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Would you be support National Health Care Plan? 

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Posts: 31 | Posted: 12:50 PM on May 1, 2002 | IP
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No. A better health care plan is where everything is free, no pay, no greed.


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Posts: 438 | Posted: 4:06 PM on September 25, 2002 | IP
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That sounds very good in theory, but in practice, you find it doesn't work. Here in Britain, our healthcare is free, but ironically this still manages to come at a cost - lower standards in care. In relation to other European countries, Britain has a very low tax rate, and healthcare is included. Other nations like France, have a higher tax rate and then you still have to pay healthcare constributions. At the end of the day, you only get what you pay for. This has led to massive waiting lists for operations, with someone expecting a heart bypass expected to wait 18months! A&E waits can take up to 7 hours! Doctors' surgeries will not prescribe expensive medicines as it will exceed their allowance - this leaves people in pain for longer, and even dead. The vitals are being denied to people because there is no means with which to fund them. Why don't you Americans grow up - if you want a first rate health service, you will have to pay for it!


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i've heard people from Canada say that their health care is just as good, if not better. and everyone has access to it, regardless of wealth


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Posts: 971 | Posted: 03:04 AM on December 9, 2002 | IP
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Could someone tell me the basics of the Canadian healthcare program.  Are there long waits for care?  What about specialists?  Perscription drugs?  I'm doing a senior paper comparing the US and Canada regarding what is provided and how it effects the people.
Thanks!
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 6:07 PM on January 12, 2003 | IP
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     About Canadian Health Care where I live (Truro,  Nova Scotia):

   Canadian health-care is of very high quality in general, and most of it available to everyone for free.   It is a real freedom and liberty to just be able to go to the doctor without a thought for how much it costs.  
 
   However, there is very insufficient coverage for drugs, except for severe cases, and some areas have complained of lack of transportation.  Also, some years of underfunding have slightly to somewhat short-sheeted many services, though significant funding is being increased this year.  But don't be deceived - such a system, when well-funded, is far less expensive and more equitable than the American system (which has outrageous expenditure levels -  something there definitely exacerbates prices).  Canada could afford the most lavish system in the world for less than what most Americans pay just between health insurance and taxation.  American taxes don't pay for cost management - just partial defrayal/

  I have never seen anything like the low standrads in Britain mentioned here.  The standard is generally high - just a bit too long a wait for it.  Any problems, as in the U. S. and all nations, are undoubtedly worse in some areas than others, such as mine.

   In addition, even without insurance many generic drugs are of lower cost here; I have read on Broadcast News that some New England seniors were coming here to buy drugs.  

 In any case, there can be no dispute that compulsory health insurance, at least, is in order in the United States.  Minnesota was going to do so, but repealed some provisions of that law as of 1997 or so.

   In regards to the British system, they have (or had) an extremely low doctor/population ratio, the lowest in the advanced world.  They have some of the lowest expenditures on medical services in the advanced world (though significant increases in expenditure to become on par with France and Germany were promised, I believe) so I don't think any system can work unless the personnel situation there is improved.

    Yes, you WILL have to pay for good health-care, but the only fair way to do that is with properly proportioned taxes/insurance premiums for all.  Don't listen to insurance-companies' and others' fiction that universal health care is insupportable - it most certainly is not!  It would lower costs considerably, if it were at all sensibly instituted.


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A tax payer funded medical services loans fund for credit card loans provided to citizens to pay for medical treatments or insurance with provision by private providers, The amount repaid by patient means tested over 10 years, so 50% paid back by a person of average means. To have patients limit demands and have providers able to fulfill demands.
 


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Quote from Guest at 2:07 PM on January 12, 2003 :
Could someone tell me the basics of the Canadian healthcare program.  Are there long waits for care?  What about specialists?  Perscription drugs?  I'm doing a senior paper comparing the US and Canada regarding what is provided and how it effects the people.
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I've never had to wait for very long to get any care, but I suppose that it depends on what you're in for. We have no more long waits for certain things than you do in the USA. The last time I had seen a speicalists was for my knee and he operated the same day that I had my first appointment with him. As for perscriptions. I get mine for nothing since I'm on a disability pension and my mother is on old age pension and she only has to pay a third of her's. The only complaint I have is that dental is not fully covered, but it is if you REALLY need it like wisdom teeth and serious mouth diseases and the like.
 


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While I am in full support of providing coverage for every child(even till age 25!),Senior Citizen and disabled persons and also provide for coverage options for the unemployed..I am not in favor of the concept of coverage that is totally run and administered by our government.
We have a great example with our Nations Social Security system and Medicare that alone with our new Presciption drug program which will cost arounf 400 Billion over the next 10 years and could increase to 2 Trillion over the following 10 years..There is more fraud perpetrated in our current system and mismanagement that a forced system upon every US Citizen is unbearable.
If we want to destroy the competitive advantages of capitalism this is a sure fire way to accomplish it if the "Single Payor Only "plan is passed.
 


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Health care should not be provided free at the point of delivery by government.  The only way to do this is to force OTHER people to pay for it--i.e. slavery.

Nor should employer-paid health insurance be made mandatory.  Compensation for labor is a private matter between employer and employee.  Government has no place getting involved.


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Posts: 3 | Posted: 02:17 AM on March 2, 2004 | IP
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supposedly twice as many Americans go to Canada for healthcare than Canadians who go to America for healthcare. However, since the population of the USA is WAY over twice Canada's population, canadians are more likely to come here.

There is no such thing as "Free" healthcare. Once the government declares it "free", the only way to pay for it is to drastically raise taxes.

I say get the feds out of health care all together and let people choose their own health plan. And I'm not talking about privatization where private HMOs are subsidized by the government to give health plans. I mean COMPLETELY get the feds out.
 


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[random] All I know is my $5,000 deductible Health insurance premiums went from $181 per month to $686 per month between the years of 1997 and 2004.  This is For a policy that I have never filed a claim on!  I changed to another $5,0000+ plan for about $400.00 per month, but better not get sick because of all the riders.  Insurance companies "block" you with a small group when you sign up for a particular plan.  Your rates are tied to their loss ratios for this particular group.  Accordingly, all the healthy people move on, and those remaining will be slapped with higher increases, since they're lumped in with the sick people.  You better not be a diabetic or have high blood pressure, because then you're uninsurable and can't move.  It makes since to me that we should all be lumped into the same group with the loss ratios being calculated on the population as a whole.


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