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The Democrats are evil and the government should be Republican for the time :P

No one likes my detailing of Democratic blunders, so they're gone. This forum needs a lot more conservative voice...

(Edited by Broker 12/9/2002 at 4:50 PM).


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I did not read that. After the first few sentences it was clear that I was only going to end up dumber for reading. The concept of an unchecked government, which you complain democrats prevent,  whether it be left or right wing, is extremely anti-american and a sure path to disaster.
 


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It's more of a post detailing some Democratic blunders that have cost us all. It's not calling for any kind of unchecked government--More why the Republicans are a better fit to the nation in the current time. t's written from a right perspective... maybe someone should write about Republican blunders that have cost us all.

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hmmm, maybe the cutting of government programs and the tax breaks on the rich? perhaps?  i know that ur going to rebuke that statement, but you asked what we thought was a republican blunder. well, thats it


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The top 10% pay around 70% of the taxes... cutting those taxes for rich people gives them more money to invest. Everyone did get some money out of those tax cuts... We're in deficit spending! I know Democrats like to spend a lot of money, but there's nothing to spend on programs right now.

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Broker....exactly what is it that you're trying to argue?

Is it that Democrats are evil?
Why Reps. should take over?
What?


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of course we're running out of money!!! we're giving more money to the rich!! did you know that half of the nation's wealth comes from 5% of the national population?


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awww, poor bill gates!! the government is taking all of his money away!!!!


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Then he won't be able to invest in all those companies... Oh well! Let's just forget about new technology, jobs, aqnd creating wealth so we can have the Democrats spend more money! Ugh!


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Broker, the problem with giving money to the rich is that they are likely to do one of three things with the money
1) save it. doesn't help economy
2) spend it on that 4th ferrari. helps only the luxury goods segment of economy (a miniscule and often overseas part) and is morally repugnant when Joe on the street is starving because we can't afford a decent welfare to work program
3) will invest it. if he does that he can do it 3 ways:
a) put in  "safe" investments, cds, bonds, mutual funds. doesn't help economy.
b) puts it in stock market. unless he's investing in an IPO, the money is just being traded from rich person to rich person. only helps out financial sector.
c) actually use it as venture capital, which would help the economy. This, however, is rare for 2 reasons, first that banks, not individual rich people are the primary investors for venture capital, second, that in an economic downturn the upside isn't as evident so a and b are more appealing investment options. And even if they overcome all of that, the vast majority of venture capital investments fail. so its really a shot in a million that tax break to the rich will stimulate the economy in any real way. Or have we already forgotten Reagan/Bush Trickle down economics? Under their reign we incurred more debt than under every president from Washington through Carter, and to what gain? a slumping economy that didn't revive until Clinton's targetted tax cuts in the 90s.
Wealth is created from the bottom up. The poor are the most likely to spend the money and pump it directly into the economy. Therefore, federal economic stimulus packages should be aimed at the lower and middle classes.


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well said, dsa


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the rich do not need to get any more richer, believe me


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So you feel that because someone is richer more of there money on a percent scale should be taken away?  Why shouldn't it be a flat rate?  Why should someone build a company from scratch, bill gates, become a billionaire only to be taxed incredibly larger percent amount then the rest of the nation.  If you keep on like that won't communism on an economic scale take over sooner or later?  Why punish the rich for being rich.


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The economy was doing fine under the first Bush... the media created an economic crisis that didn't exist. Go look back at financial records or any history book. Clinton's economic success was the result of the Regan tax cuts.
 


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hahahahaha, that was very funny. the economy sucked during both the Reagan and Bush administrations. our country was in huge debt and unemployment was sky high. and to answer tsmith, i think a flat tax is very unfair to the poor and a progressive tax is what we need. the rich can definitly afford to pay a higher percentage. maybe it will mean that they wont be able to buy that fifth car, but it may also mean that a poor person will be able to receive more services from the government


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Skyhigh tax rates? they paid 38% before the bush tax cut. Oh, save me from the evil tax man! Are you subscribing to the WSJ's "lucky duckies" theory too?


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I don't understand how you think rich should be punished for being rich.


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The economy was on an upturn. Cliton economic success was the result of Regan tax cuts. The media did create the crisis that caused Clinton to win the election. The economy was not doing bad, Democrats said it was doing bad, and people believed it. Check all the econmoic indicators you want.


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Clinton really didn't do anything to boom the economy although he is given credit for it.  With the computer boom of the 90's any president could have done good.


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I believe the economy moves in cycles. Reagon was in a down cycle. Clinton was in an up cycle. HOWEVER, Reagons policies made that downturn worse, and Clinton turned a normal bull economy into the biggest economic boom in the last century.
Lets see the people believed it was bad. The indicators believed it was good. Who am I supposed to believe, a mathamatical formula or the people actually facing job losses and salary cuts? tough call.


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the fact of the matter is, inflation was sky high in the 1980s and unemployment was very high too. THE RICH DO NOT NEED ANY MORE MONEY!!! why cant they share with people who are not so fortunate?


