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theamericancatholic

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Here are the meaning of a few words...

truth; 1 a archaic : FIDELITY, CONSTANCY b : sincerity in action, character, and utterance2 a (1) : the state of being the case : FACT (2) : the body of real things, events, and facts : ACTUALITY (3) often capitalized : a transcendent fundamental or spiritual reality b : a judgment, proposition, or idea that is true or accepted as true c : the body of true statements and propositions3 a : the property (as of a statement) of being in accord with fact or reality b chiefly British : TRUE 2 c : fidelity to an original or to a standard

opinion; 1 a : a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter 2 a : belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge b : a generally held view3 a : a formal expression of judgment or advice by an expert b : the formal expression (as by a judge, court, or referee) of the legal reasons and principles upon which a legal decision is based

pregnancy; 3 : containing unborn young within the body

abortion; 1 : the termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus

kill; 1 a : to deprive of life

murder (noun); 1 : the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought

murder (verb); 1 : to kill (a human being) unlawfully and with premeditated malice

These are some well known facts...

-Sexual intercourse often results in a woman becoming pregnant.

-Abortion ends the womans pregnancy by means of removing the unborn child with the express purpose that the unborn child dies.

Might we then conclude the following...

Pregnancy is a state of a woman carrying life. Abortion deprives that carried unborn young of its life. To abort is to kill. (And let us understand here that "to kill" is limited to the killing of human life.) Murder is the killing of a human being. Murder is an act that is strictly upon human beings. To murder is to kill a human being. Abortion is the taking of human life. Abortion must be murder.

John 18:38 Pilate said to him, "What is truth?"

Here is another word...

denial; 2 a (1) : refusal to admit the truth or reality (as of a statement or charge) (2) : assertion that an allegation is false b : refusal to acknowledge a person or a thing : 5 : negation in logic 6 : a psychological defense mechanism in which confrontation with a personal problem or with reality is avoided by denying the existence of the problem or reality



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Posts: 3 | Posted: 11:34 PM on March 6, 2006 | IP
Rho

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lol

The dictionary says it so it must be true?  Ever heard of Appeal to Authority?
 


Posts: 8 | Posted: 12:16 AM on March 8, 2006 | IP
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Rho, I understand where you are going with the whole fallacious appeal to authority thing, but one wonders, when arguing what a word means, what authority would you go to besides the dictionary?  He's simply claiming that words have definitions.  And based on those definitions, certain things can be inferred.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 09:30 AM on March 8, 2006 | IP
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Theamericancatholic is taking a great approach, definitions of terms are vital in a debate. But you've left out two of the most important words that need definition:

1) what is "life"
2) what is a "person"

Pro-life arguments include the term "life" frequently, but not in the standard dictionary definition. What pro-life proponents appear to mean when they use the term "life", is something more specific I think;  they mean a "person" (i.e. a living human being with legal rights).

So, how do you define a "person"? What are the living qualities that exist uniquely in a human being and not in other living things (such as living human organs)?

Your other arguments follow straight forward and conclusively: If a zygot is a person, and killing a person is murder, then abortion is murder. But first it needs to be established that a zygot is a person. To do this you need a consistent definition of what constitutes being a person.

The definition of what constitutes a living person relies as much on the threshold that is crossed at the end of human life as it does on the one crossed at the beginning. It needs to capture the qualities a living person has during the entire span of life and at the same time parse-out those qualities of life in general that are not an essential part of being a person.


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Posts: 10 | Posted: 6:00 PM on March 8, 2006 | IP
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What pro-life proponents appear to mean when they use the term "life", is something more specific I think;  they mean a "person" (i.e. a living human being with legal rights).

No. In fact you will find that when a pro-life person says life they mean human life, regardless of the state of development of that life. If you look at human life as life, than any killing of it is murder and morally wrong.


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Posts: 3 | Posted: 9:52 PM on March 8, 2006 | IP
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That sound great and all, but "human life" does not have legal rights. Only people have legal rights. If you are not stating that you believe the human life that starts at conception is a person, then there is not much argument to be made against abortion.

I can't imagine that you wouldn't want to distinguish between the significance of the humal life that is your liver or sperm and the significance of the human life that is your person as a whole.

Here's an interesting fact to ponder when considering personhood, the nature of life, and the point at which the soul enters and leaves the flesh:

There are people alive in the world today whose bodies are built from more than one genetically-distinct population of cells. It's a condition that occurs more commonly in animals with large litters, but it also occurs among human beings. It's called "chimerism". It happens when one or more zygotes become fused during development. If two of the zygotes are of a different sex, this can result in a person whom is part male and part female. This person is not simply sexually ambiguos as can sometimes be the case in people with hormonal/developmental dysfunctions; there are two genetically distinct cell lines, one male on female in the same person. If the zygotes are of the same sex, there is still two distinct chromosomes, but the distinction is more visually dramatic in the person who is both male and female, in either case it is a life that is made up of two genetically distinct human bodies combined to make one person.

Does having more than one set of genetically distinct chromosomes in your body mean that you have more than one soul? Or that you are more than one person?

No real point here, just something to ponder.


 


Posts: 10 | Posted: 11:03 PM on March 8, 2006 | IP
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If the question is the definition, dictionaries are the authority.  However, that is not the question in this philosophical debate.
 


Posts: 8 | Posted: 10:01 PM on March 10, 2006 | IP
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(Here's an interesting fact to ponder when considering personhood, the nature of life, and the point at which the soul enters and leaves the flesh:

There are people alive in the world today whose bodies are built from more than one genetically-distinct population of cells. It's a condition that occurs more commonly in animals with large litters, but it also occurs among human beings. It's called "chimerism". It happens when one or more zygotes become fused during development. If two of the zygotes are of a different sex, this can result in a person whom is part male and part female. This person is not simply sexually ambiguos as can sometimes be the case in people with hormonal/developmental dysfunctions; there are two genetically distinct cell lines, one male on female in the same person. If the zygotes are of the same sex, there is still two distinct chromosomes, but the distinction is more visually dramatic in the person who is both male and female, in either case it is a life that is made up of two genetically distinct human bodies combined to make one person.

Does having more than one set of genetically distinct chromosomes in your body mean that you have more than one soul? Or that you are more than one person?

No real point here, just something to ponder.)










another point more common to ponder

blastocyst can divide into two separate embryos creating identical twins, surely no one will try to argue that identical twins = one in the same person split into two bodies, will they?
 


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