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The reason why government exist have changed. Instead of them existing for defense, they now exist to help the people.


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Posts: 351 | Posted: 9:10 PM on January 22, 2003 | IP
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http://acetjcom.vwh.net/rj/Theory/Carlyle.htm

The Best Enemies Money Can Buy

From Hitler To Saddam Hussein to Osama bin Laden – Insider Connections and the Bush Family’s Partnership with Killers of Americans

Brown Brothers, Harriman - BNL- and the Carlyle Group

Since the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, major media powerhouses and the increasingly influential alternative media alike have begun to focus attention on Bush family connections and a long history of arming and financing America’s attackers in the months and years prior to the outbreak of war. Recent stories in the Wall Street Journal (Sept. 27 & 28, 2001), ABC News (Oct. 1, 2001), as well as a host of reports from so-called alternative news sources have begun to focus attention on the Bush family’s profit-making role in creating and arming our enemies.


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Adolph Hitler


George W. Bush’s grandfather, Prescott Bush, was the Managing Director of the investment bank Brown Brothers, ...and  served as the principal funding arm in helping to finance Adolph Hitler’s rise to power starting in 1923. This included direct funding for the SS and SA channeled through a variety of German firms. Prescott Bush, through associations with the Hamburg-Amerika Steamship line,... used the Union Bank Corporation to funnel vast quantities of money to the Nazis and to manage their American interests.
Early support for Hitler came from Prescott Bush through the Hamburg-Amerika Steamship line -- also funded by Brown Bothers -- that funneled large sums of money and weapons to Hitler’s storm troopers in the 1920s.


Furthermore, a 1942 U.S. government investigative report that surfaced during 1945 Senate hearings found that the Union Bank, with Prescott Bush on the board, ... produced:

-        50.8% of Nazi Germany’s pig iron

-        41.4% of Nazi Germany’s universal plate

-        36% of Nazi Germany’s heavy plate

-        38.5% of Nazi Germany’s galvanized sheet

-        45.5% of Nazi Germany’s pipes and tubes

-        22.1% of Nazi Germany’s wire

-        35% of Nazi Germany’s explosives

The business relationships established by Bush in 1923 continued even after the war started until they became so offensive and overt as to warrant seizure by the U.S. government under the Trading with the Enemy Act in 1942.

In 1942, “Under the Trading with the Enemy Act, the government took over Union Banking Corporation, in which Bush was a director. The U.S. Alien Property Custodian seized Union Banking Corp.’s stock shares…

Prescott Bush went on to become an influential Republican Senator from Connecticut who went on to be a regular golfing partner of President Dwight Eisenhower. His attorneys were the lawyers John Foster and Allen Dulles, the later became the CIA Director under Eisenhower.

Saddam Hussein

After becoming President in January 1989, Prescott Bush’s son, George Herbert Walker Bush – father of our current President – authorized a series of programs that not only armed Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein but also provided him with technology that assisted in his development of chemical weapons like Sarin gas, and biological weapons, which he still possesses. ... Bush directives and policies, including relationships with the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI), and the Banca Nazionale del Lavoro (BNL) were directly and deliberately responsible for creating the army the U.S. fought in 1991.

A story by Russ W. Baker, in the March/April issue the Colombia Journalism Review (CJR), provided the most compelling overview of Iraqgate that I have seen.

“ABC News Nightline opened last June 9 with words to make the heart stop ‘It is becoming increasingly clear,’ said a grave Ted Koppel, ‘that George Bush, operating largely behind the scenes throughout the 1980s, initiated and supported much of the financing, intelligence, and military help that built Saddam’s Iraq into the aggressive power that the United States ultimately had to destroy…

"We’ve learned that a vast network of companies, based in the U.S. and abroad, eagerly fed the Iraqi war machine right up until August 1990, when Saddam invaded Kuwait.

“And we’ve learned that the obscure Atlanta Branch of Italy’s largest bank, Banca Nazionale del Lavoro, relying partly on U.S. taxpayer-guaranteed loans, funneled $5 billion to Iraq from 1985 to 1989. ... U.S. taxpayers have been left holding the bag for what looks like $2 billion in defaulted loans to Iraq.

“… In fact, we now know that in February 1990, then Attorney General Dick Thornburgh [appointed by George H.W. Bush] blocked U.S. investigators from traveling to Rome and Istanbul to pursue the case…

“… As New York Times columnist William Safire argued last December 7, ‘Iraqgate is uniquely horrendous: a scandal about the Systematic abuse of power by misguided leaders of three democratic nations [The U.S., Britain, and Italy] to secretly finance the arms buildup of a dictator.”


