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I am interested to see what your guys take on this is.  Personally I think it is ridiculous.  First of all it was not a racist statement, he said it at the guys 100th birthday party for goodness sake.  He was merely trying to flatter an old man, and the Democrats took it and ran with it to try to get dirt on him.  If I say I like George Washington does that mean I hate black people because Washington owned slaves?

Secondly, if this was indeed a racist statement, who cares?  This is a country of free speech, since when do you have to apologize for holding an opinion that is contrary to the popular belief?  If I were Trent, I wouldn’t apologize for saying what I believe (and I would probably be kicked out of office for it too).  Bushes little speech condemning it totally lowered my respect for him.  Did anyone else see the strings controlling the puppet?  



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Posts: 293 | Posted: 10:54 PM on December 16, 2002 | IP
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strom thurmond's entire 1948 campaign was based on segregation. and actually, i agreed with bush for one of the first times ever when he condemned lott for what he said. and how can u possibly say that the Democrats just want to get dirt on him when republicans are asking him to resign as well?


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Posts: 971 | Posted: 11:30 PM on December 16, 2002 | IP
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Republicans just want black voters. If he is racist, he should not have to apologize for it.


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Posts: 293 | Posted: 11:47 PM on December 16, 2002 | IP
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I am lost here, what happened?


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Posts: 372 | Posted: 02:14 AM on December 17, 2002 | IP
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I'm just amazed you had respect for Bush to lose.
 


Posts: 193 | Posted: 02:19 AM on December 17, 2002 | IP
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Trent Lott is absolutely a racist.  This is not an isolated incident, he has made many such statements in the past.  He will not be majority leader after the republicans meet in January.  They realize he would be way too much baggage for the republican party during the 2004 election.  Not only does his statement offend blacks, but whites who are not racist themselves are offended by his statement.  Trent is history as majority leader.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 05:48 AM on December 17, 2002 | IP
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Quote from tsmith2771 at 02:14 AM on December 17, 2002 :
I am lost here, what happened?






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Posts: 372 | Posted: 3:01 PM on December 17, 2002 | IP
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Sakata you are correct, he has the right to be a racist (which he is, the voting record is there to prove it). Bush, republicans, and every one else also have the right (and if they have any respect for themselves, obligation) to condemn those racist sentiments. Free speech does not mean we think that all speech is good. It means we cant take legal action against speakers. If Bush said "Lott is wrong, and I will charge him with "Crime X" and seek 5 years prison time" that would be a violation of free speech. Condemning other speech, however is free speech too.


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Posts: 789 | Posted: 6:21 PM on December 17, 2002 | IP
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Some of his voting record can be explained...

I watched that party on C-SPAN before any of this broke out, and nothing about what he said struck me as racist. He was trying to make the man happy, and on the problems he referred to, I think he was talking about terrorism. You know Sharpton and Jackson aren't there when people are looking for them, but you sure shouldn't have been surprised when they started making a huge deal out of this...


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Posts: 351 | Posted: 6:42 PM on December 17, 2002 | IP
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terrorism? what precisely, did Thurmonds campaign have to do with defense? Lott used that excuse in apology #2, but then realized that Thurmond barely had a defense platform at all (other than defending whites from black encroachment).
Go ahead, Broker. Explain the vote against the Voting Rights Act extension. Explain the vote against making the MLK day holiday (even thurmond voted for that). Explain the vote against the 1990s civil rights act. Please. Go ahead. We await your prompt response.


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Posts: 789 | Posted: 10:17 PM on December 17, 2002 | IP
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i think his statement should be taken as seriously as the environment it was given in. Go to yahoo news..there is a good article on it. A black congressman gave a good description of what he thought about it. You can see from this that all of the things he has done for the black community in MIssissippi speaks greater than his words. Also he didnt say he supported  Strom Thurmond..he said his state did, Trent lott was only 7 years old when he ran for president, so how could he have supported him. And you act like strom only had one plank on his platform when he ran for president in 1948. Also this was in 1948 and civil rights were not passed until 1964 so the democrat that won office really didnt fix the problem either and no one did for 16 years after strom ran for president.


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Posts: 451 | Posted: 12:03 AM on December 18, 2002 | IP
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For the love of god will someone please explain to me what was said and where.


