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I live in Germany & we have a bad reputation at the moment mainly in the USA....the german population laughs about it..what do the americans think about it?
 


Posts: 2 | Posted: 06:03 AM on April 1, 2003 | IP
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Well although I can't speak for america as a whole, I see germany as somewhat spineless. That is to say that your representatives to the UN. This off course stems from the feet dragging by the german delegation during the issue of war in Iraq. Certainly they aren't as bad as the french (but who is), and it's understandable that they had certain monetary investments in Iraq. But I for one see the freedom of the Iraqi people as worth whatever price needs to be paid (and as a soldier in the US Infantry reserve), the price of blood included. The german people may laugh about it, but they wouldn't be laughing so hard if the us military bases were withdrawn from germany. And they sure as shit wouldn't be laughing if a dictator took control of germany (again) and subjected it to the same oppression that sadam hussein used on his citizens.


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Posts: 112 | Posted: 02:26 AM on May 17, 2003 | IP
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I look upon Germans who don't want to go to war as a good thing.
 


Posts: 12 | Posted: 08:33 AM on May 17, 2003 | IP
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If you're german (or french or russian) I totally understand why you wouldn't want to go to war. YOu've got money invested in Iraq. But the united states shouldn't have to sit by and let their people be threatened by terrorist networks because someone else has money involved. Most of america understands why you don't want to get involved. But you shouldn't tell us what is in our best interest.


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Posts: 112 | Posted: 12:41 AM on May 18, 2003 | IP
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I couldn't care less what nationality a person is- I respect ANYONES decision not to go to war!

(Are we now gonna change every food name with the word "German" in into "Freedom" too?)


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Posts: 53 | Posted: 11:31 PM on May 18, 2003 | IP
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Inu Yasha Girl- it's entirely your right to disagree with whatever the government does. But at least have the courage and decency to investigate the facts before you make a dicision on what to support and what to oppose. And try to look beyond your front porch when you do it.


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Posts: 112 | Posted: 04:56 AM on May 19, 2003 | IP
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I definitely respect Germans. I believe the brainwashing of American people has gone too far into making the American people believe Germany is worse off than America.

One thing I would like to mention about the German masses, is that music-wise they don't buy into shit as quickly as Americans. Last time I checked, 5 or 6 underground rappers from the BAY AREA were on their top 10 most sold hip-hop records list. Whereas, in America, we have no-talent puppets controlling our industry.


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Posts: 3 | Posted: 10:21 PM on July 24, 2003 | IP
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why on earth should any country go to war with another simply because the americans say so? pfff i wish the u.k. government had enough balls as the germans and french when it comes to dealing with the americans...i salute germany and france for their stance =)

and to that twat Stormcrow , spineless is wrong my friend . if they had dropeed everything and stood beside america then i would call it spineless. if america wants to run around the world and invade every country that upsets them then why the hell do they seem so suprised when things like9/11 happen? if u guys learned about other countries and respected them then perhaps they wouldnt fly planes into ur buildings

 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 1:42 PM on October 17, 2003 | IP
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That's a good point. Why should the rest of the world go to war when America tells it to when the "proof" it has is made up. America has constantly ignored the welfare of others in a bid to increase its' own power.
Let's have a look through history shall we.

Vietnam: America spends billions of dollars killing Vietnamise over 2million Vietnamise people in order to "save" them from communism (Which they are fighting for.)
Then, once they had got their ass's kicked they put trade embargoes on all goods going to Vietnam.

Oh, and during the war the Americans also went into Laos to hunt the Viet Cong, they didn't find any but they did set off a civil war.
Oh dear, 1.5 million people have to Die.
But that's just collateral damage isnt it.

And then there's World War 2. Japan was losing, they had already surrendered two days before the bombs were dropped, but America felt inclined to kill 300,000 civilians to "teach Japan a lesson."

Now lets look at the War in Iraq.
Why would Iraq not like America?
Because America has killed so many people.
Trade embargoes have killed 500,000+ people alone. America bombed a factory that was housing "weapons of mass destruction" then found out that it was producing medicine for the UN. Hundreds of people now have to die because of Malaria.

With a brilliant record so far why would the world not jump up and follow Americas lead into another glorios war?

Seriosly, anyone who thinks the War against Iraq is a good idea probably still believes in the tooth fairy.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 8:53 PM on November 18, 2003 | IP
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       Where did you get the crazy info about bombing Japan after the surrender. Read your history my friend, and not just history from your own country. Yes the Japanese Emperor wanted to surrender but the military which ran the country would not surrender until the A bomb.

