize that making abortion legal or illegal isn't going to solve it. If it's illegal women will still have abortions, if in slightly lower numbers, but with considerably greater public health problems created. And if it's legal, women will still have to suffer an unequal level of sexual responsibility, and those that get an abortion will have to deal with the guilt involved, which does exist, for many if not all to varying degrees, because as I said, they don't WANT to kill the baby, they just don't want it to kill them either (figuratively).

So, fantastically, and in true five-year old squabbling fashion, the problems that created this issue in the first place (killing babies is bad, ruining women's lives unfairly is also bad) are still there. And I'm sick of these thought-ending arguments like "Well, it's not murder if it's not technically human", when it is human. It has the same genetic make-up you and I have, and it grows the same way we did. And, no better "Well, she had sex, so it's her own fault she's got a baby to deal with". Sure, and HE had sex too. But his life isn't over, and hers potentially is. If these issues were that simple this argument wouldn't have lasted this long.
I'd say it's pretty obvious the only way to solve this problem is to work hard fixing this unequal responsibility thing. It's very simple, until men and women suffer the same fear of pregancy, and until men have to take as much responsibility for that situation as women, ALL THE TIME, this problem will still exist. Making abortion legal will fix nothing. Making it illegal will fix nothing. Right now NOTHING is fixed. Once this issue of equality is sufficiently resolved, a solution might be reached, which is both fair and ethical, but until then, there will still be a problem, whatever the law may say.


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Posts: 1 | Posted: 02:15 AM on January 26, 2006 | IP
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Public opinion is ignorance en masse.  If a woman has an abortion illegally, the penalty rests squarely on her and whoever performed the abortion.  If The Federal Government legitimizes abortion by making it legal, now the penalty falls on all citizens.  This is because the citizens must support legalized abortion, and do nothing to try and stop it, in order for this law to survive.  This means all of the people in the United States share in the penalty for abortion, and we are all guilty of it.  

It's the same as if the Government legalized drugs.  It would actually cut down comsumption, because when drugs are manufactured, they are desecrated to a pagan idol, or Satan to be excessively addictive.  This fact is not up for debate.  The fact that people here might not know about it only evidence that they don't know any drug lords, pagan sorcerers, or satanic priests.  I know these people, and I know they use sorcery to bring about more abortion.

Drugs made without being cursed are much less addictive than their cursed counterparts.  But, if drugs are legalized, the penalty for the damage they do will be born by all citizens of the United States.  As it is now, the addicts themselves bear the full weight of the penalties for addiction.  

Women who have abortions consume a lot of public resources because of this, which could be used to raise children, not deal with all the problems caused by abortion.  I believe bringing children into the world is important.  The US population is not growing fast enough to support the next retired generation.  If people are allowed to kill their own children when it proves convenient for them, we will die as a nation.  It won't even take any judgement from God.  We will do it all ourselves, through the ignorance that is public opinion.  How would you like your Mom to take you to the doctor, and the doctor kills you.  But, first you have to go through a sophisticated process called reason.  What is reason, you ask?  Reason is where three or more lesbians and sodomites, with credentials no less, declare you a lump of flesh to be disposed of as your mother pleases.  I bet you wouldn't like lesbians and sodomites declaring you are not human.  I wouldn't like them doing that to me.  

There is a way a woman can bless her abortion.  When she is on the altar, she can ask that everyone leave the room so she can have one last moment alone with her baby.  Then she can say, "Mother Mary, You are the Mother of God.  Will You bring me to Jesus through Your immaculate Heart so I can ask Him a question?  Jesus, will I be alright if I bring this baby into the world?  Jesus, either give me a love for this child in me, or bless my abortion.  

Then say a Hail Mary:

Hail Mary full of Grace, The Lord is with Thee.  Blessed are Thou among women and Blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus.  Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death, Amen.

Mary is an eternal virgin.  She is the model for all women to be beautiful.  Mary is the most blessed and beautiful woman who ever lived.  She will appear to you if you ask.  Or, you can invite the doctor back in the room.

People forget about immortality.  I am immortal.  I cannot die.  I have everything a person could possibly wish for, and life only gets better for me every day.  I do not work.  I do not commit crimes.  Money is given to me by God because I do His will and fight abortion.  I work for God.  God owns everything.  So, whenever I need something, I ask God, and He gives it to me.  Because I know The Son of God, by The Power of His Blood, I am immortal.  People have tried to kill me plenty of times because of what I do.  I have been in the intensive care unit on life support for poisonings, gunshot wounds, car wrecks, all where murder was the motive.  But, I lived through that, and two terminal illnesses.  Since God was faithful to see me through, and He gives me everything I want, I am faithful to Him to do His will.  If you want everything you ever wished for, all the time, fight against abortion.


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Sorcerers have long known: If you know an entities name, and you take on its nature, all of its power belongs to you. If you know the Name Jesus Christ, and you take on His nature, all Power belongs to you; and you are immortal.
 


Posts: 5 | Posted: 5:37 PM on January 26, 2006 | IP
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Um, you do know Mary isn't a virgin anymore, right?


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"Thou believest that God is one; thou does well: the demons also believe, and shudder." James 2:19 - Belief is never enough.
 


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Hell's perfect minion, without shame, out of sheer wickedness, seeks to mangle the beauty of innocence, bringing ruin to themselves and everyone they touch.  This person will not stop short of raping The Mother of God by denying Her innocence.  This person has committed spiritual suicide, and seeks to sow the same in everyone else.  This is the truest, boldest, and most evil of all psychopaths.   This is the type of person which becomes child molester.

Fear not what can kill the physical body, but what can cast the soul into Hell.  May you bask in the light of Jesus Christ's Truth.  May it lighten up every part of your darkness, revealing all that is in your heart.

I did battle with a pagan warlock for 20 years.  He cast every spell he could on me, and he still couldn't kill me.  That is because I have the hand of God on me.  I cannot be defeated, because God cannot be defeated.  Wickedness is no match for good.


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Sorcerers have long known: If you know an entities name, and you take on its nature, all of its power belongs to you. If you know the Name Jesus Christ, and you take on His nature, all Power belongs to you; and you are immortal.
 


Posts: 5 | Posted: 11:53 PM on January 26, 2006 | IP
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Do you know what the word "until" means?  If I told you that I didn't have dinner last night UNTIL 5:00, what then do you now know I did last night after 5:00?  Had dinner say you?  Of course.  Gold star.

Mathew 1:25 "But he (Joseph) had no union with her (Mary) UNTIL she gave birth to a son.  And he gave him the name Jesus.

Now, what happened after Jesus was born?  Joseph had union with her, you say?  (King James and American Standard use the word "know", but we all know what know means )  Correct.  Gold star.  Or I suppose you though that Jesus brothers and sister were all miraculous conceptions as well.

Besides, you can't pray to Mary anyhow.  

1 Timothy 2:5 "For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Jesus Christ"

Only one who can interced for you is Jesus.  Mary is in Hades with everyone else, awaiting the second coming.  At which time I'm sure (as sure as one can be about another) she will enter into heaven with the saints (which, by the way is a term used to describe ANY Christian, unless you think Paul was writing to dead people in all his epistles that start out with "to the saints at...").  And look up the difference between Hades and Gehenna before you blow a fuse.  I know the King James version has messed up most people's understanding of the terms.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 10:30 AM on January 27, 2006 | IP
    
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