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I would like to say first of all what I believe on slavery, and State's rights. I am against slavery all the way. In no way do I support it.  It is wrong and cruel. I also believe that a state has the right to decide weather or not they wish to be apart of a union or weather it wishes to secede(leave the union). I believe that the government was set up by our forefather's that we the people could choose weather or not we wish to be apart of the union. I, a southern, do not agree that we should have tried to secede. But I do believe that we should have had the right ot do so if we wish to. Also I believe that the American Civil War was not wholly about slavery. I believe this for severly reasons but one reason is that there were Northerns that owned and supported slavery. Another reason for this belief is that there were southerns who didn't own slaves and who did not support slavery they were just fighting for they protection of their homes and  families and rights.  This is only my opinion. I believe that God was in complete control and the war worked out in God's will and for the good of America. this is my say about the civil war. [color=black][/color]
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 10:43 PM on March 26, 2003 | IP
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I just wanted to say that I agree with "guest", for the most part. Yes, slavery is wrong and immoral. Yes, the Civil War was about a lot more than slavery, it was about economy, politics, and lifestyle as well. What I don't agree with is that the southern states had the right to secede. We won the Revolution by uniting together, and it was cowardice on the part of the south to try and bail out when the going got tough. I could go on and on on this subject, but suffice it to say:"united we stand, divided we fall."[color=lime]


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Posts: 8 | Posted: 3:05 PM on April 4, 2003 | IP
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Each of the original 13 states accepted the Articles of Confederation and perpetual union.  By doing so didn't the states give up all right to secession?
 


Posts: 12 | Posted: 12:47 PM on May 10, 2003 | IP
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On the issue of secession (from another post in another thread)... you can't look to the Constitution for the right to secede.  All you get is Article IV and the tenth amendment:  You can't argue Article IV section 3, clause 2 respecting United States Property (i.e. Fort Sumter).  Perhaps Section 4, dealing with protection from invasion but that has to be considered after the firing on Fort Sumter, not before.  Both Lincoln and Davis knew this which is why neither wanted to be the first to fire a shot (way to go governor of South Carolina and Beauregard).  Likewise, the 10th Amendment only deals with the powers to be exercised by the states instead of by the nation, but not the right to secede.

Now Jefferson (Author of Dec. of Independence) and Madison (Father of the Constitution) both supported the idea of nullification in the Kentucky & Virginia Resolutions against the Alien & Sedition Acts.  Calhoun later took the nullification debate and threatened secession, even getting the state of South Carolina to pass resolutions regarding a break. This prompted southern, slaveholder, President Jackson, to threaten them with troops.  Carolina backed down, but the issue of secession was not settled.  

Perhaps that failure to settle it is a "pocket" acknowledgement of the right.  That's what 1860 southerners claimed, but you won't find it in the Constitution.

Ultimately, it was two different ways of life.  Yes, slavery, but perhaps more (perhaps not) was rural versus growing urban... modern, European-like cities versus classical southern traditions... and definitely the perceived threat that came from having a muted voice in the seat of power:  Washington...  the House was already dominated by northerners, and Lincoln was elected without even appearing on the ballots of five southern states.

Also, South Carolina did not secede and hold its independence for a full year before the war, but only 3-1/2 months from late December 1860 to April 14, 1861 during the administration of Buchanan who, while not recognizing a right to secede, did nothing so as to leave it as Lincoln's problem in March.  

 


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Well, this is very suprising. Some people who actually know the real cause of the Civil War. By the way it was succession, NOT slavery; at least until the Battle of Antietam. The only thing that I have to add, is the opinion that many people have of the attitude of not only the southerners of that time, but the northerners as well.
A general correct statement for this time would be that nearly everyone living in America was racist, including northerners. Just because the north did not allow slavery, doesn't mean they did not have incredibly racist attitudes. Pertaining to the south, the reason for sucession was rights as well as slavery. The reason that many of the southerners were in favor of sucession and did not have slaves, was their dream to someday own a plantation or many slaves. I am not saying that all people in the south wanted slaves, but hard was it to find either someone who didn't own slaves or had the dream to do so. All three sides were somewhat liable for the civil war, and almost everyone was racist!(Unfortunately)

Oh, and by the way. Nowhere in the constitution does it say- "If you get your nose all out of joint by the way this DEMOCRATIC country is being run, you can run out of here." If that is written in some hidden clause or amendment I haven't seen, please bring it to my attention.
 


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