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wayneinFL

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If a fetus is just a fetus and not a child why is there a more severe charge against Scott Pederson for "killing his unborn son" He didn't kill anybody except his wife near I can tell. He simply caused the abortion of a fetus. What's wrong with that?


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Posts: 7 | Posted: 2:37 PM on May 14, 2005 | IP
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i suppose the courts may have decided that it comes down to the baby's value to it's mother/family - i know it's terrible, but that's reality.
 


Posts: 292 | Posted: 02:07 AM on May 16, 2005 | IP
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i suppose the courts may have decided that it comes down to the baby's value to it's mother/family - i know it's terrible, but that's reality.


NO! that's not reality.  Reality is TWO persons have been killed not 1 and 1/2.  And no it's not terrible that he was charged with killing 1 1/2 persons, rather it is terrible that he didn't get charged for killing two persons.


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Posts: 84 | Posted: 11:33 PM on June 1, 2005 | IP
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I wasn't saying that! I was saying that in such a case, it comes down to the baby's value to the mother/family. In this case, it was considered valuable. I'm saying it's terrible that a baby's life depends on its value, but that's reality. I agree with him getting a more severe penalty!
 


Posts: 292 | Posted: 01:47 AM on June 2, 2005 | IP
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I wasn't saying that! I was saying that in such a case, it comes down to the baby's value to the mother/family. In this case, it was considered valuable. I'm saying it's terrible that a baby's life depends on its value, but that's reality. I agree with him getting a more severe penalty!


I'm confused!  You are pro-abortion meaning you either 1. acknowledge that the unborn child is NOT A HUMAN CHILD and therefore DO NOT have the inherent and intrinsic worth of a human person, i.e. the right to life or 2. you acknowledge the human child as a human child yet are still for killing him/her.

In Scott Peterson's case you agree that there is some sort of inherent and intrinsic worth of the unborn child...why?


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Posts: 84 | Posted: 2:37 PM on June 2, 2005 | IP
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Well, the problem is that an abortion is a decision made by the woman and because Scott killed his wife and forced an "abortion" against her will then it is murder. Also, how far along was the fetus, because you cannot legally get a third trimester abortion unless it is life threatening.


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I'm confused!  You are pro-abortion meaning you either 1. acknowledge that the unborn child is NOT A HUMAN CHILD and therefore DO NOT have the inherent and intrinsic worth of a human person, i.e. the right to life or 2. you acknowledge the human child as a human child yet are still for killing him/her.


I'm not arguing against you because I don't know what you believe in, but do you see the problem with the statement above.  It is rather very ironic of this country as well.  If an unborn child is aborted by his/her mother then it is OK and NOT MURDER.  Yet if it is against her will, IT IS MURDER.  Why?  When does the government define personhood?  Or further, WHO gets to decide personhood?  Does personhood not transcend man-made notions of what human personhood is and does it not demand recognition rather than something that is granted by someone?  This is the main problem.


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Posts: 84 | Posted: 6:43 PM on June 2, 2005 | IP
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It seems that the law puts it down to the mother - if she wants her child, she has it; if she doesn't want her child, she either has an abortion or puts it up for adoption (depending on whether she's ready to go through a pregnancy). I know you won't like this statement at all, but it's reality for the moment.

In this case, it has obviously come down to the 'value' of the child to its mother - i said that that's a terrible kind of judgement to make, but it's reality. How much the law values an unborn child can often depend on how much the mother of that unborn child values it.

Don't attack me for saying any of this, as i've not stated any opinions here.
 


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