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If abortion is right, then think about it. Are u glad that u'r Mom didn't abort u? How would u like it? What if George Washington was aborted? What if guy who discovered germs was aborted? Think about... REALLY think about. U'r taking away a life... Not even mentioning possibly damning that baby to hell (or Heaven... But if u believe that babies go to Heaven then what about there lives for Christ? It would be completly thrown away).

But even if u'r not a Christian... U would still be taking away a life... And for all u know u could be taking away the life of the person that is going to find a cure for cancer.

And even though I believe that if u have the resources for a kid and that putting it up for adoption is silly if not wrong, u CAN put it up for adoption (and in my belief, if you have the resources).

So just think about it... Really...

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yes,you have a extremly good point there, abortion pills end a babys life(in a way) there is a possibility of the child doing somthing great in the future.For all you know you could end all humanity becuase your child would of discoverd how to replentish the suns energy or somthing like that (ok kind of extreme there but hey is possible) on the other hand some people belive they will not be able to take care of there child.but overall, i agree with you.


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There is always the option of adoption.


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I am always amazed at how little you 'Christians' think of God.  Do you really suppose that the birth of George Washington would not have happened if his mother didn't want him.  Don't you think that God might be a little more powerful that George Washington's mother?  Maybe the soul doesn't enter the body before there even is a body.  Maybe God waits until He's certain the package is going to be delivered.  And what kind of God would send an unborn fetus to Hell.  Incidently, since most aborted fetuses can neither think nor feel, what would be the point?
And as for the good that the resultant child might do, the simple fact is that most unwanted children are not a blessing to society.  
Finally, adoption is a great option for white, healthy newborns.  But when the mother takes a while to find the courage to say she dosen't want the child - something society doesn't encourge - or the child is damaged, then adoption is really not an option.  Better to let the mother decide.
 


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to laazareus... God gave us free will. Free will means that if one of God's children (how about George Washington's mother) had had an abortion... no, he would not have created another George Washington. That is what free will means. God isn't up there correcting our mistakes! How would we learn from them? I believe in adoption, not abortion. And yes, babies CAN feel. There are tons of ongoing studies that fetuses can feel much earlier than they previously thought. This website tells you so...

http://www.abortionfacts.com/online_books/love_them_both/why_cant_we_love_them_both_14.asp
 


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To adoption not abortion.  Amazing.  So God sends a few - miilion - innocent children to hell so that their mothers can learn from their mistakes.  Seems a little extreme.  By the way, how does that happen.  I mean, how does the mother learn that she aborted another George Washington?  By the way, there are no studies indicating that a one day old fetus can feel (morning after pill), and even if they could all you would be proving is that God is both less powerful and more uncaring than previously though.  How about this:  Creation is not about mankind and God doesn't send millions of children (born or unborn) to hell to teach someone else a lession.
 


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God aborts... they're called miscarriages.

If abortion is right, then think about it. Are u glad that u'r Mom didn't abort u? How would u like it?

The stupidity of the question is astounding. If I was aborted I could care less since I would not feel after the fact.


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Posts: 40 | Posted: 9:17 PM on November 18, 2007 | IP
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laazarus... What makes you think unborn babies (or even born babies) go to hell?

Wiz... How could you care less than not being able to care at all?  I don't understand how you could care less than that.


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The only thing that is relevant is that a human in terminated, the only thing that warrants termination of a human is if that human is threatening your or some one else's life.


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EMeyers  -  You'll have to ask 'The Voice'.  I was responding to him/her.
 


Posts: 3 | Posted: 8:56 PM on November 24, 2007 | IP
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Well, conveniently you wouldn't know if you would have been here, had your parents aborted you.

The moral arguments aside, abortion is legal, and shall remain legal.  If you don't like them, don't have one.
 


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Why then isn't murder legal? Are you not still killing some one?



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none of use have any idea what us are on about.
Do you have any idea what having an abortion is like? you cannot all be completely against it because god might have had some special plan for them. he would not make plans for someone he knows will not have the chance 2 live. God knows what happens before it happens. Use are not very clued up on your frikken religion if use do not already know this.

it is not always as simple as thinking, oh jee i cant give up this baby because it might be the next george washington... i had one at 17!! i was too young to have a baby, think about it honestly... how would you feel if you knew you were born into the world with a 17year old mother, and probably not even having a father around. I did it because i knew my baby deserved better and there was absolutely no selfish reasons about it.
i am a very maternal person, it was the hardest thing i ever had to do

but no matter what use all think or say, i know i did the right thing by the baby and so did a lot of other people that get stuck reading this rubbish.
i know that adoption is what people should do instead, but its not ever that easy. i could never give up my baby

the people who have written half of this stuff have no idea what they are talking about. maybe use should find out what the real life is about and how hard it is, because odviously you have no idea
 


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I ask again then why isn't murder legal? I mean if the only argument as to whether something should be legal or not is to what extent it is easy, than shouldn't murder be legal if that is the easiest way for you?


