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Communism is the political belief that all people are equal and therefore should be treated so. We believe the government should control buissness because they know best and many bosses will take advantage of thier workers and unfairly exploit them. We believe strict laws prevent crime.

However, i will be the first here to admit there are flaws, and i will, to the best of my ability, explain a way to fix it. For instance, the "all jobs have the same pay" fails to the extent that people will just choose the easiest thing they can do. The solution is that a trained government official evaluates what the person is most suitable for(physically, emotionally, and psychologically) and then assign them a job to train for, while theyre trained they could be observed to see if this was the proper placement and change training if necessary. this solves the problem.

Corrupt leaders are a problem. but if the leader is evaluated for corruption regularly it's no longer a problem. for if they start to show signs of corruption theyre legally removed from power and an election for the next leader(with corruption in election being the military and publics concern to watch for)

I have a feeling that some one will say the military will end up corrupt and therefore govt. will end up corrupt. however that is not true, military leaders like generals can be easily corrupted, but the common foot soldier far outnumber generals and as such familial bonds and want of a fair, equal government AND military makes allegence to the general far less important.

I hope these points are considered valid but if i am wrong before you tear me apart i want you to know im 14 had to learn and think of ALL of this by myself with no help because i couldn't get an unbiased opinion from someone if i tried, i even took political tests to find out my political standing. i looked at communism as an interesting idea and found i like it. my variations to the flaws i mentioned i made that myself, no help at all.

I'm simply saying Communism is a good idea and can be modified to make it fairer and more effective. I'm a Communist and proud of it, i'm not a communist because i hate america, i'm a communist because to me, it makes sense.


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Posts: 18 | Posted: 01:43 AM on July 18, 2006 | IP
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It is often believed that Communism is atheistic.  If only...

Actually, Communism is the direct result of Judeo-Christian morality.  What could possibly be more egalitarian than Communism?

Moreover, what really concerns me is not Communism itself, since the hysterical ravings of its purporters are more often than not ignored, but the clamoring that goes on in the West to resort to Marxist interpretations of serious issues.  Marxists are always trying to find socio-political explanations for things.  This is usually a complete whitewash.

For example, the West responded to the recent riots in Paris by syaing that the rioters were excusable because the racist Frenchies had ghettoized them.  Completely incorrect.  The French state spends $44 billion a year on its immigrants (that's 100,000E per immigrant), allows six-month temporary boarding, and many Muslim immigrants receive better health care than nationalized citizens.  In the riots, churches were burned, people were killed, and Arabs were the only participants.  The riots were religious in nature, a manifestation of Islam's policy of Dar al-Harb.

That is just one example of how the economo-centrist Marxists and Liberal media adjust the terms of debate, and assess their positions as the only ones worth listening to.  Those who disagree have the right to disagree, of course - in their magnanimity, the Liberals and Secular Humanists would never deny us that - they are even given the right to vote...however, they'll never be elected.


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Posts: 14 | Posted: 4:37 PM on October 12, 2006 | IP
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Whatever excuses you may present for communism are just that, excuses.
The history is what speaks the truth of communism. It is a bleak picture.
It is excused from consideration as an option.

As Donald Trump would say, "You're Fired".


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Posts: 25 | Posted: 3:21 PM on November 27, 2006 | IP
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The history is what speaks the truth of communism. It is a bleak picture.
It is excused from consideration as an option.


That's odd. China's flourishing, and just last week, Bush called Communist Vietnam "a success".


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Communism is only good for those people that want every one to be their friend. But what about those that want to live solitary independent lives, and what about the slackers that bring down the utopia form of communism? Should they all be killed?. If you want to have an idea of what communism entails I would recommend that you read the "Giver".

However if you still think that communism is good and believe that it can work read "Animal Farm".


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SilverStar, you have missed the point (again), and you are not alone, as far as I can tell, in this forum or america as a whole.

I am not a communist, because the word is my name in vain. I am not a communist, because I don't need to be anything or anybody to be free.

I believe there is hope for communism, because there is still life on the earth that feels free. I believe there is hope for communism because I am not the only one without a word for how I feel. I believe there is hope for communism because it is the least painful way for a society to commit suicide.

I do not hope for communism because I often see people asking for death in the quickest way possible, and communism would let conventional american people live in a way they will never grow to appreciate.

Study whatever history you like as long as you can see that now is the time everything happens, and there is nothing happening now that has ever happened before.

(Edited by forfunt1 4/25/2008 at 7:09 PM).


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Posts: 163 | Posted: 7:06 PM on April 25, 2008 | IP
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Translation, You stole from me a week ago, you stole from me two weeks ago, you stole from me three weeks ago, but some how I am to expect that you won't steal from me this week?


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Posts: 681 | Posted: 02:16 AM on April 27, 2008 | IP
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hmmm... what? Will you explain this translation, please?


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Posts: 163 | Posted: 6:35 PM on April 27, 2008 | IP
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Every time Communism has been implemented on a large scale it has failed miserably. Russia, China, North Korea, Vietnam, and Cuba are ones that come to mind.


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Posts: 681 | Posted: 6:41 PM on May 27, 2008 | IP
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China? That large, rapidly growing country soon to be hosting the olympic games?


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Posts: 81 | Posted: 7:37 PM on May 27, 2008 | IP
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Okay, name me ONE communist country that has not collapsed, slaughtered christians, been tyrannic, or had a brutal dictator?


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Everyone says expect the unexpected, but since now everyone expects the unexpected, the unexpected is now the expected and the expected is the unexpected. So if you are expecting the unexpected, you are actually expecting the expected, so if you start expecting the expected, you will be expecting the unexpected. So everyone should start expecting the expected again and the expected will be expected and the unexpected will be unexpected again, then we can start expecting the unexpected again.
 


Posts: 103 | Posted: 5:19 PM on February 2, 2009 | IP
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Communism is a political ideology, not a way of gouvernment. So a 'communist' country doesn't really exist.

And tbh, I'm more inclined to say that marxism as an ideology has more value in assessing the actual situation than communism has. Too bad that most of the debate about marxism is well...., basicly not about marxism at all. Communisms  is too much wishfull thinking for my taste whereas marxism with premisses like "the origin of wealth is labour" and the "discussions about marketvalue =/= user(real)- value", could bring some interesting viewpoints to the debate about where we want to go from this crisis.
Marxism isn't about finding excuses like you stated, it's about finding explanations and maybe solutions. I think a lot of ppl miss that point, they look at marxism from a western-capitalist perspective, in which it offcourse doesn't make sense: it's a theory on it's own. Marxism is a tool/worldview to understand society and economics, true it also has a worldview of how things ought to be, but most worldviews have such a 'utopia', capitalism as well.
 


Posts: 2 | Posted: 12:28 PM on May 8, 2009 | IP
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Equality is the antithesis of liberty.

Think about it.  For equality, you have to take from one group and give it to another group.  Taking away the liberty of some groups over others.  

In America, you have a right to Liberty, not equality.

You are free.

Free to succede, and to fail.  Someone will be better off than you.  Get over it.  

Wierd thing is, we are all better off because of Liberty.



Long story short.  Equality in soceity is overated.

Liberty isn't.

That is why communism will kill freedom and liberty in order to promote equality.    
 


Posts: 3 | Posted: 12:21 AM on June 19, 2009 | IP
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Slow down and think: There is one flaw in your idea about workers and there jobs.

The only thing that motivates them to work is fear. Whether its fear from a police state like what the Soviet Union set up or fear from laws its still Fear.

You see, without fear communism collopses.


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