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Let me explain a good compromise. If a woman is more likely than usual to die in labor she should be allowed to have an abortion because either way it will more than likely = death. i know, there was still a chance the woman would still live, however that is based on a gamble in ones life, its better to just not risk it. If a woman is raped she should be able to get an abortion because psychologically everyone, friend and family, is affected. and what happens when the child asks who thier father is, the mother will have to explain how this person drugged her or held her down while she was fully conscious and preformed the "deed". However on the reverse side if a woman just doesnt wanna give birth or have a child, then to bad, they knew what the risks of unprotected sex is. its her fault. sames goes with someone who cannot afford a child, except its worse because they knew they couldnt properly care for a child in the first place.

I find that a fair compromise to the issue. Please express a better compromise or your opinion on my, or other, compromises. please dont stray this off to a debate on God/s support or lack thereof. its fine to say "i dont like abortion because my religon taught me it is wrong and morally i find it is wrong" but it's not to say "its not rite cuz god said so." the difference is that the former says both your religon AND YOU think its wrong, but the latter says just your religon says its wrong.

Im asking for YOUR imput from YOUR experiences in life.


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Posts: 18 | Posted: 12:38 AM on July 18, 2006 | IP
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I see where you going, but I think it'll bring up an unintended consequence.  Picture this, monday morning, woman finds out she is pregnant.  She had sex.  But she doesn't want the baby.  Her only way out now is to find some guy to accuse of raping her.  If she cares so little as to have her own offspring vacuumed out of her, do you really think she's going to give a rat's butt about her one-night stand?


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 01:34 AM on July 18, 2006 | IP
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Do you honestly think it's always an easy decision for a woman to have an abortion? Do you honestly think just because one might consider an abortion that one might falsely accuse someone of raping her? That's so disrespectful and hurtful to women in general it's sickening. And who said it would have to be a 'one night stand'? Married women and women in relationships get abortions too, you know. Not just women who have more than one sexual partner (which, by the way, they are completely at liberty to have).

If men were able to have children also, abortion would never be an issue - it would be fully legal as they would actually see what a woman has to go through and realise that they themselves would want the option. That, i can promise you.
 


Posts: 292 | Posted: 05:30 AM on July 18, 2006 | IP
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actually, the most pro-life person I know is a woman...
 


Posts: 3 | Posted: 4:54 PM on December 20, 2006 | IP
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Most of the pro-lifers I know are women too.  She's just trying to make up generalities that will somehow back up her point.  There is no need for them to be factual.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 07:58 AM on December 21, 2006 | IP
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Quote from K8 at 05:30 AM on July 18, 2006 :
That's so disrespectful and hurtful to women in general it's sickening.


Do you honestly think this situation would never happen? I would be willing to bet it would, disrespectful or not.



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Posts: 52 | Posted: 2:56 PM on January 17, 2007 | IP
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unless all of you have become moraless robots then no just because of who caried the baby would have no impact.

Abortion kills in the futer, what the diffrance than killing now?

If you kill an unborn baby, its called an abortion, if you kill a murderor its called unjust.


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Posts: 681 | Posted: 11:15 PM on May 4, 2007 | IP
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How is the fetus conceived through rape, any different to a fetus conceived through consentual sex?

Unless someone can prove to me they are different then why should women who have been raped be given a 'get out of damnation free' card?

Yes, the circumstances are different but the fetus is still an 'innocent baby' being 'murdered.'

I have had an abortion, because I didn't want a baby, couldn't afford a baby and quite frankly having a baby would've ruined my life.

Not to mention the fact that being forced to carry that fetus to full-term as some sort of punishment for having sex would've damaged me more than anything else.

Why should I not be given the choice to abort if I feel that is in my best interest?
The fetus does not and should not have priority over a woman's body and reasoning.



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Posts: 14 | Posted: 09:30 AM on June 5, 2007 | IP
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I'm confused.  If you think that getting away with abortion is a "get out of damnation" free card and then you say you've had an abortion, what exactly are you saying?