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Who ever said that abortion is "easy"? Nor is murder. However, a fetus is not considered a "human being" in legal terms so it's not considered murder.
 


Posts: 5 | Posted: 01:30 AM on April 23, 2008 | IP
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Quote from The Voice at 1:31 PM on October 17, 2007 :
What if George Washington was aborted? What if guy who discovered germs was aborted?



What if Hitler or Stalin were aborted?


 


Posts: 5 | Posted: 01:32 AM on April 23, 2008 | IP
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I ask again then why isn't murder legal? I mean if the only argument as to whether something should be legal or not is to what extent it is easy, than shouldn't murder be legal if that is the easiest way for you?

Murder is legal, in some states. It's called "the death penalty". Most of the (non-moral-based) arguments for it is, indeed, that it is 'easier' to kill a criminal than to jail him/her for life.

Regardless, there must be a line drawn at which point a collection of multiplying cells becomes a human, if only for the sake of the law. Currently, that line is drawn at the point where abortion becomes illegal. Thus, abortion is not classified as murder. If you want to go and argue that abortion is still killing off 'potential humans', then you should take every contraceptive-user to task for doing the same thing.


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Actually the death penalty is the consequence for murdering an innocent civilian.


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Posts: 681 | Posted: 01:51 AM on April 27, 2008 | IP
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Firstly in that case, we're going to have to define 'murder'. To me, at least, 'murder' is "the killing of another human by a human with malice aforethought (ie, non-accidental)".

By that definition, the death penalty is officially sanctioned murder.

A common response is to say that 'murder' is "the unlawful killing of another human by a human with malice aforethought (ie, non-accidental)". To pre-empt this response: using this definition makes the law irrelevant to reality - a murderer is only a murderer if he/she is caught and the killing is determined to be 'unlawfull'.

I also re-stress that abortion is _not_ murder, because murder does _not_ involve the death of a human being.


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Posts: 81 | Posted: 2:12 PM on April 28, 2008 | IP
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Or execution could be considered preventative measures. If by putting to death one murderer you make another think twice before murdering some one els you just saved an innocent victim.


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Quote from Das_denkmal at 01:32 AM on April 23, 2008 :
Quote from The Voice at 1:31 PM on October 17, 2007 :
What if George Washington was aborted? What if guy who discovered germs was aborted?



What if Hitler or Stalin were aborted?




Neither argument is worthwhile. Either abortion is inherently right or its inherently wrong.

For example, what if someone had shot Hitler when he was six years old? Does that make it okay to start gunning down six year olds? Of course not. If Hitler had been aborted, the world might have been a better place. That doesn't justify abortion.


 


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Quote from pink_S2 at 07:21 AM on March 31, 2008 :
Do you have any idea what having an abortion is like? you cannot all be completely against it because god might have had some special plan for them. he would not make plans for someone he knows will not have the chance 2 live. God knows what happens before it happens. Use are not very clued up on your frikken religion if use do not already know this.



Just because God knows something will happen doesn't make it right. He knew man would sin, but didn't prevent it from happening because He created mankind with free will.

The reason Christians are generally against abortion is not because we believe that we are losing people who would help the world, it is because we feel those unborn human beings are being murdered before they have a chance to experience the world.

And from Biblical teaching, we can understand that those souls are not lost. There is no explicit verse that says so, but the principles of Scripture show that only those who sin are lost (Romans 6:23). And certain people cannot sin, because sin is "lawlessness" (1 John 3:4). Aborted children cannot break the law, because they've had no chance! In this regard, they were never "lost" so they cannot be "saved" - they had no sins to be saved from.


 


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Just because God knows something will happen doesn't make it right. He knew man would sin, but didn't prevent it from happening because He created mankind with free will.


In other words "free will" is a mechanism that your god uses to determine who gets into heaven and who goes to hell.  Since life on earth for humans is a mere speck in time compared to eternal life in heaven and hell, wouldn't a truly omnibenevolent god do away with the "life on earth" part of the experiment and send his "loved" creations straight to heaven?

