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Some people may believe in killing babies (abortion) just because of sex selection. Others believe you should only do it under the right circumstances like rape or risk of life.

Please if you have any insight on this topic please reply to my message.
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Posts: 1 | Posted: 7:09 PM on October 16, 2002 | IP
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isnt this why we have all the other abortion fourms? I fail to see how this is different...
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 7:06 PM on October 17, 2002 | IP
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[b]Quote from prolifegrl62
Some people may believe in killing babies (abortion)


Also, that is somewhat stacked language, no?





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Posts: 789 | Posted: 8:16 PM on October 17, 2002 | IP
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I think its colorful, not to mention honest.  How would you describe the brutal butchering of innocent children(aka abortion) Dsa?


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Posts: 293 | Posted: 8:43 PM on October 17, 2002 | IP
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I know this is kinda off the subject:

When I was 14, I was raped and I got pregnant.  My mom told me to kill the baby. (she really said the "A-word", but I refuse to use that word because its not really anything but "killing a baby")  Anyways, I told her no.  And that I was going to have this baby, even though I was raped.  The baby did nothing wrong and therefore shouldn't have to suffer!!  So I had the baby and before I even saw her, I gave her up for adoption.  I never saw my baby, but I know that she is alive because of the choice I made.  And she could even be the first woman president, couldn't she??  
Besides, to every person that is pro-choice, you were born, weren't you??
yeah, thats what I thought.


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Posts: 41 | Posted: 01:48 AM on October 18, 2002 | IP
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Because of that choice you made, the child you let live will grow up being depresed knowing that he is adopted, and even maybe thinking he was not good enough for his mom.  Thanx to you, that cihld will grow up in  world where he is taunted every day, accused of being a fake child because of the fact he was adopted, or maybe he never will be adopted, but live the rest of his life in an orphanage.  (This is not my real side[except for the 'hateful world' thing], but for the sake of debate, i must put all this)
So basically, thanx to you, that child will live a depressing life hated by people who know him.  Thank you for giving us one more suicide statistic.


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Posts: 438 | Posted: 10:48 AM on October 31, 2002 | IP
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That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard period.  Do you ever get sad, depressed even?  Don't you wish that we would have killed you long ago so you wouldn't have to experience that pesky low spots along the lofty road we call life?


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Posts: 341 | Posted: 1:40 PM on October 31, 2002 | IP
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Yes... Are you happy?  I am freaking depressed, and if it werent for my damn blood clotting in my wrists, i, too, would be another suicide statistic.  And do you know why?  I'll give you a guess.


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Posts: 438 | Posted: 4:25 PM on November 1, 2002 | IP
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Because you have yet to know your creator


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Posts: 293 | Posted: 3:08 PM on November 2, 2002 | IP
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Because we weren't kind enough to go ahead and do it for you before you were born?  Come on...get real.  I'll tell you a secret that you're figure out as you get older, life is precious, even a crappy life, and when you turn forty and are settled down with a family (or maybe not) you'll look back and thank Mother Earth that your stupidity did not prevail.  
And even if I'm wrong, maybe you do want to die your entire life, you're the minority my man.  
I talked to a 40 yr old man with down syndrome at church today, lives with his mom who ties his shoes and helps him use the bathroom, but I envy him.  He's always, ALWAYS happy.  


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Posts: 341 | Posted: 11:00 PM on November 3, 2002 | IP
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i can not think of one time that a retarded person was ever messed with or juked out of his money in my town. Retarded people arent un happy bc they dont know what t is like to be normal so it isnt like they are missing something. they dont know any better and are exempt from many of the problems facing us normal people. They are always happy in a child like manner and live a happy life.


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Posts: 451 | Posted: 01:54 AM on November 4, 2002 | IP
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I think there are plenty of happy adopted people. adoption is a fine option (although the system still sucks and needs to be improved...hmmm, letting gays adopt might help...sorry my plug for homos everywhere). as for abortion, why not? the fetus is not aware right? doesn't feel anything right? it is like a random cell, right, except for the fact that one day it will be a fully functioning human being? so what harm is there? there is no pain, no change of mental/emotional status. it is like pulling the plug on someone in a coma. unless you believe in a soul, I don't see the point in opposing this. isn't sperm just another stage in life, or an egg, and those die out naturally all the time. why is this stage suddenly different?