The Carlyle Group, the Bushes and bin Laden

The warnings about the Carlyle Group, the nation’s 11th largest defense contractor, and the Bushes came long before the World Trade Center attacks. The Carlyle Group is a closely held corporation, exempt, for that reason, from reporting its affairs to the Securities and Exchange Commission. Little is known of what it actually does except that it buys and sells defense contractors. As of October 4, 2001, it has removed its corporate web site from the World Wide Web making further investigation through that channel impossible. Its Directors include Frank Carlucci, former Reagan Secretary of Defense; James Baker, former Bush Secretary of State; and Richard Darman, a former White House aide to Ronald Reagan and Republican Party operative.

On March 3, 2001, just weeks after George W Bush’s inauguration, the conservative Washington lobbying group Judicial Watch issued a press release. It said:

“(Washington, D.C.) Judicial Watch, the public interest law firm that investigates and prosecutes government abuse and corruption, called on former President George Herbert Walker Bush to resign immediately from the Carlyle Group, a private investment firm, while his son President George W. Bush is in office. Today's New York Times reported that the elder Bush is an "ambassador" for the $12 billion private investment firm and last year traveled to the Middle East on its behalf. The former president also helped the firm in South Korea.

“The New York Times reported that as compensation, the elder Bush is allowed to buy a stake in the Carlyle Group's investments, which include ownership in at least 164 companies throughout the world (thereby by giving the current president an indirect benefit). James Baker, the former Secretary of State who served as President George W. Bush's point man in Florida's election dispute, is a partner in the firm. The firm also gave George W. Bush help in the early 1990's when it placed him on one of its subsidiary's board of directors.

"This is simply inappropriate. Former President Bush should immediately resign from the Carlyle Group because it is an obvious conflict of interest. Any foreign government or foreign investor trying to curry favor with the current Bush Administration is sure to throw business to the Carlyle Group. And with the former President Bush promoting the firm's investments abroad, foreign nationals could understandably confuse the Carlyle Group's interests with the interests of the United States government," stated Larry Klayman, Judicial Watch Chairman and General Counsel.

"Questions are now bound to be raised if the recent Bush Administration change in policy towards Iraq has the fingerprints of the Carlyle Group, which is trying to gain investments from other Arab countries who [sic] would presumably benefit from the new policy," stated Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.”


.... Osama bin Laden’s attacks on the WTC and Pentagon, with the resulting massive increase in the U.S. defense budget have just made his family a great big pile of money.

 


Posts: 29 | Posted: 1:00 PM on January 24, 2003 | IP
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[b] The US IS GREAT SOCIALISM SUCKS THERE ARE A LOT MORE GREEDY AND LAZY COUNTRIES OUT THERE LIKE IRAQ AND N KOREA THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT THEMSELVES. AMERICANS ARE GOOD HARDWORKING PEOPLE WITH GOOD VALUES AND ARE NOT GREEDY. SO FUCK OFF
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 10:29 PM on February 19, 2003 | IP
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haha, feed the hungry and heal the sick, that is the funniest thing I have ever heard about America. If America does anything right, its because the people are willing to take direct action to change the enviroment they have been subject too. America manages to stay in power by crushing any foreign ways of running a government. Capitalism doesn't work for the majority, only for the rich, upper class. Who in turn work to keep the system running smooth through such means as crushing Socialist uprisings and things that openly disagree with the governments policies, unless of course you transfer this anger into other means of communication such as voting, which I will not begin to describe the inefficiencies of. A slanting popular media is used so it only shows its way of thinking, which usually is a lie anyways. If you have any doubt, think about how almost all media in America is owned by only 6 corporations, who in turn work together in the associated press. The government, major corporations, and religion have gathered into one corrupt power. America.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 11:08 PM on December 3, 2003 | IP
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wow, your ability to spew out exactly what you have been told, guest, is amazing, a few more years of such close-minded thoughts and you could become the government. Give thought a chance and you might realize that ultimately there is no unabolished argument to defend capitalism, other than a bunch of rich guys run the country so thats the way it will stay. I can only feel sorry for you, as it is you are probably middle-class and will never realized how many dollars have been taken directly out of your pocket, how you've been worked to exaustion under the guise of patriotism, and ultimately you will die with nothing but a bunch of kids more ignorant than yourself. How simply you hold onto your ideals without regard for how much better your life could be. But then again, maybe you enjoy being used, being a buffer between the rich and poor.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 11:16 PM on December 3, 2003 | IP
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Hmm so you believe that America is a horrible nation and yet you tread upon her soil as if it is nothing. Capitalism, Socialism, is it not the Cold War relived except this time in ideals? Look, it's bad enough we are still threatened by a nuclear holocaust. But to sit here some 50 some odd years after the start of the Cold War started is fruitless. Listen, it is ways to make money, hence "the almighty dollar." And I must disagree that "Mother Russia" will have the ability to turn from it's poverty since the ruling of the Czar's, and emerge as a superpower. If anyone is to be seen as a  possible challenge of America's so called "capitalistic dominance" over the western world it would have to be China.


