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Mandy_Jane

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Hi everyone.  My name is Mandy and I would like to put a link here to my new pro-life website.  I have spent a long time working on it and I am very proud of it.  Please do not feel that you have to click on the link.  I only want people who are interested in seeing it to click on it.  www.prolifenet.com
I even have a forum with all kinds of topics including abortion.  I do not have any members yet so anyone that would like to go there and post messages, please feel free to do so.  If anyone does look at my page, could you post a message and let me know what you think of it?  Thank You.



(Edited by Mandy_Jane 2/11/2003 at 01:42 AM).


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Posts: 4 | Posted: 01:40 AM on February 11, 2003 | IP
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        I am very pro-life, and as a Christian I cannot stand that horrid wickedness of the murder of the innocent. I also am under command to, while not being nieve, think about whatsoever things are pure (Philippians 4:8). I stopped by your site, and am encouraged by your pro-life veiwpoint, but could not stay due to the graphic nature of that sick slaughter of the innocent.
                      In Christ,
                                  Benjamin
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 2:01 PM on February 11, 2003 | IP
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Obviously, you "as a christian"  feel it is also right to pass judgement on others whom you never met and whose circumstances you couldn't either know or understand.

I too am a christian, but I'm more a believer of what the bible says about NOT judging.
 


Posts: 20 | Posted: 5:53 PM on February 11, 2003 | IP
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By the way

Let He who is without sin cast the first stone.

Remember all sins are equal in gods eyes
 


Posts: 20 | Posted: 6:02 PM on February 11, 2003 | IP
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That's hogwash.. There is plenty in the  Bible to point out that God recognizes as any reasonable man would that all sins are not treated equally. Deathbed, hahoo - I'm saved repentance is largly a lie some Christeans delude themselves with to justify a continued life of deliberate sin.  Some like to forget Jesus' injuction to the adultress - Go and Sin no more!

Furthermore, He told us to be wise as serpents and judge wisely when we are called upon. That's what many of us did Nov 2.  We also make laws to help constrain those who do not follow Gods will naturally.  Making laws about murder, abortion, stealing etc does not violate His advice which was almost entirely about interpersonal relationships.


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Posts: 2 | Posted: 03:43 AM on December 5, 2004 | IP
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Not to mention that the Bible does not condemn abortion.

Great site MJ - I especially liked the lies about saline abortions. Hilarious.


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Posts: 21 | Posted: 1:19 PM on December 5, 2004 | IP
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The only reason why abortion is not metioned in the bible, is because abortion as we know it, didn't really exist back then.
 


Posts: 60 | Posted: 04:55 AM on January 9, 2005 | IP
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I'm a christian too,  and I try to avoid judging others, but I don't think murder should be legal.  Having a law protecting the most vulnerable members of our society is not 'judging.' I have a site to, actually.  It is a site with a huge selection of quotes and first hand stories from current and former abortion doctors and clinic workers.  They give the 'inside story' of what happens in abortion clinics. The site is at Abortion Quotes

Here are a few of the quotes so you can get an idea why I feel abortion is murder.
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"After an abortion, the doctor must inspect these remains to make sure that all the fetal parts and placenta have been removed. Any tissue left inside the uterus can start an infection. Dr. Bours squeezed the contents of the sock into a shallow dish and poked around with his finger. "You can see a teeny tiny hand' he said.

--abortion clinic worker quoted in "Is the Fetus Human?" and in Dudley Clendinen, "The Abortion Conflict: What it Does to One Doctor" New York Times Magazine Aug 11 1985 p 26
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In the book "Abortion: Debating the Issue" (New York:Enslow Publishing, Inc., 1995) Nancy Day quotes abortionist Dr. Ed Jones, who had worked at a Planned Parenthood Clinic for 4 years at the time of the interview, saying the following:

"This can burn you out very, very quickly...not so much by the physical labor as the emotional part of what's going on. When you do an ultraound, particularly if you have children, and you see a fetus there, kicking, moving, living, doing things that your own child does, bringing it's thumb to its mouth, and things like that- it's difficult. Then, after the procedure, sometimes we have to actually look at the specimen, and you see arms and legs and things like that torn off...It does take an emotional toll."
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"Nobody wants to perform abortions after ten weeks, because by then you see the features of the baby, hands, feet. It's really barbaric."
--abortionist quoted in M.D. Doctors Talk About Themselves by John Pekkanen p 93
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"In testimony Wednesday in St. Louis Circuit Court, [abortionist] Crist said that it is not uncommon for second-trimester fetuses to leave the womb feet-first, intact and with their hearts still beating. He sometimes crushes their skulls to get the fetuses out. Other times, he dismembers them."

