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You ageeing with me? I need to go lock myself in a room for a few hours.


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Posts: 351 | Posted: 10:54 AM on December 31, 2002 | IP
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Is this debate over?   Who won?
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 05:54 AM on January 31, 2003 | IP
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Id like to say one thing the civil war was the biggest hypocrtical war in the history of the US. The union originally had three slave states the amancipation proclamation did not effect these states at all. (side note robert e lee did not believe in slaves and was debating amongst himself to join us or cs and only joind cs because he dident want to fight his brothers of virginia.)


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Posts: 15 | Posted: 11:42 PM on March 21, 2003 | IP
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The WBTS was not an engagement meant to decide the issue of slavery.  In 1860, the Morrill Tariff passed the House (HR338) over the votes of Southern Reps.  This provision was also located as a plank of the Republican platform.  Sumter was a means of controlling the Harbour of Charleston, SC and enforcing the "revenue laws" of the federal government.
Lincoln, in his inaugural address of 4Mar1861 spelled out the use of military invasion of the South: To control the forts and collect the imposts and duties.  Aside from this there would be no invasion.

The deeper spirit of man (or God) set men free in different terms than those for which the same men prosecuted the war.

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Posts: 1 | Posted: 8:04 PM on March 29, 2003 | IP
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Plain and simple, the cause of the civil war was LIFESTYLE. During the 1860's, you had the north, and the south, two very unique people's with vastly different lifestyles, trying to live and work along side one another. When them time for debate came, over such issues as slavery, politics,and economy, neither side was willing to give and inch. The clash was bound to happen sometime, and when it did the inept politicians of the time blamed it on slavery to cover up their inefficieness.[color=lime]


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Posts: 8 | Posted: 10:24 AM on April 4, 2003 | IP
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Slavbery is the cause . Any doubters can read south carolina's declaation of sucession. It mentions slavery as the reason several times. The argument that few people owned slaves is irrelevent as slavery was the basis of the southern economy. The oversear needed a job, so did the engineer of the train that hauled slave picked cotton, the owner of the cotton mill,the ship crew that carried the cotton to Europe. Without slavery the whole cotton economy would crumble affecting a lot more people than slave owners. It would be like saying we are going to outlaw computer manufacturing. Sure few Americans manufacture computers,but the ripple effect would be devastating.
 


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i am learning about the civil war, and i think slavery was a big part of the civil war. what were the north and south fighting for? the south had slaves, and the north wanted to abolish slavery, abolitionsists. thats mainly why the civil war existed, because of slavery.
 


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There have been numerous references to the Emancipation Proclamation in previous posts.  However, it's being misquoted.  The Emancipation Proclamation did not free ALL slaves in the United States (see reference below).  It only freed slaves in the states that were in secession (read that to be Southern states).  Maryland, specifically, was allowed to keep it's slaves because it didn't try to secede from the Union.  Slavery was made a political issue to gain support for the war when the North was beginning to loose popularity.  The Civil War in many places in the South is better known as the War of Northern Aggression because the North was attacking Southern cities.

Emacipation Proclamation:
 "That on the 1st day of January, A.D. 1863, all persons held as
slaves within any State or designated part of a State the people
whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States shall
be then, thenceforward, and forever free; and the executive
government of the United States, including the military and naval
authority thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of such
persons and will do no act or acts to repress such persons, or any
of them, in any efforts they may make for their actual freedom.

 


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The root cause of the civil war was money.

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I apologize for the vulgarity.  However, sometimes you just have to tell it like it is.
You got to be vulgar when your surrounded by die hard Confederate supporters.  If your not strong then they will con you into believing thier crap.
 


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Here is a better link.   I'm just now getting used to the stuff on the forum.  I apologize for the mistakes.


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Posts: 2 | Posted: 11:21 AM on October 9, 2003 | IP
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actually , Lincoln had at  one time drafted legislation to make slave ownership legal in states where it already existed . This was an attempt to avert the war. However , since slavery was not the issue it was declined. And so the war was on ! So, no , slavery was not the cause of the civil war. Thats just the spin that was put on it by "Historians"


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Quote from Guest at 1:37 PM on July 2, 2003 :
There have been numerous references to the Emancipation Proclamation in previous posts.  However, it's being misquoted.  The Emancipation Proclamation did not free ALL slaves in the United States (see reference below).  It only freed slaves in the states that were in secession (read that to be Southern states).  Maryland, specifically, was allowed to keep it's slaves because it didn't try to secede from the Union.  Slavery was made a political issue to gain support for the war when the North was beginning to loose popularity.  The Civil War in many places in the South is better known as the War of Northern Aggression because the North was attacking Southern cities.

Emacipation Proclamation:
 "That on the 1st day of January, A.D. 1863, all persons held as
slaves within any State or designated part of a State the people
whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States shall
be then, thenceforward, and forever free; and the executive
government of the United States, including the military and naval
authority thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of such
persons and will do no act or acts to repress such persons, or any
of them, in any efforts they may make for their actual freedom.




you took the words right out of my mouth...it wasn't the E.P. that freed the slaves (all of them) it was the 13th amendment

(Edited by nfs_srt10 4/22/2004 at 12:44 AM).