The reason Christians are generally against abortion is not because we believe that we are losing people who would help the world, it is because we feel those unborn human beings are being murdered before they have a chance to experience the world.


Taken in the context of your religion, at least as you have described it, your attitude regarding abortion is selfish and irrational.  Rather than guarantee a spot in heaven for the aborted embryos and fetuses, you desire to  bring them to term and place their guaranteed spot in heaven in jeopardy.

And from Biblical teaching, we can understand that those souls are not lost. There is no explicit verse that says so, but the principles of Scripture show that only those who sin are lost (Romans 6:23). And certain people cannot sin, because sin is "lawlessness" (1 John 3:4). Aborted children cannot break the law, because they've had no chance! In this regard, they were never "lost" so they cannot be "saved" - they had no sins to be saved from.


This only accentuates the selfishness of the rationale you use to support your stance against abortion.

 


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many women would rather an abortion than adopting.. i chose that as i couldnt give birth just to give the child away, i would torture myself wondering what became of my child and so on

and what pink said is right! most of you have no idea what you are talking about as you havent been thru it!
 


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So instead of wondering what your child is doing, you would rather know for sure that your child is dead.


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Posts: 681 | Posted: 10:47 AM on January 7, 2009 | IP
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I'm not sure if somebody mentioned this earlier but I guess you could say it's a shame if you abort the future inventor of the cure for cancer. And it would have been unfortunate if Augustine Washington (George Washington's mother) would have had an abortion. But at the same time, what if Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, Theodore Kaczynski, Jim Jones, Manuel Noriega, Juan Peron or Fidel Castro were all aborted? The fact of the matter is that possibilities of either outcome are rather unlikely because of the fact that these are extremes. Most often, children who are born in opportunistic and positive environments have become positive members of society. Although they are positive they aren't THAT positive. It is not likely that a white, middle class or upper class child develops the cure for cancer. Odds are reasonable that the child will become a middle class worker much like most of society.

Despite this though, that outcome occurs mostly in positive environments. I highly doubt that Stephen Hawking was raised up in Queensbridge Housing Projects "chilling" with his "homies" while they "blaze a J" and "pop a forty." In fact, he wasn't. He was born in Oxford and was raised in an upper class area to a research biologist as a father and a political activist as a mother. I'm not saying that people that are born in middle class and lower class residences aren't capable of doing good for society. It just is not likely. Especially if they are of a minority class such as Latino or Black.

The fact is that if a woman wants an abortion, the child is not her main priority, the born child will pick this up and the child will grow up more likely to commit crimes and felonies. Most gang members and criminals were either in adoption agencies or were unwanted children or considered "mistakes" by thier parents. I live in Brooklyn, New York and I have had friends who were members of criminal organizations. Almost all of them (and when I say almost I mean 2 or 3 out of like 20 or 30 said no) have said that their parents did not want them or that they were "mistakes." The point is that it is rare to find a gifted child in the world. The chances of a person's son or daughter being gifted in a specific field is not very likely. Those chances grow even slimmer when you add on improper living conditions, poor environments and the notion that they were "accidents" or unwanted.

I also forgot to add this little bit. Murder is a crime that should be punished. It is. If you put a gun to a person's head, pull the trigger and he dies, then it's a murder. Being exact it's a first degree murder. First degree murder is punishable, in most states, by a 25 to life sentence. Now, seeing as how nobody accidentally falls onto a gurney and accidentally gets an abortion, by what the pro-life standards are saying it is to be punished the same as first degree murder. Noted and granted. I respect that decision and assessment. Now I don't know about you all but I can't look into the eyes of a 16 year old girl who's gotten pregnant and had an abortion, possibly suffering from psychological trauma or emotional stress, and tell her that she now has to suffer a 25 to life year sentence for first degree murder. Above that fact, the possibility of rape. Now that's the last thing I want to do. I couldn't bring myself to look into a rape victims eyes and force her to have the child or go to prison. I would commit suicide over having to break someone's heart or spirit like that. I don't know though, maybe I'm just too heartfelt. Maybe if you can bring yourselves down to that level you can tell a rape victim that but I'm just way too human to do something like that

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In my opinion, who the future child could be specifically isn't all that important except in the general sense because most likely, s/he will be normal. Not brilliant, not a president, but not insanely evil either. (I notice with amusement how much longer your list of mothers who should have aborted is then the one of mothers who shouldn't have.)

You're stereotyping, that mostly latino and blacks get abortions, or that all orphans/foster children become gangsters.

