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abortion: ab ovo usque ad mala



When does life begin?

If it's life, hasn't it already begun?

If life doesn't begin at conception (the beginning) then when does it begin, at the end?  Why bother even calling it conception?

I guess it's just semantics.  It all depends on what the meaning of is is.

Talk about the theater of the absurd.   You'd think that people would have had enough of silly slogans.  


Not the church, not the state, women will decide they're fat?


Well, I support a woman's right to chew.   I am both pro-life and prime choice ...

This debate is not just between Operation Rescue and NARAL.  There is a third party here.  There's a no voice movement in this country. And their numbers -- though not their bodies -- are growing.  They want to be heard ... but  can't for obvious reasons.


NO VOICE



(PS: Does anyone know the latin word for "duct"?)


 


Posts: 2 | Posted: 3:26 PM on March 27, 2003 | IP
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women have the right to have an abortion if they would like it is the right of the woman and her body. But a woman should get an abortion before the child is not yet alive so technically the child is not being murdered or killed whichever way you think about it.


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Posts: 0 | Posted: 1:46 PM on April 1, 2003 | IP
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Define "not yet alive" a little more clearly...

You do know that a long time ago you weren't alive either...what if your mother wanted an abortion but then decided against it? What would you think? Would you have wanted to have been aborted?
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 9:00 PM on September 9, 2003 | IP
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A human fetus is not a part of the mother's body.  Every cell in a person's body contains an exact copy of their DNA code.  However, a fetus has its own DNA, not it's mother's.  It is not just a growth or a body part that can be removed without harming anyone.  It is a separate human being with it's own DNA, bloodtype, heartbeat, and eventually thoughts.


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Did you know?
-4,000 babies are aborted every DAY in the U.S.
-Over 40,000,000 babies have been aborted since abortion was made legal in 1973.
-Abortion is legal in the U.S. at any point during the 9 months of pregnency, and for any reason.
 


Posts: 8 | Posted: 10:33 PM on September 8, 2004 | IP
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Quote from ThePunkyPickle at 10:33 PM on September 8, 2004 :
A human fetus is not a part of the mother's body. Every cell in a person's body contains an exact copy of their DNA code.  However, a fetus has its own DNA, not it's mother's.


And identical twins have the same DNA, so they must be the same person.

Quote from ThePunkyPickle at 10:33 PM on September 8, 2004 :
 It is not just a growth or a body part that can be removed without harming anyone.  It is a separate human being with it's own DNA,


Define how you're using seperate here.

Oh and by the way, abortion is NOT legal for any reason in the whole 9 months of pregnancy. After 24 weeks it's only legal for health reasons (eg fetal abnormalities, life of the mother). Please amend your signature as it's untrue.



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Posts: 21 | Posted: 10:14 AM on September 9, 2004 | IP
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Having the same DNA as another person, such as a twin or theoretically a clone, does not make them the same person.  However, having different DNA than another person does make them two different individuals.  

By "separate," I mean that the fetus is a different individual person, not a part of the mother.

In regards to the fact in my signature, abortion is in fact legal through out all stages of pregnancy and for any reason because of a case called Doe v. Bolton, which occured the same day as Roe v. Wade.  Doe v. Bolton defined "health of the mother" to include emotional, psychological, and familial health.  Because of this loose definition of health, it is possible for any woman to obtain an abortion at any point in her pregnancy, for any reason, not just for life of the mother.  My signature will remain the way it is.

I got this information from http://www.all.org/abort.htm


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Did you know?
-4,000 babies are aborted every DAY in the U.S.
-Over 40,000,000 babies have been aborted since abortion was made legal in 1973.
-Abortion is legal in the U.S. at any point during the 9 months of pregnency, and for any reason.
 


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Quote from ThePunkyPickle at 5:27 PM on September 9, 2004 :
Having the same DNA as another person, such as a twin or theoretically a clone, does not make them the same person.  However, having different DNA than another person does make them two different individuals.  


This doesn't make sense. You say:
1) Having different DNA makes you different but
2) if you have the same DNA you are still different.

Quote from ThePunkyPickle at 5:27 PM on September 9, 2004 :
By "separate," I mean that the fetus is a different individual person, not a part of the mother.


So you've jumped from "seperate" to "person" here. Please prove that the fetus is a person.

Quote from ThePunkyPickle at 5:27 PM on September 9, 2004 :
In regards to the fact in my signature, abortion is in fact legal through out all stages of pregnancy and for any reason because of a case called Doe v. Bolton etc


Please show me three cases where a woman has obtained a third trimester abortion for non-health related reasons.

Quote from ThePunkyPickle at 5:27 PM on September 9, 2004 :
I got this information from http://www.all.org/abort.htm


There are lies on both pro-life and pro-choice sides. I advise you to stick to independent sites.



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