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SHOULD A MINOR NEED PARENTAL CONSENT TO GET AN ABORTION ?

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Posts: 31 | Posted: 7:41 PM on April 29, 2002 | IP
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YES YES YES

definately yes

There would be so many less abortions if the parents were aware of the situation.  It is important for the parents consent to show that the situation has been properly handled at home.  A young girl may think that abortion is the only option because they are afraid of what their parents think.  If the child gets past that fear and openly discusses the situation and after they had time to think about ALL the options, then and only then can they come to a discision on wether an abortion is the right or wrong thing to do.


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You can imagine my surprise when I found out the church I was attending was in favor of helping minors bypass parental consent!!! It is the United Methodist Church. They are pro abortion. It is in their church doctrine. I no longer attend their so called church and try to alert others as to their unChrist like doctrine.


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This is true.  But what about those parents whose relatives would commit insest or rape?  Should teens have to go through talking to their parents about having a baby they shouldn't be having in the first place? An abortion might be the only way for a teen to get rid of the unwanted baby with out parental consent.  It  is the only solution for some.  And what of those abusive parents who would attack their children if they found out about the pregnancy?  Talking about it could only worsen the situation.  It could also lead the child into guilt and hate of herself for getting pregnant in the first place.  In 1996, a commercial went out about talking to your parents about your pregnancy.  The rate of children consulting their parents went up 12%, but so did the rate of deppression and suicide amongst pregnant teens.  Thus, the only real way for a teen to know she is safe is by not consulting her parents.  While this may lead to more dead babies, it also leads to less dead teens.
 


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This is true.  But what about those parents whose relatives would commit insest or rape?  Should teens have to go through talking to their parents about having a baby they shouldn't be having in the first place? An abortion might be the only way for a teen to get rid of the unwanted baby with out parental consent.  It  is the only solution for some.  And what of those abusive parents who would attack their children if they found out about the pregnancy?  Talking about it could only worsen the situation.  It could also lead the child into guilt and hate of herself for getting pregnant in the first place.  In 1996, a commercial went out about talking to your parents about your pregnancy.  The rate of children consulting their parents went up 12%, but so did the rate of deppression and suicide amongst pregnant teens.  Thus, the only real way for a teen to know she is safe is by not consulting her parents.  While this may lead to more dead babies, it also leads to less dead teens.  (sorry, my comp messed up.  I wasn't done or logged in.)
Parental consult is an overall bad thing, and leads to bad positions on all sides.  While it may not be religiously correct, (I myself am not christian.) just put yourself in the shoes of someone whose got an unwanted baby that will get you a literal beating by telling your parents.


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yes
but an possible exception to bypass parent/guardian and go to a court/mediator hearing would be preferred
just having an infomal hearing every time an abortion is considered would be the ideal, the reasons for and against the choices of keeping aborting or adoption all presented fairly and judge/mediator deciding if the reasons are good enough, then the women would feel less guilty about going ahead, if the reasons are good ones and society will be better for trying to prevent some unecessary violence. Of course, after the hearing the women and doctor and family can still decide differently without any fine or jail penalty, but aborting without a hearing could have a fine or community service or jail time penalty.


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but then ofcourse your parents would be notified, and suspect something if your GONE TO A COURT!!!  its the same thing as saying that a spy can talk to our government and not be killed.  If a court hearing is enabled for non parental consultant abortions, then the parents would still know, either through parental instinct or a friend who heard the hearing.


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sometimes yes and sometimes no.  i belive that the teenagers or anyone for that matter has the right to get an abortion if the think it is neccesary.  parents have the right to know but clinics should not have the right to tell then without parents consent.  if the teen think that is right then people should dupport them.  if you do not support your teenage daughter then they may think that you do not love them or support them in anything that they will do.
 


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Its their buisness if they have a kid!  Why can't they have privacy?  parental consent can lead to the parent saying 'dont abort it' and then the kid will have to care for it and have others call her a slut because she got pregnant.


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hey this is a seriuos subject and i think that if i was in the situation of haveing my girlfriend have an abortion would just kill me but yet it would seem like the right thing to do. if we werre in that situatin i would agree for her to have one yes because at this point in our lifes we dont need a child we are planning to moe to montana and a child would just get in the way
 


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Yet another reason why parental consent should not be needed.  Most likely  everyone's parents would say 'dont get an abortion!' or 'dont make your g/f get an abortion!' They think it is against religion/moral values.  And while i think that an abortion is worse than an adoption, there is still little reason for parental consent.


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"if you do not support your teenage daughter then they may think that you do not love them or support them in anything that they will do."