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tsmith:  Just read any newspaper, look at any news on television, listen to any news on radio that is all they are talking about.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 05:43 AM on December 18, 2002 | IP
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"I am proud to say that my state voted for mr. Thurmond when he ran for president in 1948. And if the rest of nation had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems."-Lott
at Thurmonds 100th birthday party.
Lott has done good things for his black community in Mississippi. He has done horrible things for them in the nation as a whole. The magnitude of good actions vs. bad clearly leans to the bad side.
Tell me, madbilly, what WERE thurmonds other planks in 1948? His entire campaign WAS based on segregation. Preventing the federal government from ending segregation, from stopping the states from segregating, even from passing anti-lynching laws. That was Thurmonds entire platform, start to finish.
Truman didnt pass the civil rights act, but he did win passage of the end of segregation in the military, and fought avidly for the passage of civil rights act. Eisenhower (a republican) just didnt care, then Kennedy and Johnson got it done in the early sixties.


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Posts: 789 | Posted: 6:10 PM on December 18, 2002 | IP
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One good way to understand the true feelings behind the rhetoric of our polished so called leaders is to see how they act, and hear what they say in informal settings with their associates.  These comments are more truthful than the rehearsed, scripted, media friendly sound bites uttered in front of reporters.  So, what Trent Lott said off the cuff like this, is a better way to find out what he truly feels then what he says at more formal settings.

"I want to say this about my state, when Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him.  We're proud of it.  And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years either."  Trent Lott, to Strom Thurmond and America

"There's not enough troops in the army to force the southern people to break down segregation and admit the nigger race into our theaters, into our swimming pools, into our homes, and into our churches!"  Strom Thurmond in 1948 running for President as a segregationist.

The first question that comes to mind is why was anyone even there celebrating the birthday of the most powerful and infamous living segregationist in America today?  And why did it take the media until now to expose Trent Lott for the racist he is?  Anyone who has listened to or read what Lott has said over the last 25 years knows he is a racist.






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I said some of his record, not all. Mr. Lott is opposed to all new federal holidays, which is why he voted against the MLK holiday.

I think he meant the terrorist problem when he said something about not having problems. I don't think he meant anything about segregation.

Just throw the old man out on his wheelchair if you people want. Trent was just trying to make him happy...

Lott has a lot of people in his party mad at him for working with the Democrats more often than they think he should. I guess that means that the Republicans shouldn't work with the Democrats more often because nothing good is resulting...



(Edited by Broker 12/19/2002 at 07:36 AM).


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Posts: 351 | Posted: 07:34 AM on December 19, 2002 | IP
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first of all, tsmith what planet are you from to not know what happened with trent lott? secondly, broker explain to me how we would not have a terrorist problem if we had elected Thrumond in as president in 1948.


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Posts: 971 | Posted: 08:20 AM on December 20, 2002 | IP
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That's what I think he was referring to. I watched the whole thing and that's what I thought he meant.


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Posts: 351 | Posted: 10:02 AM on December 20, 2002 | IP
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If terrorism is what he meant he would have said so when he apologized.  Instead, he apologized for racially offensive remarks.  I can see why you are such a strong supporter of republicans, you don't understand english.
 


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broker, you never answered my question. how could one interpret what Lott said to mean terrorism, not segregation


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You all know that this was caused by one person, right? A few days after the party this came out. Someone talked to the press about what Thurmond ran on or something.

What would of happened had Lott not apologized for the remarks? How much worse would it have been?


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Posts: 351 | Posted: 8:55 PM on December 21, 2002 | IP
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do you understand english, broker? i asked you how could one interpret what Lott said to mean terrorism, not segregation


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That's how I personally interpreted it... Nothing about segregation came out until days later. Like I said, one person caused this whole mess.

Now the Republicans are better off, though. Frist is huge in the African HIV fight and goes to Africa to do heart surgery for free on his vacations. The Democrats ought to give it up... they're only hurting themselves now.


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Whose hurting? Everyone wants the country/world to be better, so Frist's humanitarean deeds are a good thing not bad. SOME OF US look at people based on goodness, not political affiliation. Now if Frist only wasnt so cozy to the Pharmaceutical industry...(oh, and hadn't worked to disenfranchise black voters in the election of '02)


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