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who were the best and worst presidents?


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Posts: 971 | Posted: 05:13 AM on December 12, 2002 | IP
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By far the worst in my lifetime was Reagan.  Historically I think Lincoln was probably the greatest.
 


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i agree with the bad president part. ronald reagan absolutly sucked. but you also have to keep in mind other republicans such as Warren G Harding and Herbert Hoover. actually Hoover might be my pick for worst president ever (with Reagan as a close second). the best, of course, is FDR. what he did for this country is absolutly amazing


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Worst: Reagon, Harding, Hoover
Best: TR, FDR, Wilson, Truman


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i agree exactly dsa...now all we need is madbilly and broker to come in here and worship the ground reagan walks on and accuse FDR of being an evil communist.


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unfortunantely i think the best in the 1900's was nixon, he ended nam, and he helped americans everywhere, not mention i am distantly related to him
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hmmm, a little bias there? and for your information, nixon should have ended nam alot sooner than he did...he dragged out that war so long it wasnt even funny


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I love Jimmy Carter, he was a great man (which you can't say about many Presidents) and he was a good President.


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Jimmy Carter was perhaps the friendliest and coolest president ever. unfortunatly, his domestic policy wasnt so hot


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It's no secret I know nothing of politics.


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Let's see... worst and best presidents...

Worst: Carter
Best: Reagan

Carter just did a lot of stupid things. He was  a good man, though. I suppose that quality was what made him make so many horrible choices.

Reagan ended communism and his tax cuts lead to the economic boom of the 1990s. He was a great man who did a lot for the country.

I don't think I'd call FDR a communist... What was wrong with Reagan?

(Edited by Broker 12/13/2002 at 07:33 AM).


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hmmmm lets see. this is a tough one to answer because of our differnent point of views. in my point of view, reagan was a bad president because he cut welfare programs, deregulated alot of industry, was against any civil rights legislation, and overfunded the military. but in your point of view, this is a good thing. i think we can both agree however that he ran a horrible deficit his whole administration and the national debt soared.


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its hard for me to hate on carter, and lemme tell you why. i think to be the worst president ever you need not only to have bad policies but to also be an unfriendly jerk. jimmy carter was a great guy, so its hard for me to hate on him. what about hoover? or grant? some argue that grant was the worst president in history


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Carter was the best post-president. As prez, he wasnt so hot. The only market action that can be attributed to Reagen is the crash of '87.


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I wasn't talking just about the stock market. Reagan's tax cuts lead to the 1990s ecomonic boom...


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how so? his tax cuts led to a huge deficit


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and I think the theory that giving money to the rich stimulates the economy has been adequatly debunked.


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I'd still have to disagree. YOu people hate rich people... Rich people keep saving the country. Remember how one of them used his own fortune to save the nation in the early 1900s? Of course not... That's when they created the Federal Reserve, and I bet Greenspan was running it... throwing in some humor.

Rich people invest in companies, whch creates jobs and wealth, thus stimulating the economy.


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Good God, do you ever pay attention? As a member of the upperclass (I am not a self hating rich person, just someone with his priorities in line), I still submit that the economy is driven from the bottom. Yes, Mr. Morgan did save the nation at the turn of the century (from its own ridiculously pro-business policies of course) but what do you expect? That a bunch of poor people will gather together a fund to do it? Yes for big time direct investment projects the rich are best suited to do this, but how often does that happen? Most of the time it is banks and corporations that do it, not individual rich people.
And for the last time: Investing money DOESNT HAVE THE SLIGHTEST IMPACT ON JOB PRODUCTION!!! It is money traded from rich person to rich person, nothing goes to the company whose name is being traded! Trust a former investment columnist on this ok?

(Edited by dsadevil 12/15/2002 at 1:10 PM).


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It does. New company offers shares to rich person, has them on their board. Rich person owns a lot of the stock, they can hire more people, etc, etc.


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a crash or a major falling in the stock market is what has caused the great depression and the recession that we are currently in. A company that has a lot of lay offs is what causes unemployment obviously and unemployed people dont spend money on things other than necessities.