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They're investing in companies... thats' creating jobs and wealth. But those evil rich people... I guess they don't do anyone good.


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Why should they be punished on the sole purpose of being rich, fallingupwards you are a big anti-discrimination guy, why should the rich be punished for being rich?


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Quote from Broker at 10:21 PM on December 7, 2002 :
The Democrats are evil and the government should be Republican for the time :P

No one likes my detailing of Democratic blunders, so they're gone. This forum needs a lot more conservative voice...

(Edited by Broker 12/9/2002 at 4:50 PM).


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Tsmith, you have to explain to me how a progressive tax system is a punishment to the rich. Because it is an unequal burden? Then capitalism itself is a punishment to the poor.
Broker, see my previous post on why investment in the stock market doesnt create anything except make the rich richer.


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how in God's name is investing in the stock market gonna help a homeless person in a metropolitan city? capitalism sucks!!! we need socialism!!!


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did you know that the assets held by the wealthiest one percent of americans exceeds the net worth of those in the bottom 90 percent? and you still wanna give the rich tax breaks?


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How is an even tax a break to the rich?


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because they can afford to pay a higher percentage of taxes. the poor cannot


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and can you please answer my question? how is investing in the stock market going to help out the homeless or single working mothers?


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By uplifting the stock market companies hire more people so inturn single mothers and poorer people get more jobs.  And what does it matter if the rich can afford to pay more on a percent scale, does that make it right?


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yes it does because then that means the poor dont have to pay as much taxes and can afford food and shelter


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how does a market upturn effect non-financial (I.E. Meryll Lynch, Morgan Stanley) companies? The money being invested doesnt ever reach there pockets. What would make them hire more people?


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He said investing in the stock market, not bonds.  And to answer your guestion investing like that helps ensure the families future which should be number one on the list of priorities.


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are you saying that poor families should invest in the stock market?


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ok. from a person who used to be a columnist on an investment website, a brief primer on basic investment.
When u buy stock, you are not buying it from the company. You are buying it from someone else who is selling it somewhere. So buying stock doesnt give any money to the companies, rather, it gives money to Person X (likely rich person X or mutual fund X) who is selling. No benefit there.
Investing insures future? sure...if the stocks go up. If they go down, then u've got a problem.


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Alot of buying on the stock market is bought from the actually company owners in order to build up their capitol in order to make some big moves.  When I was talking about insuring families futures I was referring to ipo's, bonds and things like that.


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Please explain how the company gets money invested. Even assuming that it is the company owners selling the stock (unlikely, they wouldnt be owners if they kept on selling stock like that), the money they get goes into their pockets, not the company  tresuary. The company cant touch it.
And did I hear (Read?) you right? IPO'S insure a families future???? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Maybe bonds will. But there are easier ways to insure a families future.


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not all families can afford stocks


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How's this for another conservative voice?


The presidency is capped at 10 years by the 22nd amendment to the constitution, NOT 8, which means George W can run as VP in 2008.

The only barrier to George W. Bush serving a historic full third term in office, is the 22nd Amendment. It was originally passed to keep liberals like FDR from staying in power for too long.

Now, thankfully, there's a movement to repeal this amendment. The nation has changed, and the recent elections make it clear that Americans are no longer listening to the empty promises of Liberal politicians. The threat of another FDR has clearly passed, and it's time to stop restricting our presidents.

If we Repeal the 22nd Amendment  in time, George W can run as PRESIDENT in 2008, and not just VP.

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Quote from Broker at 10:21 PM on December 7, 2002 :
The Democrats are evil and the government should be Republican for the time :P

No one likes my detailing of Democratic blunders, so they're gone. This forum needs a lot more conservative voice...

(Edited by Broker 12/9/2002 at 4:50 PM).

How are democrats evil? you explain this to me via e-mail. the forum has plenty of conservative voice. just look at debategirl88





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Quote from cornswalled at 8:44 PM on October 12, 2005 :
How's this for another conservative voice?


The presidency is capped at 10 years by the 22nd amendment to the constitution, NOT 8, which means George W can run as VP in 2008.

The only barrier to George W. Bush serving a historic full third term in office, is the 22nd Amendment. It was originally passed to keep liberals like FDR from staying in power for too long.

Now, thankfully, there's a movement to repeal this amendment. The nation has changed, and the recent elections make it clear that Americans are no longer listening to the empty promises of Liberal politicians. The threat of another FDR has clearly passed, and it's time to stop restricting our presidents.

If we Repeal the 22nd Amendment  in time, George W can run as PRESIDENT in 2008, and not just VP.

(Edited by admin 10/13/2005 at 07:39 AM).


the librals like FDR saved our asses from Nazi and Japanese domination. it was not for liberals but for all presedents.



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There is absolutely no difference between the two parties.  A cursory analysis of the behaviors of those that ascend to the upper levels of the Executive branch, be they Republican or Democrat, will quickly reveal this.

Both parties pursue agendas that include the nationalization of countless programs, and both support massive, unchecked immigration from the Third World.  Both parties are Liberal.


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