Direct quote from author (Jo Mannies, "Abortion Doctor Gives Graphic testimony Describing Abortion Procedure," St. Louis Post-Dispatch, May 25, 2000.)
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"No one, neither the patient receiving an abortion, nor the person doing the abortion, is ever, at anytime, unaware that they are ending a life..."
--Abortion provider William F Harrison, MD, FACOG, from the essay "Why I Provide Abortions" 1996.
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From "Abortion at Work: Ideology and Practice in a Feminist Clinic" by Wendy Simonds. New Brunswick: Rutgers University Press, 1996 - this is a pro-choice book that condemns 'anti-choicers'  but includes a chapter about how clinic workers reacted to dealing with abortion 'tissue' Here are some quotes:

"It's just- I mean it looks like a baby. It looks like a baby. And especially if you get one that comes out, that's not piecemeal. And you know, I saw this one, and it had its fingers in its mouth...it makes me really sad that that had to happen, you know, but it doesn't change my mind. It's just hard. And it makes me just sort of stop and feel sad about it, the whole necessity of it. And also....it's very warm when it comes into the sterile room because it's been in the mother's stomach. It feels like flesh, you know..."

"It's going to be weird now because you're going to see the sono. You're going to see the heart beating- little hearts, you know- and then, all of a sudden, you're going to put his cardiac medicine in it to make it stop- to kill it. So you're going to see the exact moment when you kill the fetus. I won't kill it, the doctor will kill it...and, I mean, it might be more humane...[if] the fetuses do feel something, why not kill it, you know, fast, [rather] than rip its leg off?"

"I feel some sadness [about abortions] and I think part of the problem is that we don't talk about that...we don't talk about it as much as we think about it...somehow your pro-choice stance is compromised by saying the word "baby."...We don't allow ourselves to say or think that word...."

"At nine weeks...you start seeing fetal parts. And by the second trimester it's, you know, it's a baby, and by eighteen weeks it's definitely a baby. And by like, you know, twenty-two weeks, you go in and you watch someone do a sonogram, and you're like, "Oh my." There it is just moving, moving around. And it's really hard because I always thought of abortion in terms of just the woman, just her body."



"So by it looking like a baby, you're associating it with yourself because...you used to be a baby, you used to be a fetus."

"...when you're, you know, putting a fetus's feet in over its head in a baggie, there's just this brief moment of "This could have been me," which I fundamentally believe is okay. She should have the right to choose..."

"...it looks like a baby, That's what it looks like to me. You've never seen anything else that looks like that. The only other thing you've ever seen is a baby...You can see a face and hands, and ears and eyes and, you know...feet and toes...It bothered me real bad the first time..."

"I think the tough part was seeing actual pieces of fetus being removed..And in the beginning, yes, I remember looking, standing behind this woman's shoulder [as she performed an early second- trimester-abortion] and thinking, "I can't do this...There's something emotionally upsetting about this..Features are discernible; you can count five fingers on a hand and five toes on a foot. You know, all the organ systems are formed. You know, you can see ears as structures, and the nose and eyes as structures...I have gotten to the point now that because I've been doing this work five months, four months, I look at it a little differently. I don't see the same things that I did. And, honestly, when I sit down to do one of these now, I am watching to be sure that I'm getting everything that I need to get. It's 'Do I have two lower extremities? Do I have two upper extremities? Is t here a spine? ...and the skull?...It does become a bit routine after a while. I don't fear it."

"I hate it when people put it together to look like a baby. I hate that...I don't want to look like it when its like that because it's like a broken doll, and that grosses me out."

From the author: "Many health workers told me they 'never look at the face' when processing tissue."
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If you are a christian, and you get to heaven, will you be able to look at the faces of all the millions of aborted babies there and tell them you supported legally killing them?  Do you think Jesus would support this killing?



















 


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