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lets save the arguments about the economy and taxes for the tax debate forum. this is a president forum


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what, falling, are we suddenly going to ban tangents? half of this site is illegal in that case.
Once again, Broker, you display an incredibly stubborn lack of knowledge on the stock market. What you are referring to is a venture capitalist, which is usually done by banks or a very very few extraordinarly wealthy people. This would be like the top .00001% we're talking about. If we want to be nice to them, tax cuts to the entire upper class is a very blunt object to do it with. But the fact that a rich person owns stock in a company doesnt suddenly mean they can hire people whereas a company without that rich guy cant. all companies can hire people. having a rich person who owns stock in the company doesnt make it any harder or easier to do. Having a rich FINANCIER (something entirely different) would help, but again, thats usually banks, not individuals.
Madbillys argument is closer to the mark but reverses the cause and effect. the market falls because something is structurally unsound in the economy (P/E ratios are skyhigh for example or worse, PEG ratios are skyhigh), not the other way around. The market acts first because it is speculative, it acts on what is going to happen later, not now. So it sees a problem in the economic condition and plummets, predicting it before the effects show themselves. Then the economy falls as a result of what the market predicted slightly in advance.


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Nothing you can say will change what I say, so this debate might as well end.


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Quote from Broker at 7:43 PM on December 17, 2002 :
Nothing you can say will change what I say, so this debate might as well end.


Translation: I won't change my views just because they have just been proven factually inaccurate and morally wrong. The whole principle of debating hinges on the premise that people have the intellectual honesty to change their views if they see that they are wrong. By not following that premise, you corrupt the very principle of debate. You are posting presumably to persuade me to be more conservative, but if you are at all honest you treat that as a two way street. I know I debate so I can become and try to make others a better citizen, not to blindly and absolutely maintain my own viewpoints at all costs.



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Clinton is by far the worst.  One of the roles of the president is to be the Cheif Citizen.  What did he teach us?  Its ok to do illegal drugs, its ok to cheat on your wife, its ok to sleep with the women at work, it is ok to use your power to make them lie about it, and it is certainly ok to lie about it all under oath.  He taught America some valuble lessons, and the corruption and immoralty of modern society proves it.

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I don't think what you're saying is correct, and just because you say it is doesn't mean it is.


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hmmmm sakata, obviously you dont know your precious republican presidents very well. the bush family is guilty of most of the charges that you gave clinton. Bush Jr, his daughters, and Jeb Bush were all at one point using crack, which is much worse than marijuana. and Bush Sr lied in the 1988 campaign when he said "no new taxes"


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Lets take a look at gw bush.  Admitted alcholic, known cocaine user, awol from national guard for last year of commitment, arrested three times (DWI, shoplifiting, destruction of property).  Wife who ran stop sign and killed ex-boyfriend when she was sixteen.  Twin daughters following in dad's footsteps as alcholic and drug users.  That is sure a good family for "chief citizen".
 


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You really can't help what your kids do. Al Gore is having some trouble with his son too...

Most people make mistakes, fact. It happened, but that doesn't mean it's still happening.


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i was just responding to sakata's claim that bush is a very moral man


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Broker, if you care to note, I am not just basing my arguments on "Because I say so." I base them in logical economic arguments, cause and effect. If you care to refute them, I'd be glad to hear it.

If we are going by whose lies did the most harm to the country, can I hear a nomination for Mr. Reagan? Lets weigh him against Clinton. Lied about selling weapons to terrorists...lied about sex. Hmmm...toughie. But don't worry Sakata! One of Reagan's top lieutenants in the Iran-Contra scandal (convicted of lying under oath but overturned on appeal), Admiral John Poindexter, is in charge of Bush's new central database on all of america's citizen's information (as reported by The Economist)! So he must be trustworthy right?


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welcome back dsa. nice to have another liberal join the debates (finally). it seems this website is now overrun by ultra-conservatives like david, broker, and pie


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Ha! This site has much more liberal voice than conservative! This is a very liberal place!


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You know, I have never heard a liberal ever say that rich people putting money in the stock market doesn't create jobs and wealth on any of the political shows I have seen. The only problems they seem to have with tax cuts to the rich is that they don't think the rich people will invest the money.

I'm just not sure what to think anymore, dsadevil. You tell me rich people have no effect, yet you are the only one who has told me that. I think I;d rather believe all the other people.