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Posts: 292 | Posted: 11:41 PM on November 5, 2002 | IP
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A sperm and an egg are two completely different entities.  A sperm is just that, a sperm.  The same goes for an egg.  In the union a new, dynamic, genetically distinct human life begins, that is neither the sperm, nor the egg, nor the simple combination of both.  "Sperm" or "egg" is not just another stage of life.  Fetus, however is, no different than toddler or adolescent.  And it is anything but simple.   The newly fertilized egg contains a staggering genetic information, sufficient to control the individual’s growth and evelopment for an entire lifetime.  


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Posts: 341 | Posted: 07:46 AM on November 6, 2002 | IP
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i agree, thistownwilleatyou, but what is with "this lofty road we call life"?....besides that, good point.  Life begins at conception.  Moral and ethical considerations aside, which are not easily disassociated ftom this particular issue, when an abortion is practiced, the infant's life is terminated.  The fetus may not have survived beyond the second trimester, but that does not matter.  I also disagree that adopted children necessarily have miserable lives. My last girlfriend was adopted, and I have seen here persevere and draw strength from her past, not "misery".  Anyone who would kill themselves because of being adopted most likely suffers from a considerable chemical imbalance.  It is not fair to ascribe misery to the life of the adopted child; many childern life complete, positive lives with adopted families.

 


Posts: 4 | Posted: 10:22 AM on November 7, 2002 | IP
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Leave me alone.  It's Mary Sue's fault.


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Posts: 341 | Posted: 11:33 AM on November 7, 2002 | IP
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Because i am depressed...lol...simple...  The mere fact that i couldve been adopted, givin that i look completely different than my family, have different ideas and such, etc.  Because of that one little thing, i could be dead.  Because of ADOPTION.

And retarded people, they arent ever happy.  Or sad.  Or any other emotion, as far as anyone knows.  They are nothing; they do not understand emotions.  However, other people understand that they are different, and RETARDS. (no offense to any retards) THat is why they are socially unaccepted.  Perhaps they dont suicide, but still, they could be a hate crime statistic.


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Posts: 438 | Posted: 4:09 PM on November 8, 2002 | IP
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"Because of that choice you made, the child you let live will grow up being depresed knowing that he is adopted, and even maybe thinking he was not good enough for his mom.  Thanx to you, that cihld will grow up in  world where he is taunted every day, accused of being a fake child because of the fact he was adopted, or maybe he never will be adopted, but live the rest of his life in an orphanage.  (This is not my real side[except for the 'hateful world' thing], but for the sake of debate, i must put all this)"

Ohh jeez... too bad you wern't aborted- now for the rest of your life you're going to taunted for being the ugliest person alive. Your Logic is totally flawed. I am very proud at that 14-year-old girl, and I now will hold that as a story that will be with me for a long time. I think it is very skuzy that you are telling her that because she didn't abort the child, the kid will live suffering. Well, here's an example. I'm Catholic. Every day of my life, I'm taunted because of my religion. I'm called a terrorist and a child-molester. This has been going on for about 30 years- before I was born. My parents knew of this- should I have been aborted? Of course not. Your idea that a child will be taunted is false. Nobody is taunted for being adopted! Why would they be taunted? It doesn't happen. Don't make up lies and excuses to kill a kid.

I am also intreagued by your lack of intelligence and support. You claim that retards do not have feelings? Well you are very wrong there. Retards have very large emotions, which is their problem. They have too much emotion and not alot of logic. That's what mental retardation is, Exxoss. Now, there is a type of mental problem called vegetalianism- where the person is literally a vegetable. But nobody is born that way, because it is impossible to survive being born that way. Most people who have vegetalianism have it because they were in car accidents, or in a fire, etc. It's not from birth. To add, children who were born from rape almost never have disabilities- what, you think because what happened was wrong the baby is wrong? Of course not. Most are perfectly fine. Yes, there is adoption. Why would you want to make the mother suffer more pain, which is the pain of guilt that she has killed her child? It is awfull to thik such a thing!


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Posts: 49 | Posted: 12:45 AM on November 12, 2002 | IP
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Quote from prolifegrl62 at 7:09 PM on October 16, 2002 :
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Some people may believe in         babies (abortion) just because of     selection. Others believe you should only do it under the right circumstances like      or risk of life.