Now lets look at WWI. In the process of keeping Germany out of France (what a mistake) 116,516  Americans die in combat keeping France free.

Now lets look at WWII. In the process of freeing the French people (another mistake)from Hitler and the Chinese people and others from the Japanese 405,399 Americans die.

You seemed to have forgoten those numbers.

It’s kind of a reoccurring thing here cleaning up other messes and freeing people from oppression.

You can thank France for Vietnam. French Army at Dien Bien Phu surrender to Ho Chi Minh.  And while your at it thanks France for letting both WWI and WWII getting to the point of armed global conflict.

France vs. Prussia - Franco-Prussian War 1870 A.D. (William I of Germany kicks the teeth out of Napoleon III - good old Willy proclaims himself emperor of Germany at the Palace of Versailles - can you say bitchslap?)  This all started because France opposed the unification of Germany - notice this starts a nasty chain of events that doesn't end till 1945...seems to me we can almost chalk up WWI and II on the dumbass French.  

France vs. Germany - WWI 1914-1918 A.D. (Germany beats the hell out of France - without the aid of USA,  France would be speaking German.  France only won because of Uncle Sam jumped in - then those dumbass sore-winners in  France impose an incredibly harsh Treaty of Versailles to 'punish' the Germans.  Notice the resulting conditions of this allowed the rise of an unknown Austrian named HITLER.

France vs. Germany - Rise of Hitler 1933-1939 A.D. (Germany bullies France into letting them take more territory - the wussies wouldn't even fight over it - they adopted a policy of 'appeasement' - can you say SCARED?)

France vs. Germany Round II - WWII June 22, 1940 A.D. (France surrenders to Hitler at Compiegne after putting up a fight that made Polish Army look good.  Notice Vichy France who quickly jumped ship to be friends with the Germans. And once again without the help of good old Uncle Sam the Atlantic Wall would never have been penetrated - France would either be a part of the 3rd Reich or a satellite country of Communist Russia under Uncle Joe Stalin)


 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 2:59 PM on December 11, 2003 | IP
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What they hell is wrong with Germany!  Forget the Iraq War!  What is wrong with the German Legal System.  A Murderer only gets 8 years for premeditated murder!  He killed an devoured his victim who supposedly wanted to die an be eaten!  The sick judge said the killer was not evil but just fulfilling a fantasy.  So I can go out and kill and eat any one who is willing to let me eat them.  I have never seen such an idiotic legal system in all my life.  We only have the word of the suspect as to weather the victim wanted to die.  Perhaps at the last minute the victim changed his mind but the suspect did not listen.  I think this is a reflection of how even the most obvious moral, the one against murdering a fellow human, is not held to high regard in this world anymore.  Hell why not go back to tribal war fare and cannibalism as a norm.  Sick world, sick Germany.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 11:06 AM on January 30, 2004 | IP
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After reading the ariticle about how the cannibal was not evil I can see how the German society came to see Hitler as some heroic savior of Germany.  Once again I say Sick Germany.  
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 11:13 AM on January 30, 2004 | IP
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You guys are talking about a threat or brainwashing...shouldn´t you seek the whole failure for this war in Iraq in your own government instead of accusing other countries to be traitors?
Hundreds of your own people have already died for a lie! What could have Iraq done to your own country? Did they have any ballistic missiles able to reach American grounds?
You felt threatened because your media told you to.
I read a post about german investments in Iraq, as some guy mentioned. This is so damn schizophrenic...you guys even supported Saddam Hussein with military equipment.
Just take a look to Spain and the price of going/supporting a war, which has been begun for no reason.
 


Posts: 1 | Posted: 7:20 PM on April 2, 2004 | IP
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Well, I am german and I dont think that my gov. was spineless. Most europeans were against the war but only few governments had the courage to go against the US.

The german people may laugh about it, but they wouldn't be laughing so hard if the us military bases were withdrawn from germany


I wouldn't mind if the US closed the millitary basis in Germany. The weapons and chemicals they use contaminates the groundwater, and the satellite systems in bavaria which were once used to spy on the russians are now used to spy on european companies and our economy loses billions of euros  every year.




Now lets look at WWI. In the process of keeping Germany out of France (what a mistake) 116,516  Americans die in combat keeping France free.



You make it sound like only the Americans defeated germany when it was the whole alliance. As I recall the USA got pretty late involved with the war. At that time most of the resources were already used and the german army became more and more weaker (as the other european armies)meanwhile the us army was still full inact.

