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this town..
did i specifically mention you? if you haven't, I wasn't talking about you. sorry.

ok, let me try this:

God is love
Love is blind
Ray Charles is blind
Therefore, Ray Charles is God

obviously logically flawed. this is a classic logical flaw, equal to the following:
Humans are mammals
Dogs are mammals
Dogs are humans

uh-uh...
Ray Charles and God may share the same attribute or fall into the same category and not be the same thing.
see...logic can be used for everything.
I just want to know what other ways you guys debate? in a debate competition in a college or high school, how many points would you get for using a Biblical quotation for defending a pro-life stance or an anti-gay rights stance? as much as you would citinf scienfitic evidence or using logical deduction? i don't think so. this is a debate forum. should our standards be different here?


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I don't like organized debate.  I personally don't see this as a debate forum, I see it as the presentation and defence of opinion.  While I agree that to use religion in an argument with atheists is stupid, but a lot of times I am talking to other Christians, so it does become relevant.  "Debate" is to rigid.


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"hmmm...so it's better to put down peoples' posts by saying that their arguments are really just derived from an inability to have normal male relationships????"

I don't really understand your "problem" with this.  Are you saying that my above mentioned post isn't LOGICAL enough?  Too "spiritual?"  What?

I think that saying that gay people are gay because of "an inability to have normal male relationships" is a logical argument.  Does it not fall under psychology?

Alex, maybe I was too hard on you saying that you use LOGIC too much.  But you just come across to me as a "robot," driven by nothing more than data, facts, numbers, etc...


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Reality, the external world, exists independent of man’s consciousness, independent of any observer’s knowledge, beliefs, feelings, desires or fears. This means that A is A, that facts are facts, and the task of man’s consciousness is to perceive reality, not to create or invent it.

To be a complete person you have to consider much more then "just the facts" - to deny this would deny the objective truth of humanity. However when it comes to debate, or to intellectual discourse there is NO room for feelings.

To put things blunty Hooyah nobody cares about what you think or feel in terms of resolving a debate. Its good that you think that gay people are gay because of "an inability to have normal male relationships" is a logical argument. Its not and here is why.

Where is the sentence about lesbians being lesbian because of their inability to have normal male relationships. Logically both men and women cannot have same pathology for their homosexuality or it would manifest the same way. (ie - gay men like other men because of an inability to have normal relationships with men. gay women like other women for the same reason? Maybe they have normal relationships with men and thats WHY they like women?)

Continuing what would happen if one was raised among all women. There would be no possibility of normal male relationships, would this produce a gay man? And would he be gay if he could only have intimate relations with the women he was surrounded with?

A better question would be this - How can so many religious and spiritual leaders molest and stand to molest children? And if they are gay and its true that its because of their inability to have normal male relationships then how can they have one with jesus? And if jesus does not like ALL his children and thinks the gay is bad then why does he let them stay over in his house rent free and molest his faithful in his name?
 


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of course a point derived from psychology can be logical, but simply by virtue of being grounded in psychology does not necessarily make it logical. if you want to make a psychological argument, fine, but to be logical it must be backed up by something, and not just said in a baseless way. what is the basis for this statement: "gay people are gay because of 'an inability to have normal male relationships'"? if this is grounded in psychology, what is the psychological evidence to support it? the truth is, you have none. you just said it because it fits your vision that homosexuality as being not only abberant, but also a deficiency in some manner - in this case, a LACK of healthy male platonic companionship.


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Okay, noName:
ummm....register and we'll talk....

Alex: That statement is not baseless.  I've taken psychology in college and remember studying about theories of homosexual origin.  That is one theory:"an inability to form normal male relationships."

I could lecture you on it for hours, but would it do any good?  In the end you'd argue that its just a 'theory."

Anyway....are we still in the abortion forum?


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Posts: 110 | Posted: 11:20 PM on December 11, 2002 | IP
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i think u should respond to what the most recent guest said. he had good points. and he should register though.

now...you are selling me short as some biased wackjob desperate to defend homosexuality at any cost. i have never said anything to present myself as such. i am all for theory, but u shouldn't confuse theory with supposition. if there is this theory, and you've read it, cite some evidence for me. you don't have to lecture me for hours. give me a website (a non-religious website). theories are not just thoughts, they are based on things...they may not be perfect (in fact, they never are), but I would take to heart the possibility of a theory's accuracy if you could present some basis for it. another question for u is this...why does it seem, from the very first post on, that you already have wholeheartedly accepted this theory over others? why not genes? did u read about the twin tests in your book in college? what about the differences in brains? did u read about the recent gay sheep study? my point is, all these theories have some merit, and probably the truth is a mix of some of them, but in the end, none of them point to anything immoral about homosexuality.