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Posts: 8 | Posted: 01:55 AM on April 26, 2005 | IP
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They both suck. In either system, there are haves and have nots. We need to phase out money and have the economy work for us, not us work for the economy. Every person is entitled to have a minimum revenue (free food, free healthcare, free housing, etc.) Those that work are entitled to more. No person on this planet should be left behind.


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Posts: 68 | Posted: 9:22 PM on June 27, 2005 | IP
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This has turned into a bicker-fest like most political topics!

Doesnt anyone realize we need BOTH capitalism and socialism?   They do completely different things, both necessary.   Capitalism by nature is like economic darwinism...it kills off the weak in order to expand, increasing productivity.  But too much expansion in one place leads to bubbles and inbalances...like stocks and housing (sound familiar?)   So you need socialism to distribute the money...to prevent bubbles, or to keep the economy from stalling cuz nobody is spending...cuz only a few got the money, and they are hoarding.  

So what people need is balance...ahh...yes...good old moderation!   Extremes of any kind are no good.


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Posts: 5 | Posted: 02:23 AM on July 6, 2005 | IP
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Just to make it simple....

Capitalism is like adding production lines to a factory...if managed properly, it produces more and more.  

Socialism is like a truck.  it moves things around.

Anyone can see that factories without trucks will soon back up, and trucks without factories will have nothing to move around.

The more output from factories, the more trucks you will need.  Otherwise, imbalances occur, and the whole operation gets f**ked up.

Full speed economy means proper growth, reinvestment, and distribution of wealth, environmental, and raw material management.  

Any one amiss will soon derail your economy or social structure.  

*balance not bickering*


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Posts: 5 | Posted: 02:46 AM on July 6, 2005 | IP
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Listentome took the words right out of my mouth. I think this topic should be revived especially with ron paul gaining momentum.

You can't rely on the generousity of a ceo, and you can't expect the government to always be honorable with the people on spending habits. We need to split fianancial power with checks and balances. We need to displace our money instead create more and more because the wealthy hoard. We have to face it america, there is no such thing as economic freedom!
Our dollar will be worth 1 cent after the iraq war just wait and see.
 


Posts: 2 | Posted: 07:01 AM on September 20, 2007 | IP
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Quote from Broker at 9:10 PM on January 22, 2003 :
The reason why government exist have changed. Instead of them existing for defense, they now exist to help the people.


More like control people.


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Posts: 681 | Posted: 9:17 PM on October 9, 2007 | IP
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Like Broker said Socialism is a good idea, but it doesnt work in the long run


Russia for example.

The Russian government was overthrown by Nikolai Lenin, a communist or socialist, During his reign Russia's economy practically collapsed

  1n 1913 Russia produced 80 million tons of grain, 29 million tons of coal, 9.2 million tons of oil, 4.2 million tons of iron 4.3 million tons of steel, 1.3 million tons of sugar and 2039 million kilowatts of electricity.

And Russias people still complained.

In 1921, 4 or 5 years under Communist reign, note communism is a form of socialism.

Russia produced 37.6 million tons of grain, 9 million tons of coal, 3.8 million tons of oil, 0.1 million tons of iron, 0.2 million tons of Steel, 0.05 million tons of sugar, and 520 million kilowatts of electricity.


Not to mention the millions who died trying to overthrow him.


Yeah socialism sounds really helpfull.
 


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I however like to have my own things, I don't like the "thought police", I don't like starving, I don't like not being an individual, I do not like having my life micro managed. Have I made my point yet?

(Edited by SilverStar 4/27/2008 at 01:33 AM).


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Aye and an excellent point it is
 


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