I dont think the french were weak, they had no chance against a country which had been prepearing for war for years and is nealry twice as big and they got the full blast of the german army.



Now lets look at WWII. In the process of freeing the French people (another mistake)from Hitler and the Chinese people and others from the Japanese 405,399 Americans die.



Again you make it sound like nly the US defeated us, when we had our hardest losses
in russia. By the way abaout  20 Million russians died in WWII, you see other countries had losses too.


to the german legal system.... you guys are absolutely right. Our legal system is really fucked up.  If you rape a child you get like only 3 years in jail and they also often get probation and are out after like 2 years and then attack the next kid....its sick sick sick sick...and have you seen german jails....
my hotel in florence (which I paid about 50 euros a night for) was less comfortable...
most of them have a pool and a fitness room.


Oh an a lifesentence in germany is only about 15 years long....

I really wish that our laws would be  a bit americanized




(Edited by cookielynew 5/14/2004 at 4:33 PM).
 


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Sorry for every mistake but i`m not a native english speaker. So i want to say something about the german legal system in relation to the man who killed another to eat his genital. The man of who the genital was eaten agreed in the fact to be killed and  
the murderer and the victim ate together the genital. So the murderer himself isn`t a murderer who just goes out and wants to kill someone. He talked a long time with his vixtim via internet and his victim also was sick in his mind to agree in the fact to eat his genital and to be killed after. The murder of course is sick in mind and also is caged for a long time. But when the adjudgement says that the man is caged for 8 years it doesn`t mean that he`s after 8 years free again. He come`s than in a mental instituion and no one knows how long.

So it`s not a very low adjudgement it`s adequate for the action.
 


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What they hell is wrong with Germany!  Forget the Iraq War!  What is wrong with the German Legal System.  A Murderer only gets 8 years for premeditated murder!  He killed an devoured his victim who supposedly wanted to die an be eaten!  The sick judge said the killer was not evil but just fulfilling a fantasy.  So I can go out and kill and eat any one who is willing to let me eat them.  I have never seen such an idiotic legal system in all my life.  We only have the word of the suspect as to weather the victim wanted to die.  Perhaps at the last minute the victim changed his mind but the suspect did not listen.  I think this is a reflection of how even the most obvious moral, the one against murdering a fellow human, is not held to high regard in this world anymore.  Hell why not go back to tribal war fare and cannibalism as a norm.  Sick world, sick Germany.

This text was the reason why i wrote my text. It`s to complete the information, because there were a lot of things which haven`t be said till yet. Or till I said.
 


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Germany, bad bad Germany, or perhaps just missunderstood? Is it so worse to want to rule the world? Don't know. The only one thing I know, i live in Germany, iam a completly born German, but most of my friends are Outboarders, Romania, USA, Canada, Russia, Turkeys... a long list and I don't even know all of the country names in english, but one thing I know. We have this damn Neo-Nazis. So every day here is at least a hand to knife combat. So many of my friends die and the newspaper keep staying quiet. Why? Because we have a corupted system? Perhaps just because Germany sucks! Yeah People are dying because some kind of Idiots draw boarders in a map. Without boarders, we would have civil war. With boarders we have ordanary war and Civil war, but the civil war gets muted untill most even not believe it exist. What I really want to say. Germany sucks, but where to go? I don't no any country who don't sucks. Perhaps we should start thinking of blowing up our planet, but Iam not sure if it works. Humans are like Cockroaches, some would survive!!!

PS: Any replies to my opinin plz send to "lifetobringthedeath@t-mobile-sidekick.de"


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"After reading the ariticle about how the cannibal was not evil I can see how the German society came to see Hitler as some heroic savior of Germany.  Once again I say Sick Germany.  "

you cant say that fairly they are sick and that they all love hitler. thats racist.

(Edited by slowdownandthink 7/18/2006 at 02:13 AM).


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Posts: 18 | Posted: 02:07 AM on July 18, 2006 | IP
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Why does Germany suck?

2 reasons...

1) German Real estate
2) German Philosophers

Germany got one of the worst real estate deals in all of Europe.  Devoid of natural resources, no lanscape beauty, infested with insects, a black forest that is dark and well...dark and no tropical coastline in which to develop a leisure class.

Schopenhauer, Marx, Hegels, Goethe, Neitzsche, Kant, Weber and Engels all shared the tacit views that germans are known for. Impudence, pessimism, jealosy, curiosity of the dark side of life, communism and precision.