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Quote from FreedomFighter13 at 12:54 PM on November 11, 2002 :
Quote from Exxoss at 4:06 PM on September 24, 2002 :
Yes.  You should only get an abortion within the first week.  Otherwise, your screwed, so shut up and get an adoption!  You should be allowed to kill a living thing thaqt is inside you and already began developing majorly.

You are a loser and need to get help crack smoking idiot. Youre a disgrace to the human race! Burn in hell!! Love Kathryn!






thqat was immature, you see, this is what makes u unworthy in the eyes of god, good thing i dont believe in god. i believe that once the baby or fetus is self aware which is an estimation of the start of the third week, than ur screwed, u should have used protection, and locagirl, im sorry that u were raped.
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Quote from AlexanderTheGreat at 8:51 PM on December 7, 2002 :
clever touch there, including, "He/she will be gay or straight". Do you think I am that superficial that I will be brown nosed into changing my mind about something?
again, your post was nice and warm and fuzzy, but without much else to it.
why is life a right everyone should have?
this is a question I posed a long time ago, and NO ONE could answer it. NO ONE.
this is a debate forum, so people should have a meatier answer than, "well, dude, cause, you know, like, totally, we should all live and let live man."



ill answer it, to an extent. ok here goes, not everything is deemed worthy of having life, those that are often dead deserved life, but didnt at the same, there is no way we could have ever known  if it was a horrible person like hitler, and let me ask you this, how many of you, had you of known what hitler as still a small fetus would have done when he grew up? would you have had his mother get an abortion?
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that was stupid


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i'll get slammed for this, but no xenjael.  i wouldn't have had hitler's mother get an abortion.  


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When the sperm attaches to the egg that is a living thing. If the mother didn't want the baby then she shouldn't have sex. I know that and I'm 14! I study things like this.


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well this kind of has to go with this idea, no offense to the christians that hate human cloning, what do you think christians that dislike cloning would say if we cloned jesus?
oh and dave, ur not gunna get slammed it was your idea, and how could have hitlers mother ever have known what a monster her child would have become
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"I know that and I'm 14! " Saying that you're fourteen probably isn't gonna make people pay more attention.
 



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Oh, and my teacher once told me he went to this camp when he was a kid where they talked about political things. He had to go to a meeting thing and they played a tape of an abotion, just played a tape, and it was awful. It sounded like a sucking noise and in the middle of the process (which the mother is under anestesia) the mother started screaming still out cold. At the end about 6 people puked and one girl all of the sudden fell on the ground with her arms around her stomach and started Balling. After it was over my teacher went and asked her what was wrong and she said that her mother was tryed to talk into getting an abortion. So you se it DOES effect lives more than people think about it. Plus someone told my mom when she was pregnant with me that I was probably going to be retarded because of her blood pressure and the doctor tried to talk her into it if I turned out to be. She said no and I turned out to be normal. When my mom told me that I felt like I was terying to be murdered and it made me insecure for weeks.


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I would imagine that most of the Christians that are against cloning would be outraged beyond words if you cloned Jesus.  At least I would be.


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how could we clone Jesus anyway? we're not sure that the shroud of turin is genuine


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if it would prevent the Holocaust, I would have put a bullet in the brain of Hitler's mom. I'm not saying it would be justified, just necessary. those aren't necessarily synonymous.


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yes,but alexander, there is no way she could have known, i wouldnt do it
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who cares if she is innocent or not? that's not what is important. one innocent life to save millions. it may not be a choice that will leave you sleeping well afterwards, but your sleep is nothing compared to the benefit to the world.


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well of course anyone would have done anything they could to have stopped hitler from being born, but it is a pointless debate because it would have been impossible to know how destructive he would be anyway


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i am a liberal chrisitian and proud of it!!!

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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 12:27 AM on December 15, 2002 :
how could we clone Jesus anyway? we're not sure that the shroud of turin is genuine


Of course it's genuine. It's those evil evolutionary scientists who are telling us it doesn't date right. We need some creationist dating methods ASAP. Someone check the bible for the age of the shroud...


 


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Beavis, I swear, you confuse me more and more with every one of your posts.
One time your all for evolution; the next, creation.  Where do you stand, man?

To "the guest": Please look up the word "hypothetical" in the dictionary, and then register if you still want to debate in here.

Now the cloning Jesus thing is pretty interesting.  Would the "clone" also be the Son of God?


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hooyah, you should know sarcasm when you hear it


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Why would anybody want to clone Jesus? We only need one.  One Son of God to do the work of dying on the cross for our sins. One man to feed the 5 thousands. Plus it is against God's will to clone. HE makes life NOT MAN makes life.  Also we're having a problem keeping our babies alive thanks to abortion. Why would we put more babies out there for them to murder and call it  "PEOPLES RIGHTS."


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Hmmmm...

Yes, perhaps we do need some Creationist dating methods.