So, according to your theory if your teenage daughter wants to go get pregnat, risk sexually transmitted deises, under go an extreamly painful prosess where her baby is either burned alive by salt or dismembered (ripped apart) then have its brains sucked out through a tube, risk never being able to conseve again, go through a crushing emotional crisis knowing she just murdered her baby (post-abortion depression), you should let her because, I mean obeviously she knows whats shes doing and it her choice and all...I mean does it really matter that she could under go an experience that will scar her for the rest of her life, if she thinks her parents love her enough to let her?...









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Would you rather be scarred think about getting an abortion or be scarred having a deformed diseased baby and being called an insestual slut?  I think youd rather live with getting an abortion.  And post abortion depression is rather uncommon in teens versus adults.  'Your going through a phase' is excactly it.  Would you rather live with 'I killed my baby!' or 'I got raped by my insestual cousin and had a disgusting deformed baby who will grow up to be despised!'


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You dont want to live with it then put it up for adoption,  when someone is raped it is the rapest that should be put to death not the child.


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Me, me, me.  It's all about me.  What a selfish world we live in.  Youre willing to kill a child so people won't whisper when you walk into a room?  That's scary.  


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Preach it brother, lol!


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It IS all about ME.  the baby is part of them for about the first week.  Adoption is the best, I agree, but how can you live knowing that your baby is somewhere retardating even more and being made fun of and disgusted by normal people and even being hunted down by those who would oppose retards?  One of my friend's cousins was shot in the heart 3 times because his head was waterlogged and he was retarded.  Why should you force someone to live in such a bad, hateful world?

(Also Sakata, I'd like it if you don't spam so much.  People are always accusing me of spamming, but lo, you do it alot.  Don't go getting accused as I did, only spam if your going to have topic related info in the post as well OR if the debate has ended.)


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So you've never met a happy retarded person?  If you put a gun to a random mentally handicapped person's head and said I'm going to kill you, you really think they would say "please, it sucks being retarded, I don't deserve to live."  

No.  In fact some of the happiest people I know happen to be mentally handicapped.  Who are you to say whether they will be happy people or not?

And your cousin getting shot has nothing to do with him, it's the sick moron who shot him, and besides, do you really think that to solve the problem of his death would be to kill him earlier, before then man with the gun could get to him?  The whole killing a child because they may be or are certain to be handicapped is the most useless steaming pile of crap logic I've ever heard.  And I guess retarded people are oppressed a little bit, but far less than gays or other minorities.  Does that mean we should kill Alexander...to save him from certain prejudice and oppression (sorry to pull you into this Alex., but you seem open about it)?

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I am kind of glad people like Exxoss will never be pregnat for this reason,  I probably woulnt choose to have a mentally retarded kid, but I will take what I am given, there is someone else who believed that mentally retarded people should just be killed for their own good Exxoss,  Adolf Hitler.


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No.  Hitler believe they should be killed off for the opposite reason;  That they were ruining his ideal of a 'perfect' society.  He killed them because he thought it was for the good of him and those he liked, not those he killed.

Also, in rebuttal to what thistownwilleatyou said, retarded people can be happy.  But the thing is, they will be living in a world where others are NOT happy with them, where if he walks into a store, he will probably be jipped out of his money because he doesnt understand.  A hateful world is not hated, it is hateful.

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retards are not unhappy. Being handicapped their entire live they dont know\understand what it is like to be normal and some dont realize that they are not normal. They are always happy from what iv seen and to state that they are unhappy with there lives and conditions is an assumption made by you personally. Why dont yuo go ask one if they are unhappy bc they are retarded.


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Yeah you're right he's better off dead than have some store clerk gip hom out of a few dollars.  ANd even if you were right (which is light years from conceivable), how do you know, you're making a life and death decision based on something you've never experienced.


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I'd like you to notice that retards are shunned in society.  Many of them live with their parents, and are not smart enough to  take care of themselves.  What you are trying to say is that a lady of what...50 should take care of a 24 year old person because she is retarded.
I think that consult should not be needed because of the fact that parents get pissed if they discover their child is pregnant!  Not many parents would be too happpy if they founnd out that there is going to be another mouth to feed in the house.


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Thats why we have adoption.


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if a teen need parental concent to get a piercing or a tatoo then they definatly need parental concent to get an abortion


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exxoss, if you'll notice, the mentally handicapped aren't the only ones in our society that are shunned.  people with differing beliefs, people  with different norms, and even people with different clothes are shunned in our society.  and i'm sure that we all know some perfectly "normal" 24 year old that still lives at home with his mom, and doesn't really support himself all that well.  if those are your arguments, them i'm sorry, but i don't find any validity in them whatsoever.  maybe my interpretation of what you said is wrong so please clarify.  


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acutally, it is easier to get an abortion than it is to get your ears peirced in CA.


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exactly.  pro-life parent:Parental consent->parent hearing, talking with child-->no abortion-->one more mouth to feed OR ->adoption of the baby to a family that might do bad things or to a good family in a bad neighborhood OR ->¤people dont adopt, and he lives in a relatively abusive adoption home.


