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badler007

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The electoral college actually makes us less democratic then most parliaments.  It automatically limits us to two parties, and three times it has altered the will of the people in choosing a president.  Is it something that should be changed?  Is it evn possible to be changed?  I say that it will never be changed because the democrats and republicans reap in benefits of power from it.  However, although it does limit democracy, it makes us better organized.  India is the most democratic nation in the world, and look at their problems.


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Posts: 8 | Posted: 9:46 PM on October 16, 2002 | IP
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Man, this is an old post....badler you still here?

It does seem that the electoral college is outdated.  And, for the most part, it IS useless.
It basically seems like it's there because the people are too "stupid" to make any decisions.

The EC's purpose, though, is to prevent the tyranny of the majority over the minority.

Ex: Enough people could get together and vote in a Communist president, or a white-supremist; imagine how appealing a presidential candidate might sound to the majority (whites) when his/her motto is:

Are you tired of the minority groups having more rights than you?  Are you tired of immigrants being able to get government loans easier than you can?
Then vote for me!  I'll make sure that the majority rules in the U.S.!

The EC could step in and stop such a vote, and thus prevent a candidate like that from taking office.

What it boils down to is checks and balances on the fourth branch of gov't: the people.


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Posts: 110 | Posted: 02:29 AM on November 28, 2002 | IP
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i agree. the electoral college is an attack on democracy


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Posts: 971 | Posted: 1:24 PM on December 1, 2002 | IP
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I dunno... it seems that the EC makes sure that people from all over the country get represented. If it was straight popular vote, then it would only make sense to campaign in cities. Who would bother with Idaho, since no one lives there?


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Posts: 789 | Posted: 5:30 PM on December 2, 2002 | IP
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Falling, I'm always glad to have people agree with me, but when I said that the EC keeps checks and balances on the people, I meant that in a positive way.

I mean that is is good to keep a "check" on the people. that is, the majority group, to ensure that minorities are also represented.

I guess you could look at the EC in a good or bad way, it really boils down to "who" the majority group is at that particular time.


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Posts: 110 | Posted: 01:56 AM on December 3, 2002 | IP
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oh ok, i misunderstood your post


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Posts: 971 | Posted: 10:47 AM on December 3, 2002 | IP
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Up until now, I had thought that the electoral college should be thrown out. It takes away from democracy and is an insults to peoples intellegence to choose who they want to represent them.

But, dsa's point makes sense... I'm going to have to let that sit in my head for a while and think about it.

Also, if enough of the population is white-suprematist or homophobic to elect a white-suprematist or homophobic leader, then I feel the country should be too. Similarly, as it is now, if enough of the population wants equal rights, then a leader who supports equal rights should be choosen. I'de get my ass out of here if there was a white-supremitist leader, or enough of a population to vote for one, but, if there's enough people who want them for leader, then I think that's what should happen. And then, there should be some major court cases that nullify all the new laws becuase they're unconstitutional.

(Edited by mrmazet 1/18/2003 at 11:44 PM).
 


Posts: 122 | Posted: 11:44 PM on January 18, 2003 | IP
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"But, dsa's point makes sense" Music to my ears.
For the record, the country certainly COULD vote in a white supremist president (paging Pat Buchanan). But he would be somewhat powerless, as the constitution (specifically the 13-15th amendments) would put significant restraints on his power. But it would be a bad indicator for the nation as a whole.


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Posts: 789 | Posted: 12:41 AM on January 19, 2003 | IP
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the person who gets the most votes should not be the loser. the electoral college is to blame.


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Posts: 971 | Posted: 12:57 AM on January 19, 2003 | IP
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Really? I blame Katherine Harris (Excuse me, REPRESENTATIVE Katherine Harris, and boy is that painful) and a biased supreme court. But hey, whatever works y'know?


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Respect through Excellence only
 


Posts: 789 | Posted: 01:20 AM on January 19, 2003 | IP
    
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