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doublehelix, so are you saying that if something is legal then that means it is ok? because in the late 1930s and early 1940s murdering a Jew in Germany was totally legal. so are you saying that it was also right? i think you are a very ignorant person for thinking the government should decide what our values are. and i dont think its judgemental to accuse someone who supports murder as being "sick and twisted"


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Posts: 971 | Posted: 10:09 PM on January 5, 2003 | IP
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Exactly, there are always exceptions and the law needs to take that into consideration.  So yes, minors need to have a way to have abortions without parental consent.
 


Posts: 6 | Posted: 10:10 PM on January 5, 2003 | IP
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It wasn't illegal to be a Jew... it was just dangerous and usually deadly. Hmm... I wonder what would happen if we herded everyone who got an abortion into an abortion camp where they could travel back in time and be aborted by their mothers and cease to exist. I wonder how they'd feel then.


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Posts: 351 | Posted: 10:14 PM on January 5, 2003 | IP
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Fallingupwards84- By definition if something is legal then it's ok, yes.  In rebuttal, I think you're a very ignorant person for thinking you should have the right to dictate what everyone else's moral compass should be.  We're not talking about Germany in late '30s, we're talking about the US today.  Until enough people pressure the government to change the laws regarding abortion, it remains everyone womans right to choose.  No amount of holier-than-thou prattle will change that.   And I didn't just call accusing some of being sick and twisted for not agreeing with your personal, debateable, beliefs "judgemental.  I believe I called it "judgemental AND ignorant".
 


Posts: 6 | Posted: 10:18 PM on January 5, 2003 | IP
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No one should resort to personal attacks in debate. That's a low thing to do...


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Posts: 351 | Posted: 10:25 PM on January 5, 2003 | IP
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you are a very hateful person doublehelix, but thats fine. just because i dont agree with you doesnt mean i am "holier-than-thou" or "ignorant". if i believe abortion is murder, than i should have the right to feel strongley about my beliefs without you accusing me of being ignorant. believe me doublehelix, i know a lot more than you'll ever know


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Posts: 971 | Posted: 09:41 AM on January 6, 2003 | IP
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Lowest teen birth rate in 60 years
In his 1995 State of the Union Address, President Clinton challenged Americans to join together in a national campaign against teen pregnancy. The birth rate for teens aged 15-19 declined every year of the Clinton Presidency, from 60.7 per 1,000 teens in 1992 to a record low of 49.6 in 1999.

Maybe because he vetoed a ban on partial birth abortion... I wonder if the abortion rate increased under him. Probably...


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Posts: 351 | Posted: 12:54 PM on January 6, 2003 | IP
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i STONGly think that a teen needs her parents' consent if she'll have an abortion. Though it IS really hard to do. Yet in such aspects, abortion should be avoided. thousands of lives are desroyed because of this. this could also give a big effect to the teen eventhough she goes for abortion, there is still that conscience that'll bug her for life. and just think of it< it"ll also have a big effect on social stigma. Lots of people don't agree with abortion and just think of it - you're going to kill a life just because you want to redeem your dignity. You're totally selfish, I SAY.

(Edited by Faze 1/7/2003 at 06:53 AM).


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Posts: 22 | Posted: 06:49 AM on January 7, 2003 | IP
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I think parental consent should be a must..there are so many times in the world who act on a whim--slaughtering their infant because a boyfriend won't help out, etc, etc, etc, without taking a step back and looking at the situation.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 02:24 AM on June 14, 2003 | IP
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I agree with you Guest, parental consent is a must for most teenagers.  Most teenagers are too impulsive to make a good decision, and they need guidance to make a proper decision on what to do.  Plus abortion, as was stated earlier, can be a very trumatic expireince, and the parent should, if they let their daughter get an abortion, ready her for it as best as they can.

I personally don't believe abortion is moral or just since the baby's brain works after the third week of conception, which means it does have rudimentary brain functions at even that age, which might mean it can feel pain at that age.  Plus before then it has a heartbeat (not sure how long before it's heart starts beating), so it is alive.  Problem is it's called a fetus (which means offspring in latin), a tumor, a parasite (which we all are to the earth), or other names, which means its something other then human for some reason...
 


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By the way, sorry for having a different name then I used to have (JoeCook529), but I lost my password and the 'lost password' button kept sending me an error, so I had to remake my account
 


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Quote from maria at 06:02 AM on June 13, 2002 :
YES YES YES

definately yes

There would be so many less abortions if the parents were aware of the situation.  It is important for the parents consent to show that the situation has been properly handled at home.  A young girl may think that abortion is the only option because they are afraid of what their parents think.  If the child gets past that fear and openly discusses the situation and after they had time to think about ALL the options, then and only then can they come to a discision on wether an abortion is the right or wrong thing to do.

Some people may have a supportive family that will help them make a good decision, and some don't. What about girls with abusive parents, or girls who have been raped by a family member? should they then have to tell their family, even though it could cause injury or even death to them? That's a huge violation of human rights and privacy.




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Quote from bobjoyce at 2:55 PM on September 23, 2002 :
yes
but an possible exception to bypass parent/guardian and go to a court/mediator hearing would be preferred
just having an infomal hearing every time an abortion is considered would be the ideal, the reasons for and against the choices of keeping aborting or adoption all presented fairly and judge/mediator deciding if the reasons are good enough, then the women would feel less guilty about going ahead, if the reasons are good ones and society will be better for trying to prevent some unecessary violence. Of course, after the hearing the women and doctor and family can still decide differently without any fine or jail penalty, but aborting without a hearing could have a fine or community service or jail time penalty.

How do you suppose a girl would go about appealing to court for a bypass without her parents knowing? That defeats the whole purpose, doesn't it?




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Posts: 13 | Posted: 8:07 PM on December 19, 2004 | IP
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Quote from Sakata at 10:51 PM on October 8, 2002 :
"if you do not support your teenage daughter then they may think that you do not love them or support them in anything that they will do."




So, according to your theory if your teenage daughter wants to go get pregnat, risk sexually transmitted deises, under go an extreamly painful prosess where her baby is either burned alive by salt or dismembered (ripped apart) then have its brains sucked out through a tube, risk never being able to conseve again, go through a crushing emotional crisis knowing she just murdered her baby (post-abortion depression), you should let her because, I mean obeviously she knows whats shes doing and it her choice and all...I mean does it really matter that she could under go an experience that will scar her for the rest of her life, if she thinks her parents love her enough to let her?...







Those types of abortions only happen in partial-birth abortions, whcih have bben outlawed. Besides, don't you thinik that by that time people would be able to tell that she was pregnant? Post-abortion depression does not happen to everyone, and who are you to decide what is best for every teenage girl?
Against abortion? Then don't have one, but keep your laws off my body.





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Quote from Sakata at 9:34 PM on October 17, 2002 :
You dont want to live with it then put it up for adoption,  when someone is raped it is the rapest that should be put to death not the child.

A person who is raped should not have to go through 9 months of ridicule, and missing school, work, etc., and the pain of labor.




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Quote from madbilly at 01:55 AM on November 4, 2002 :
if a teen need parental concent to get a piercing or a tatoo then they definatly need parental concent to get an abortion

That is a completely different issue.




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