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You make far to many assumption exxoss for your argument to hold any weight.  Just because there is a chance that the child may have problems either physically, mentally, or emotionally is no grounds to stamp it out of existance.  Come on...growing up in a bad neighborhood?  Are you serious?  We should just wipe out the entire poor urban population of New York because it's better off for them in the long run?  An adoptive family who MIGHT be abusive, live in an adoption home that MIGHT be abusive, MIGHT live in a bad neighborhood.  And aside from that all these mights are not very likely to happen.  


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but it is grounds to save the mother, the baby that would be hurt and the orphanage.


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Saving a mother's LIFE and a mother's LIFESTYLE are two completely different things.  


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your right.  But ever heard of deppression?  Mothers get hecka depressed knowing that they may have just killed their baby with it being totally alive.  While post-abortion depression is real, it is unlikely AND less harsh than knowing your baby was intellegent and sentient when he was killed.


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I agree with you 100%.  Now what....?


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I guess I win the debate :-)  WAHAHAHAAHA I AM THE CHAMPION!!!

ok im done.  

But offhandly, since no one else has posted, i believe that i do win the debate...

Abortion is good during conditions!!


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I agree with you that post-abortion syndrome is very real....that's all, I never said abortion was right in any other situation to save the life of the mother.  LIFE not LIFESTYLE.


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No. it should be the teenagers or whoever is pregnants choice to have an abortion or not to not their parents choice.


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But shouldn't the teen have to get their parents permission? It's not even the teens choice a lot of the time. It's a fact that a lot of girls go in those clinics crying and not wanting to do it, being forced by someone. But the doctors don't care as long as they get paid.

The parents have a right to at least know. It's their child and that child is under their guardianship.


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It should be the teens choice to get an abortion. They are the one that should be stuck with the choice if it is their child. Yes the parents should know. But why should the parents make the decision for their teen?

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the teen shouldnt even have the option to murder its unborn child


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Its not murder.


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WARNING; these pictures are GRAPHIC but the TRUTH about abortion. Unless you want to be close-minded and not view these, you will understand that abortion is wrong and does kill a child!

THESE PICTURES ARE ALL MEDICALLY PROVED TO BE REAL ABORTED FETUSES.

http://www.survivors.la/abortionpics.html



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if you have clicked on this link and still believe that abortion is not murder, then i would say that you are a very sick and twisted animal


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I think it's murder too, but as long as it's legal the parents have a right to know and should have to grant permission.


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Posts: 351 | Posted: 12:44 PM on January 5, 2003 | IP
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Yeah. Abortion is illegal past the first couple months. And At the time your allowed to have one the baby has not even devolped a brain and cannot feel pain.


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Posts: 85 | Posted: 12:55 PM on January 5, 2003 | IP
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"if you have clicked on this link and still believe that abortion is not murder, then i would say that you are a very sick and twisted animal"

I would say you're a very judgmental and ignorant individual.  In this country abortion is a legal medical procedure, period.  What you think of those who choose this procedure is irrelevant.  Anyone who chooses to have an abortion has the absolute right to do so, as well as the absolute right to privacy and confidentiallity, even minors.


 


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No one has a right to murder...Just because a wife decides she no longer wants her husband can she kill him? She could, but it's illegal and she'd be punished... it's murder. Abortion is too. How would you have liked to have been aborted? How would you have liked to not have the choice to live your life?


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Posts: 351 | Posted: 6:09 PM on January 5, 2003 | IP
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True, in this country no one has the right to murder, it's illegal.  But abortion, in point of fact, is not.   And, as long as it's legal, those who choose to have an abortion are entitled to certain rights, whether you like it or not.    It's not a matter of morality or personal religious beliefs-  it's ensuring that we're are not denied the freedoms we're granted under the law.  Fight to change the laws, but don't attack the individuals for exercising their rights.
 


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They can do it as long as it is legal... the issue here is parental consent.


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Posts: 351 | Posted: 7:36 PM on January 5, 2003 | IP
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If I'm not mistaken about 40 states require parental consent or notification before allowing a minor to have an abortion.  Nearly all of these states though have a sort of judicial bypass, whereby the minor may present their situation to a judge and, if their situation warrents it, obtain permission to get the abortion without parental consent.  I feel that it absolutely needs to be this way in order to protect the safety and preserve the well-being of some minors.  Not all parents are the loving care-givers, concerned only for their childs welfare, that we'd all like to think.  Unfortunately real life simply does not always work out that way.  So, to answer the question- Yes, in necessary situations, children under the age of 18 should be able to get abortions without parental consent.
 


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Only if the parents would retaliate against the child or something... there are almost always exceptions like that.

Requiring parental consent has been proven to lower abortion rates, lower birth rates, etc.


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