Please if you have any insight on this topic
please reply to my message.
Thanks

I think that there is medicine for life risking problems and you should not be jacking around in bed if you have life risking problems. For      you can give the baby up for adoption.     s don't dress skanky and maybe you won't have this problem!!!!




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Posts: 34 | Posted: 12:39 PM on November 13, 2002 | IP
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Well, these cases are extremly rare. In Judaism, if you don't have an abortion in that case, it's a sin- suicide. In Christianity, it's kind of split.

Think about this- if you have cancer for instance, you're going to die. 87% of cancer victims end in death. Why kill one life, if you're already going to die? To add to this, isn't the mother supposed to die for her childrne- to protect them? Now, again, in Judaism it's a sin. In Christianity, you're allowed to take medications that MAY OR MAY NOT KILL THE CHILD. But no abortion or abortive medications.


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Generally speaking, some believe mothers should die for their children-but what of the 15 year old scared mother who doesnt know what to do?  Die for her baby or live and not have a baby....  I do not know a single person who is a young teen and has died because they wanted to have a baby, because most are afraid of death.  If they find sheer enjoyment in things like reproduction they might think about losing everthing they like - not being able to see their friends, ect. in the afterlife.


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Generally speaking, some believe mothers should die for their children-but what of the 15 year old scared mother who doesnt know what to do?  Die for her baby or live and not have a baby....  I do not know a single person who is a young teen and has died because they wanted to have a baby, because most are afraid of death.  If they find sheer enjoyment in things like reproduction they might think about losing everthing they like - not being able to see their friends, ect. in the afterlife.


If for some reason she had to choose to live or kill her infant- born- by chopping off it's head and legs, what do you think she would choose? Suffer, by dying, or make the baby suffer brutally, and then suffer death?


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Posts: 49 | Posted: 5:05 PM on November 17, 2002 | IP
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Please remember that majority of unwanted babies are in teens rather than adults; most teens are afraid of death, therefore afraid to not abort the baby and end up in their own death.  Sure, adults think kids first, but kids cant think that way; they havent fully lived life and are afriad to lose it.


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Posts: 438 | Posted: 09:07 AM on November 18, 2002 | IP
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Acutally, only about 20% of abortions are from Teen prgnancies. Most are around ages 20-40 years old. My advice for these teens are- DON'T HAVE SEX! Simply put.




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Posts: 49 | Posted: 8:29 PM on December 20, 2002 | IP
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The poll on which I just voted asked the question "Aside from situations of risk or rape, do you believe that abortion should be legal?"  Aside from situations of risk or rape?  Abortion has been proven to be more dangerous than childbirth!  The biggest risk a pregnant woman could make with regards to this issue is to have an abortion!
Rape is wrong, and needs to be treated a whole lot more seriously than it's being treated right now, but, as I'm sure everyone reading this message has heard from their mothers time after time, "Two wrongs don't make a right"!  Is it right to murder an innocent child because you were raped?  Of course not!  You can't afford a child?  Go to one of the many crises pregnancy centers in our nation, they're there to help!  Let your child have a chance at life!  Your mother did!


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to Squirt,
   That is an abslutely powereful testimony. I was moved by your story, although actually quite blunt. You were right on with your decision to have the baby, "why should the baby pay?". Have you ever got your testimony out there? There are a lot of young ladies who need to hear that!
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Hi, I am 19 years old. I found out i was pregnant on December 8th. I have been going out with my boy friend for only 5 months, both him and i are unemployed. I never thought abortion would be such a hard decision. I have  always been Pro-Choice. But when I was faced with this problem  of my own i just couldnt bring my self to do this. Suddenly I began to think that there is a child in me. no matter how small. Once my mom found out she partically was trying to force me into having an abortion. my boyfriend wanted me very much to hvae an abortion as well. But still I could not bring myself to do it.
I have nothing againts abortions. I believe every woman has the right of her own body.
But if u are in my situation, Please do your research. KNOw all you options, Get information on abortion from both Pro Abortion and anti abortion sides, If U want to have your child, Find out if there is community help, such as Furniture and Toys and clothes Goverment funding. and also dont feel like u have to face any of this alone, there are lots of councelling  and help out there, find out all your options!!!!
 


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