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Posts: 3 | Posted: 12:43 AM on April 22, 2004 | IP
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Slavery was NOT the cause of the civil war and Lincoln had no respect for the constitution. He trampled all over it. He had to have a war because he campaigned on the issue of higher tarriffs. Tarriffs were paid mostly by southerners when they bought goods from Europe and the purpose of the tarriffs was to make the southerners buy their goods from the northern states at a higher price, the tarriffs would have so increased the price of imported goods that the goods produced in the north would be cheaper. The industrial north would be made richer at the expense of the southern states. Look at the Confederate constitution and one of the first things you will notice is the abolition of tarriffs. The south was going to allow duty free imports and that would mean that the west and the northwest would begin buying their goods from southern ports and the north would lose ALL the benefits that it had been enjoying and the expense of the agricultural south... Lincoln could not allow this. It would have been an absolute disaster for his administration and THAT was the caus eof the war. It was as simple as it always is and as usual if you follow the money you will get the answer. Lincoln ordered the garrisoning of fort Sumter as soon as South Carolina secceeded. He knew full well that SC could not and would not allow a foreign fort in their state. He then sent several ships to supply and reinforce the fort. He did this because he knew that he could force SC to fire upon the fort. He was a master politician and a master liar. He got his war, blamed it on others, and somehow came out smelling good but a close look at history will tell the truth.
What did Lincoln say about the black man? Lincoln said: "The whole nation is interested that the best use shall be made of these (new) territories. We want them for the homes of free white people." Oct. 16, 1854
In the famous Lincoln/Douglas debates he said in Ottawa, Il. in 1858 "I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and black races. There is a physical difference between the two, which in my judgement, will probably forever forbid their living together upon the footing of perfect equality; and inasmuch as it becomes a necessity that there must be a difference, I, as well as judge Douglas, am in favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position. I have never said anything to the contrary"

These are the statements of a white supremicist... a true racist.

The cause of the war was Lincoln and the whigs disguised as republicans. Beyond that it was greed.
The south fought for their freedom and the right of men to govern themselves. The Confederate army was self equipped and honorable. They lost the war however...because of slavery. God, IMO, brought the south to ruin because of the wealth built on the back of slavery.
But slavery was still not the cause of the war. The northerners and the europeans were the ones who introduced slavery into the south and made money kidnapping and selling slaves.
As far as the right of secession... tell me this. How can an institution created by the states have authority over the states, The state of Virginia and a couple of other states reserved the right to secceed, in writing, before joining the union in the first place. In the years before the civil war the right to secceed was recognized by all...including Lincoln...huh? well...how about one more Lincoln quote..."Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, a most sacred right-a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people, that can, may revolutionize, and make their own of so much territory as they inhabit." Abraham Lincoln January 12, 1848.

Lincoln was a man of many faces. He started the war for political and financial gain and God not only judged the south for it's sin of slavery but also He judged Lincoln as soon as he was finished using him as His instrument...and I am not saying that slavery was the cause of the war...just that slavery was wrong and God judges sin.

There is a lot more dirt on Lincoln and his generals. What about Sherman saying from his own lips that he deserved to by executed as a war criminal...and I agree.

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There is a lot more dirt on Lincoln and his generals. What about Sherman saying from his own lips that he deserved to by executed as a war criminal...and I agree.


Then you must also agree with Robert McNamara, who said in as plain English as he possibly could, that had the Japanese won the Americans in World War Two, he would have been tried and executed as a war criminal.

Jbow, the sad truth is that there is not a single war to this date in which the generals have not blood on their hands. Tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians died in the opening months of America's most recent war, and they would not have died had we not attacked. While you're slamming a 200-year-old president, why don't you do something useful and push for the execution of our current chiefs of staff?


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Quote from GrantLee at 12:19 AM on December 12, 2002 :
What caused the Civil War?  The war was caused not by the existence of slavery.  The war was caused by a failure, on both sides, to face the problem and deal with it in a responsible manner...
The insurmountable problem was that human realities were at odds with ideals about freedom.    


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Excellent post, paying attention to the follies of both sides. Which in general conversation rarely are mentioned. All conversations concerning the cause should end with your conclusions.
You do give credit to humans of that era the ability to reason without prejudice to the benefit of humanity. A talent that still eludes mankind to this day. Evidenced by the many wars that man has endured since the civil war.
History tends to blame the south for two reasons.
The fact that the south fired on Ft. Sumter without provocation. Fortunately there was no loss of life. But not because the intent did not exist.
The fact that the south took up arms against their fellow countrymen for the cause of "state's rights" while disregarding the basic human rights of an entire race of people.
The cause exposed them as either totally self indulgent or totally ignorant.
Both sides were manned by ignorant people however. I ask myself, why would a young man from Alabama who could not afford to own a slave join a cause that would cause him to go kill a northern boy who left his Ohio farm to go kill a southern boy who he would never know?
At least the northern boy would think his nation was under attack and he must help defend it. What was the motivation for a poor southern young man?






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At least the northern boy would think his nation was under attack and he must help defend it. What was the motivation for a poor southern young man?


I think that, in the eyes of this southern boy, his home was also under attack by an influence to the north that may as well have been considered foreign to his world.


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Quote from Exxoss at 10:14 AM on September 26, 2002 :
It was the cause.  The north wanted no slaves.  So they attacked toset  the salves free.  It doesnt matter the time they were set free.  No segregation!



Actually originally the South went to battle so they could stay their own country like we did with Britain and the North went to battle to preserve the Union. Although many people went to fight for the cause of slavery, that wasn't actually the original reason for the civil war.

It wasn't until when Lincoln was speaking either right before or after the battle at Gettysburg that Lincoln decided to mention slavery and use that as a rally for recruiting men to join the Union Army.  


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The cause of the civil war was the Morell tax act that had the south paying 80% of taxes.
This is reason for the northern aggression and invasion of the south. The yankees were truly the original nazis.


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