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Whether the "shroud of turin" is truly His garment or not is by all means irrelavent for anything other than personal interest purposes. Your "sick in the dome" if you think we would get anything other than the priests DNA. Plus, regardless, it was God who anointed Jesus of Nazereth (Acts 10:38). No man can mess around with our Creator's power,  not even in the twenty-first century.  

Anyway, it is sick that we have legalized murder.  The main difference between killing me and that baby is that I have sinned, the baby is yet to even make a mistake. The baby is still completely pure of heart. I pray that Jesus will come quickly!
 


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2 questions for pro-life people:

first: many of u have equated abortion with murder. i distinctly remember fallingupwards saying I personally condone the murder of babies. so, if this is how u truly feel, why aren't u PERSONALLY storming into abortion clinics, shooting your way through, maybe forming an armed insurrectrion against the federal govt, or something equally radical to end what must be in your mind a huge state-sanctioned holocaust of babies???? if i walked down the street and passed a building every day where i knew people were lining up 2 year old infants against the wall and plugging a bullet into their heads EVERYDAY, I wouldn't hesitate to use violence to stop it. how do u explain your passive acceptance of mass murder?

second: for religious people. do you believe God wants as many human souls to enter Heaven as possible? i assume the answer is yes. do you believe the soul of a fetus is pure and innocent, or at least moreso than the average 40 year old human? i assume the answer is yes again. correct me when i am wrong. do you agree then, that the best way to ensure more people enter heaven is to kill humans when they are still fetuses? maybe you will go to heaven for this awful deed, but if you are truly altruistic, wouldn't that be a worthwhile self-sacrifice to send thousands of souls to Heaven, many of which inevitably would have become sinners and gone to Hell (you may argue that we can't be sure how many would sin, but we can safely assume there would be SOME)? in fact, the best thing  mother can do for her fetus is to abort it. losing out on 76 years average lifespan is nothing compared to being ensured eternal bliss and avoiding eternal torturte.


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why aren't u PERSONALLY storming into abortion clinics, shooting your way through, maybe forming an armed insurrectrion against the federal govt, or something equally radical to end what must be in your mind a huge state-sanctioned holocaust of babies????

Because it wouldn't be right to do that.  So since some of you don't think we should go to war because it would kill innocent people, yall should do the same thing to the white house.


do you agree then, that the best way to ensure more people enter heaven is to kill humans when they are still fetuses?


That is a childish question. No, God wants us to want Him on our own time. Even if that means growing up, becoming a drug addict then turning to Him, or not turning to Him. He didn't make us robots,He gave us a choice. By killing that innocent baby you are taking his/hers rights away. Plus that baby might actually become a missionary, and get thousands saved.


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God gives life, and only God has the right to take it.
 


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Stop Hitler from being born? Maybe we should of just let him into the art school... Hmm... does anyone know if the administration of that school were Jewish or something? We know that was the turning point in his life, maybe it also caused his hate for Jews... I'm going to go try and find out...


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To thhe pro-lifer's who argue that by getting an abortion we are murdering a child:

Why do you waste your time splitting hairs on whether the baby is alive or not? Shouldn't the quality of the baby's life be important too? Imagine:
You are the fetus of a mother who wants to get and abortion. You have a few choices:
a) You can not be aborted and kept, never feel loved or wanted on top of probably being malnourished, etc. by a mother who doesn't care, then kicked out of the house when you turn 18
b)still not be aborted but put up for adoption in an overcrowed adoption system and spend most of your life unloved and going from foster home to foster home
c) not be aborted and left in a dupster to die or something to that effect
d) be aborted and never go through that.

If a mother wants to have an abortion, it usually means she isn't ready for the child (including those that are raped). If you aren't ready, you can't give the baby all your love. Alos, mothers who don't want their children are less likely to take care of them prenatally, so they can often end up being screwed up right from the start. Plus, making abortion illegal won't stop people from getting abortions, it will just make it more dangeroud for the mother.
 


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Hmmm...let's see. You are the fetus of a mother who wants an abortion. You have a few choices:

a.) You can suffocate to death from salt burning your lungs.
b.) You can have each limb cut off and then have your head chopped off.
c.) You can be pulled halfway out of your mother and then get your brains sucked out.
d.) You can never be aborted and either be adopted by a family who wants you (there are many loving families on waiting lists for adoption).

Wow, the choices are so difficult.


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I believe in Calligirl, I wouldnt want to be aborted. would you? I meant if your mom was poor, and couldnt take care of you so she would either get an abortion or give you up for adoption. I doubt you would honestly choose to be aborted.


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What if the birth of the child would mean the death of the mother?  It would be unfair and unjust for any other person than the mother to decide who would live and who would die.  

Don't tell me this doesn't happen because I've known people who have had this problem.
 


