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I'm reading a very interesting book titled "King Leopold's Ghost". It talks about imperialism in Africa in the 1890s and the cruel means that King Leopold II of Belgium conquered the Congo area. I never knew how bad it was. Some 5 to 8 million lives were taken. That is on about the same level of the Holocaust. Yet, we never really hear about what happened there (at least I had not. i knew that they were very cruel, but i did not know that millions lost their lives as a result). Any ideas of why this tragic event is ignored in most history books?


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Posts: 971 | Posted: 3:43 PM on January 16, 2003 | IP
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Because it happened in Africa.


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Posts: 351 | Posted: 11:56 AM on January 20, 2003 | IP
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europeans and americans still to this day look at africa and see them as a different type of human being. the fact is they live, eat, work, sleep, and function in the same way that we do. what we did to that continent 100 years ago was horrendous.


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Falling, Africa and most of the rest of the developing world are left alone and unmentioned in this world. Not that that's good, but that is how it is.

According to evolutionists, Africans have been around the longest, yet they seem to have had the littlest progress.


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What the Europeans did to Africa was horrible? I don't know about that... at least they introduced some technology. But the loss of life and cruelty, yes, that was horrible.


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Posts: 351 | Posted: 1:29 PM on January 20, 2003 | IP
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they forced their culture on the africans and introduced greed and warfare.

broker, have you studied africa? africans have been around the longest, but let me tell you why they have not progressed as much. the soil in africa is extremely weak. since the beginning of the agricultural revolution to this day, africans have had trouble with agriculture because the soil is so weak. there are no minerals in the soil at all. therefore, when africans farmed, they could only barely make enough food for themselves. meanwhile, other civilizations had a surplus whenever they farmed. the fact that africans did not have a surplus slowed down "specialization". specialization is when different people are assigned to different tasks. but all africans had to grow their own food because there was never a surplus. without a lot of specialization, there is very little technology. actually, the africans did a very wonderful job considering how weak the soil is. and that is what many people do not realize.


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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 1:01 PM on January 20, 2003 :
europeans and americans still to this day look at africa and see them as a different type of human being. the fact is they live, eat, work, sleep, and function in the same way that we do. what we did to that continent 100 years ago was horrendous.


Are they not a different type of human? Are you so devoted to political correctness that you would deny yourself the obvious?
All nations of the earth, all people have at one time or another suffered injustice at the hand of another. And often by the hand of people of their own nation. The difference is that all have moved out of that phase of mass injustice and peace and prosperity, to viarious degrees became the norm. Why, besides poor soil can Africans not evolve to that plateau?
I contend that you are wrong. African's seem to suffer from a lack of imagination which allows the to think past today. To progress, one must dream. To progress one must overcome. The solution to African problems must be solved by Africans.
It is acclaimed that Africans are the oldest of humans, Their inability or lack of interest to evolve screams, "We are different".
By the way. Slave traders would never have been able to round up and control enough victims in the terrain of Africa without the help of natives in capture of fellow Africans.





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Quote from gman at 04:49 AM on November 28, 2006 :
The difference is that all have moved out of that phase of mass injustice and peace and prosperity, to viarious degrees became the norm.

Then why do I still see it occuring in almost every corner of the world?

Quote from gman at 04:49 AM on November 28, 2006 :Why, besides poor soil can Africans not evolve to that plateau?
I contend that you are wrong. African's seem to suffer from a lack of imagination which allows the to think past today.

Because people from other countries have been interfering with them in an overall destructive way for as long as they've been in contact.

Quote from gman at 04:49 AM on November 28, 2006 :To progress, one must dream. To progress one must overcome. The solution to African problems must be solved by Africans.

What about Martin Luther King and his dream?  What about the Rastafarians and their fight for unification?  What about the success of Botswana?

Perhaps it is because Africans are so much more communal and aware of their local needs that they are taken advantage of by outsiders.

Quote from gman at 04:49 AM on November 28, 2006 :By the way. Slave traders would never have been able to round up and control enough victims in the terrain of Africa without the help of natives in capture of fellow Africans.

People will do anything for money.  Or food.  Besides, the natives they used to capture other natives were almost always on aggressive terms with each other already.

You obviously have no idea how many hands have been in Africa, screwing things up for the people that lived there first.  In America, the natives were invaded by British, French, and Spanish.  But it wasn't long before the land was split into 3 nations.  Yet, in Africa, the meriad of nations still have much fighting between them, spurred by the past seperations made by Europeans.  Instead of being forced out by a revolution, many of the European colonies stayed under rule of the motherland until they couldn't gain any more wealth from keeping it.  Then it was just given to the people there who, by then, had no idea how to control their own nation.

And just as they start getting things together, along comes the cold war to split everything up again.

And now everyone is too scared of doing something wrong to go in and stop the fighting.  Too many warlords hording the NATO-sent aid and too many rebels trying to take over the warlords.  Africa is shattered.



 


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