Besides if you are trying to say that having to accept the consequences of your own actions and carrying a fetus to full-term is a punishment for having sex, then you might as well say that having to live without an arm is a punishment for having cut off your arm with a band saw.  Both are known consequences of the action you CHOSE to do.  Duh.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 07:47 AM on June 6, 2007 | IP
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I never said abortion WAS a 'get out of damnation free' card.
I was making the point that if you restrict it, saying only victims of rape and incest are allowed abortions, that you would be giving them that sort of pardon, saying that their abortion is acceptable whereas someone who feels unable to care for a child, their abortion is not, even though the abortion is just the same.  The technique the same and the fetus still an 'innocent baby' being 'murdered'. I do not see how you can restrict it in such a manner when the unborn fetus conceived through rape is just the same as a fetus conceived through consentual sex. The circumstances may be different but the woman is still pregnant. And the fetus still 'innocent'.
What is the difference?

And you act like pregnancy is always the result of sex and that it can't be avoided. It's actally more like saying because I ate a lot and now have indigestion, I must suffer the consequences and avoid taking any medication to ease it. Or because I got in a crash with a drunk driver, I must be legally obligated to donate blood to the passenger seriously injured in the wreck.


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Posts: 14 | Posted: 08:22 AM on June 6, 2007 | IP
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You did choose.  You chose when you decided to have sex knowing that it is the way humans reproduce.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 9:44 PM on June 6, 2007 | IP
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However that is not the only function of sex and if you truly believe that it is then you have a very narrow-minded point of view.
Not to mention that by using birth control I was taking precautions to not fall pregnant.
Please do not preach abstinence to me as an option, it is not a sensible option or opinion and teaching teens 'abstinence only' sex education is rubbish.

(Edited by choice 6/7/2007 at 04:59 AM).


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Posts: 14 | Posted: 04:58 AM on June 7, 2007 | IP
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My apologies.  I keep forgetting how stupid it is to think this generation has some sort of ability to control themselves.  In the "olden days" we called it willpower.  Apparently it has been genetically removed from today's children.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 07:28 AM on June 8, 2007 | IP
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Oh and I forgot that sex is somehow illegal between those humans who do not want a baby and are not married.
In the "olden days" lots of things were different.
I have willpower, I have control, I just happen, along with many millions of people across the world to find sex enjoyable and an emotional, bonding, loving experience to be shared, which makes a loving, beautiful relationship stronger.
My apologies for wanting to express and convey love to my partner.


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Posts: 14 | Posted: 6:12 PM on June 8, 2007 | IP
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Fine, but you are also old enough to know that it can end up in pregnancy, AIDs, crabs and a host of other diseases.  If you are not WILLING to accept these possibilities then you should not be having sex.  That's like playing Russian roulette and after you end up a vegetable (providing you don't die) you complain that it was only a 1 in 6 chance and you didn't want to shoot yourself in the head.  What moron is going to say "yeah, you're right, the chances of you ending up a vegetable were small... you obviously weren't suicidal"?  You're line of reasoning leaves something to be desired.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 09:43 AM on June 9, 2007 | IP
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Choosing abortion does not in any way imply a lack of understanding and acceptance of the risks of sex. I accept the possibility that when I have sex, I may become pregnant. If this happens, I will abort.

BTW: Crabs isn't a disease. It's a host of external parasites similar to headlice.  Condoms will not protect you from crabs, but good hygene, OTC headlice treatments, and at worst total hair removal from the area will. If you're trying to scare people off sex, pick a scarier and less shakable infection. There are many to choose from.  

(Edited by choice 6/9/2007 at 11:16 AM).


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Posts: 14 | Posted: 11:14 AM on June 9, 2007 | IP
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Didn't say crabs was a disease, just a possible byproduct of sex.  Oddly enough, a mutually monogamous relationship after marriage with a person who also saved themself for marriage is unlikely to cause any of the above other than pregnancy (and if you don't wish to have children this is easily fixed with a simple surgery to remove the possibility).


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 12:17 PM on June 9, 2007 | IP
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If you are referring to tube-tying or hysteretomies then have fun trying to convince ANY doctor to perform an irreversible operation rendering you unable to have children if you are not over the age of 30 and already have children. If you are childless and under this age it is almost entirely impossible to convince anybody to perform said operation on you.

And how simply marvellous. You do know that people can be born with STI's (gonorrhea, herpes, HPV, HIV, and syphilis) don't you? And that monogamous relationships can still result in said infections?


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Posts: 14 | Posted: 12:38 PM on June 9, 2007 | IP
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1)  Don't know what country you live in, but it very easy in the United States to get these surgeries.

2)  Do you understand what "unlikely" means?


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 1:29 PM on June 9, 2007 | IP
    
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