So...without a warm sandy beach in which to read a book and gawk at the ladies in their bikinis, it is no wonder why germans go through life trying to wipe the smile of of those who actually know how to enjoy life.  They are hell bent on understanding the dark side so as to ruin the bright side of life of others that have learned the secrets of happiness.
 


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Germans spent the 20th century exposing themselves as spineless cowards.

The details of the beginning of WWI escape me. But the fact that Duetchland chose to be the masters of terror by sinking passenger ships and then not simply being duped into, but marching proudly into WWII and turning a blind eye to the holocaust, why would anyone be surprised that when the opporitunity to offer assistance in the removal of a tyrant or the creation of a free nation for another race not interest them?
They always have been and always will be a pompus self serving little country with a little man syndrome.
But, I do love their beer, brats and frauleins.




(Edited by gman 11/27/2006 at 09:07 AM).


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Posts: 25 | Posted: 08:46 AM on November 27, 2006 | IP
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The details of the beginning of WWI escape me.


It's clear the details of Germany's entire history escape you, which is emphasized by the rest of your post:

But the fact that Duetchland chose to be the masters of terror by sinking passenger ships


There have been several investigations into this matter, and every scrap of evidence, including the journals of the crewmen who actually sunk the Lusitania, indicate that the move was anything but an act of terror:

1.) Transporting military contraband between the United States and Britain was prohibited. Germany said that if the United States continued to do so, their choice would result in collateral losses

2.) Germany publically advised against overseas travel in American and British newspapers because they didn't want to be held liable for civilian deaths. Anyone on board the Lusitania should have been aware of the possibility that they could be killed, as the Atlantic Ocean was, after all, the stage of a war.

3.) The Lusitania was suspected of transporting military contraband. It was also the only passenger ship Germany ever sank during the war.

and then not simply being duped into, but marching proudly into WWII and turning a blind eye to the holocaust


This followed an economic depression in Germany that was more than tenfold what your grandparents experienced in the United States. Inflation rendered every savings account in Germany obsolete; at one point, it cost 240,000,000 DM's to buy a newspaper. People were starving in the streets, and when Hitler came along, they weren't thinking about killing Jews or conquering Russia nearly so much as they were eyeing the prospect of putting bread on their table for the first time in a decade. The fact is that Germany was unjustly punished for the First World War. The winning powers had the Axis at their feet, and what a great opportunity it was to make them pay for everything. This opened the door for anger and irrationality in Germany. Hitler was met with open arms not because he hated Jews but because he provided Germans a way out of poverty. The rest of the world loved him just the same, which is demonstrated by the fact that the Olympics were held in Nazi Germany before the start of the Second World War. Had France and Britain lost World War One, we'd be looking at the situation the same way, only you'd be calling the UK and France pompous and self-serving instead of Germany.

why would anyone be surprised that when the opporitunity to offer assistance in the removal of a tyrant or the creation of a free nation for another race not interest them?


What free nation? Surely not the slaughterhouse that is Iraq. Perhaps Germany, France, Russia, China, (etc...) realized the operation in Iraq wouldn't work. And wow, to imagine they were right!

(Oh, and I suppose you just forgot that German troops assisted the United States in the campaign against the Taliban. Germany's still in Afghanistan, too.)

They always have been and always will be a pompus self serving little country with a little man syndrome.


Germany has troops in the U.N. and NATO. Their soldiers are stationed abroad in dozens of countries, including Afghanistan. The only fact you have in support for your conclusion is that Germany isn't in Iraq, but no one can possibly blame them at this point. The whole world's laughing at the United States for its blunder right now.

But, I do love their beer, brats and frauleins.


How can you drink their beer--which is very excellent, of course--when the farmers who brewed that beer are all pompous, anti-freedom neonazis?!




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I've done some re-reading of this thread, and... I don't even know what to say.

Germany got one of the worst real estate deals in all of Europe.  Devoid of natural resources, no lanscape beauty, infested with insects, a black forest that is dark and well...dark and no tropical coastline in which to develop a leisure class.


WHAT? "No landscape beauty"?! "Infested with bugs"?

This guy clearly hasn't been to Germany. There are few places in the entire country that I wouldn't want to live--if anywhere, the far north, where it's baren and cold like parts of Canada.

I've been to Germany, and the only bugs I ever saw were bees, and there aren't anymore bees in Germany than there are in the United States.

Below are two pictures I took myself. "No landscape beauty" my foot.

Valley beneath the Alps

Zugspitze


(Edited by EntwickelnCollin 11/27/2006 at 3:03 PM).


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