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Now that is A LITTLE different. Depends on how much danger she is in. In reality pregnancy is dangerous all together. Those who are in grave danger, only in the 1st trimester. GRAVE DANGER


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I think abortion should be illegal.  The ability to kill an innocent child should not be allowed simply because someone made a mistake and didn't want to face the consequences.  If perhaps and individual may find themselves in this perdicament, they should contact thier local adoption agency instead of getting an abortion.  
 


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stupid republicans....
 


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Would you like to back that statement up or just say it and run?


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First of all I am a Republican and I am Pro-choice.  Don't classify based on assumptions.

Second, How can you judge and say that all people who have abortions have them because of their own fault.  What about rape, hell what about incest rape.  You don't know all of the possible situations so how can you possibly judge what all should do.
 


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The statistics show that less than 1% of women who are raped get pregnant. Those who do shouldn't go kill the baby, she should give it up for adoption. Oh, and some of that 1% keeps the child or gives it up for adoption.


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Posts: 157 | Posted: 10:17 AM on February 8, 2003 | IP
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I don't care if it is only 1%.  If making abortion illegal hurts one woman, who is blame free but now is forced to have a child who'd be a constant reminder of a terrible wrong perpetrated on her and would wrongly turn her life around even if she did give it up to adoption,  then that law is a violation of civil liberties and an invasion of privacy.  Who are you to judge how she should live her life when this thing isn't her fault.  Why should you have the right to decide whether this woman should be allowed to have her life back.  It's irelevant what some woman do when fronted by this situation, because it's wrong to hamper the rights of all because some do something differently.


 


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Abortion is good because it helps people get rid of other people.
 


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Abortion is good because it helps people get rid of other people.
 


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Abortion is wrong. If you  feel you are responable enough to make a baby, then you should be responsable enough to take care of a baby.
You can always just put it up for adoption.

 


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I am a believer in pro-choice. Many years ago my mother had an abortion due to the fact that the fetus would have killed her. If she didn't I would not be here today. I agree that abortion should not be used as a form of birthcontrol but it is very nessecary. There are way too many children born to drug addicts and to parents who don't want their children as it is. Also to have a child you most also be physically, finicancally, and emotionally available for that baby. If not to decision to abort is completely supported by me. That just goes into a friend of mine who has a beautiful baby boy and shortly after got pregnant again. This time she found out it was 99% chance for the unborn baby to be mentally ill and underdeveloped. She decided to have an abortion. She felt how could she give her healthy son the attention he deserved if she was not available to him. I was there to support her decision and I probly would have done the same. This is a hard subject for every one and most people go through alot when they come to the decision to abort it is just that hand full of people that have gotten it confuse with birth control that makes so many enraged. I hope I may have shed a little light on those so angry as to why it may be of importance to women.
 


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First off id like to start with the question why havent we cured aids? Well maybe that person was aborted! Why dont we ask the babies that were killed what they think about abortion o wait we cant they were innocently killed. About your story about your freind who had an abortion because of the 99% chance of the baby being mentally retarded. Well i know an 18 yr old kid who had the same statistics of being metally retarded. But because of his mothers faith in God and believe in life he is one of the most amazin kids and one of the best trumpet players in collage right now.  On the other hand i know a family who had the same statistics  and their boy came out with autism. Yet he still seems to bless the family. THeir whole family has matured and learned patience and have blessed their son and help him learn daily task every day. Yes it may be hard but it is a blessing. For god formed us all in our mothers womb there for killing a baby "fetus" is killing gods child. Juss no different if i killed you i would be killing gods child which he loves veery much and  sacrificedhis son for u and me. Even though there are babies mborn to crack heads and given up for adoption theres millions of unfertile humans searching for kids of their own to love so why not give the baby "fetus" a chance to live who knows what the world would be like!


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Also one more point if i rob a store im convicted and put in jail right? IM forced to take responcibility! So if two people have sex concieve a baby they should take responisibilty for their actions and have the kid let it live!!!1


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Having an abortion is a woman or girl's choice.
What if she is 13 years old and was raped?
Or what if it was a complete mistake and the mother is single, has hardly no money, not much family support, and has been drinking the past three months because she didn't know she was pregnant? If she has the baby it will most likely have Fetal Alchohol Syndrome, it could be mentally retarded, or have one of many other disabilities or birth defects. Because of the child's problems, and the mother's economic status, the child will completely change everyone around his or her life. He will require special care, which will probably not be able to be provided, because the mother will be working two jobs so they can have food. Where is the father? Unkown or in the bar.
People that have abortions do not have them to be cruel. They love their child. But they know that the best thing for it is not to be born. Because if it was born it would either not survive, or not get the life that it deserves.
It is a right.
 


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so let me get this straight. its ilegal for me to go to the  hospital and kill my babie, but if i do it to a diffrent cupple i can get payed for it! thats just wrong.

(Edited by justinsane 5/3/2004 at 6:45 PM).


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