I agree, odds are reasonable that the child will become a middle class worker. Is there something wrong with this? Middle class workers contribute to society insofar as they are able to feed and shelter themselves and maybe even a family. By having an income that covers their living expenses, you can see that society values their contribution in the form of money.

When you say that a lot of gang members were orphans or neglected by parents, it's probably true. However, while many gang members may be orphans (or the like), it doesn't mean that many orphans become gang members.

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Well personally I feel that abortion is wrong. But, I am pro choice. The reason for saying this is because if it's a rape case for example. I can understand the girl not wanting it. But even at that, you can always go for adoption. But, I know that if a teen gets pregnant they should take the child and give birth to it. They brought it to this earth and I feel that they should take that responsibility. I'm 15 and if  I get pregnant as a teen, I will have that child and do my very best to try and take care of it. I believe that if you're having sex without protection and sometimes with, you need to know the consequences and accept them.

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If abortion is right, then think about it. Are u glad that u'r Mom didn't abort u? How would u like it?

I am glad my mother didn't abort me, but my opinion is a non-sequiter (I know I spelled that wrong) as were I aborted, I would not have an opinion.

What if George Washington was aborted? What if guy who discovered germs was aborted?

What if Hitler were aborted? What if Stalin were aborted? Sure, when getting an abortion, you have a chance of aborting a president of the U.S., but you have a much higher chance of aborting a future criminal.

Zygotes are not people. They are human, but not people (much in the same way that my finger is human, but not a person). They are not conscious, they do not think or feel. In fact, they hold an interesting similarity to human brain-dead vegetables. Terminating someone who is brain-dead and on life support in the hospital is much like terminating an early pregnancy; the only thing that is different is the reason it is done.

For those who say that the difference is the potential of life: there are a lot of potential lives to be born from a single male ejaculation. Each sperm, could in theory be another human baby (when paired with an egg, of course).

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This is a clear example of bad thinking.


What if we make rape mandatory by law? There would be more unwanted pregnancies, and then lots of unwanted children.

Next step: Let's ask those children if they're glad that there's mandatory rape.

Their being glad that they exist makes rape right. Right?



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Quote from brutus2001x at 8:15 PM on March 17, 2008 :
Well, conveniently you wouldn't know if you would have been here, had your parents aborted you.

The moral arguments aside, abortion is legal, and shall remain legal.  If you don't like them, don't have one.


And if you don't like slavery, don't have a slave.





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You know we often have debates about topics like these ...but why?
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The reason there seems to be so many unanswered questions in this world is because we simply refuse to see things as God/Jesus made them. if we followed gods laws..life wouldnt seem like so much of a mystery.


ABORTION for example: i dont get why so many people have a hard time understanding this topic: if you as a person who is reading and writting in these forums is made up of a bunch of dividing cells (and a spirit) and you are considered living, what makes you think that a bunch of dividing cells in a mothers womb is not living??

God made our bodies highly efficient: if one wants to have a child the male sperm cell must find the female egg cell. once the sperm hits,touches,scarpes the egg cell, the egg is living. the only reason why we have a problem with this is because we as humans naturally want to find a reason to justify what we have done wrong.

If you have had an abortion you have killed a persons physical body that houses a spirit-meaning you have killed a living thing. i dont understand how people can think that a egg *cell*(a cell which is a living thing) and a sperm*cell*(a cell which is a living thing) can come together and get in return somthing non living or dead. god created this whole process so that may produce life,

He's allowed us to breath and has given us a efficient,amazing out side physical body so that the spiritual aspect of us can live and on top of all of that saved us from burning in hell...all he ask now is that we  live for him and follow his word..but like people we often deviate from his word..thats why its no surprise that abortion happens.

People need to know that every one makes mistakes..its natural,however its learing from the mistakes or occurences -rape - that allow us to be better people.

for RAPED victums , me personally being one, i say keep your children. unless god allow that child to die (and thats when we should practice research ,when god gives us the means to do so like a miscarriage) he has a plan for it ,just like he has a plan for you
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Quote from The_Wizard at 7:17 PM on November 18, 2007 :
God aborts... they're called miscarriages.

If abortion is right, then think about it. Are u glad that u'r Mom didn't abort u? How would u like it?

The stupidity of the question is astounding. If I was aborted I could care less since I would not feel after the fact.


Fuckin exactly hahahaha





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If it were me I would be upset if my Mother aborted me when I felt it. Otherwise, I wouldn't notice.
 


Posts: 20 | Posted: 11:02 PM on January 17, 2013 | IP
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If it were me I wouldn't care if I couldn't feel it.
 


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Also, my Mom could have aborted me for self defense.
 


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