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rich people do have an effect...they take advantage of the poor


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Ugh... I'm just going to refer to my reply in your push for socialism.


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To be honest, I have never figured out the whole "investment to push the economy" thing. It doesn't make sense. I used to be an investment columnist and I STILL don't think it makes sense. Investing in the stock market can make individuals wealthy, but it doesn't seem to be a major effector on a major scale for the arguments I posted earlier. Any rebuttals to that logic? B/C I agree, it seems weird that everyone is investment obsessed for no reason at all. But the logic so far has gone unchallenged.


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It seems like it works to me... Small company starts up, private stock offering, rich person buys stock, company gets money, hires. Company grows and generates wealth.

I wasn't really thinking along the lines of public companies or big corporations if that's what you thought, because that usually is trading money from rich person to rich person or company to company.


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oh absolutely IPOs stimulate the economy (well, good ones do anyway). but they constitute such a minute portion of the overall market (compared to big companies and companies already on the market) that it seems there are more tailored ways of stimulating the economy than this.


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I'd think it would work well... if you have hundreds of the companies start up every so often they'd create a good amount of jobs, wealth.

(Edited by Broker 12/30/2002 at 10:33 PM).


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Posts: 351 | Posted: 10:31 PM on December 30, 2002 | IP
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it seems to me to summarize the job of the president is two-fold: uphold the constitution and protrect the Union. i find it interesting that most of the best presidents had a lot of trouble doing a good job of both at the same time. maybe that means in times of crisis the office of presidentr is inherently contradictory...or maybe we need to set higher standards for our presidents.

i really like Lincoln cause he kept the Union together, but he suspended habeus corpus, and i am not entirely sure he was as much the patron saint of black people as people make him out to be.

i really like FDR for ending the Depression and winning the war in Europe (same for Truman in Pacific), but he did inter Japanese-Americans, which is pretty disgusting.

I think Wilson was good for the League of Nations, but he stomped on a lot of people during the Red Scare.

I like GW, cause he set the precedent for democratic transition, but his foreign policy legacy led us into isolationism.

I think Nixon was a scumbag.

I don't get why Republicans worship Reagan so much. No, take that back, I do get it. Itr's just dumb.

Clinton had bad foreign policy in my opinion (some no entirely his fault, it's those darn wimpy Europeans mucking stuff up...), but I think he saved our economy and was just super-cool (and probably the smartest president in decades).

a comment about clinton and GW, Jr. - a betr Sakata will have nothing to say about GW's illegal activities, because the mainstay of most conservative arguments is the complete ignorance of basic facts. she won't address it, or if she does, she will just say "I don't know, that must be exaggerated" or some crap like that. "He's such a moral man!"

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alex, do you think isolationism is a bad thing? i think washington's greatest legacy was his foreign policy.

and i hope joe leiberman becomes prez in 2004


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Posts: 971 | Posted: 09:04 AM on January 1, 2003 | IP
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ah lieberman...not exactly a first choice among democrats for gays in america.

yes, i think isolationism is a bad thing. we are the most powerful nation in the world, and we (theoretically) believe in dignity and liberty, so why should that just be for Americans? we ought to help people in need, as much as possible, and be a model for political change, and yes, kick some dictator ass now and then.

at the end of the holocaust, people said never again. well, we already missed the boat a couple of times since then. you may say we make more people hate us when we get involved in things, but I believe the historical record shows people resent us more not for intervention, but rather for abandonment.


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I'm with alex. I dislike isolationism, and i dislike joe lieberman. John Kerry rules!


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but the reason why so many nations hate us is because we dont mind our own business. i guarantee you if we were isolationist, we would not have a problem with terrorism in this country


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Posts: 971 | Posted: 7:32 PM on January 1, 2003 | IP
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No the reason nations hate us is that we are unilateralist and act without a international mandate.


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and guess what? if we were isolationist, we wouldnt have to be unilateralist


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true, but we can be intrerventionist multilateralists just as easily. Us being isolationist led to WWII.


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The reason everyone hates us is because we (the usa) use up 80 percent of the worlds resources. (thats what my history teacher told me) And because we are the richest and most powerful country in the world they are probably just jealous.


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