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"I have examined all the known superstitions of the word, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth."
-Thomas Jefferson

"Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses. Here is an order, attributed to 'God' to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and to debauch and rape the daughters. I would not dare so dishonor my Creator's name by (attaching) it to this filthy book (the Bible)."
-Thomas Paine (He's talking about Numbers 31:15-18)
http://www.postfun.com/pfp/worbois.html

"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the bible is filled, it would seem more consistent that we called it the word of a demon than the Word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind."
-Thomas Paine
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Posts: 60 | Posted: 2:30 PM on February 3, 2003 | IP
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 God is about fed up with your hard-hearted foolishness. Repent, because He is coming to return very soon. Notice how Jesus signs for the last days are being fulfilled exactly as He said (despite what Thomas Paine said).
- Jesus said that "Jerusalem would be trodden down by the Gentiles, until the period of the Gentiles is fulfilled."  (Luke 21)  
  -What He said started happening in 70 A.D., when Jerusalem was trodden down by the Gentiles (any one that isn't a Hebrew or Jew is a Gentile). The Romans came and took over the land.
  - In 1967 Isreal completely regained Jerusalem, agianst all odds, and at that point "the period of the Gentiles was fulfilled".

           - This is very important because Jesus went on to say that the generation that saw this come to pass would by no means pass away until all things take place (the end of the world as we know it).  
        Jesus is coming, accept Him as Savior or there will be punishment eternal
                                         
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 2:56 PM on February 4, 2003 | IP
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Some people would argue that Moses is no better than Hitler because they both committed acts of genocide. Moses says, "We completely destroyed them, as we had done with Sihon king of Heshbon, destroying every city- men, women and children. But all the livestock and plunder from their cities we carried off for ourselves."
(Deuteronomy 3:6-7)

This is what Moses instructs the Israelite soldiers to do the Midianites- "Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has not slept with a man." (Numbers 31:17-18)
Do you agree with the things people did in the Bible?



(Edited by gunmyths 2/4/2003 at 5:34 PM).
 


Posts: 60 | Posted: 5:20 PM on February 4, 2003 | IP
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First of all, it doesn't matter what we think, don't feed that dirty demon. There is hell and there is heaven, and on the Day of Judgement there will be no back talk. Every one has a chance to come to know Jesus, and there will be no excuses. There will be no second guessing His righteous judgements, everyone has chosen there destiny. So don't waste your time questioning your Creator. Second, I would suggest commiting your life into His hands. Only when you serve Him can you know His righteous judgements and His amazing mercies.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 9:37 PM on February 6, 2003 | IP
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Guest,

You don't have your "facts" (if you wish to call them that), correct.

First of all, the statement :

"This is very important because Jesus went on to say that the generation that saw this come to pass would by no means pass away until all things take place (the end of the world as we know it)."  

Jesus  made that statement  to the people around him (his followers & others). It was one of those "Fundamentalist" statements to scare people into believing everything he said by threatening them with eternal damnation, and the impending kingdom of god he was going to be the ruler of. Anyone reading the bible with an unemotional attachment will recognize the context that this statement was made in. Such statements were typical during the times Jesus would have walked. (Also, you'll note that the "Jews" did not kill this christ, the Roman's did, after they charged him with sedition.)REASON: You don't walk around the Roman Empire announcing you are the son of a god. It's stirs people up, and the Romans were ruthlessesly efficient at quelling what they percieved as a threat. I put this in so you might have a better understanding of the context.

The fact that the end of the world DID NOT happen before all those people passed away, causes the christian believer to change the context from literal, to figurative. However, this is true of any other statement made that failed to come true.

There were many messiahs during the time of Jesus. Many of these "messiahs" used statements such as this to scare people into believing the particular myth he was feeding them. People during that time were susceptible to such statements because they had little scientific knowledge of the events going on around them.

What we take for granted these days was mystical in those times. Such statements like:

Where did rain come from? (are the gods weeping)? What is that thunder? (have we upset the gods)? The strong wind was controlled by yet other gods.

Now regarding your first post. The last sentence:

"Second, I would suggest commiting your life into His hands. Only when you serve Him can you know His righteous judgements and His amazing mercies."

Let me educate you for a minute. I was brought up a "christian". I went to a Lutheran school until I passed 6th grade, and I had to attend classes during that time to be able to take communion.

I have studied the scriptures with a multitude of people including religious cults such as "Jehovah's Wintnesses.

During this time and into early adulthood, I "believed" and had "faith".

Then, a I became an adult, I began to question what I didn't feel I understood. I realized it was not my inability to understand, but the material did not make any sense.

What really bothers me about christians, and I don't mean anything negative towards anyone has a person, is the "Holier than Thou" stance they take, just have you done in your post. What you fail to realize is that to many of us who have either rejected outright the idea of "gods" (me), and the agnostics, that cannot prove there isn't a god, see nothing but absolute closed minded thinking when people yell to repent.

Repent what? And to Who? If you say to a god, then I say, only if that god is powerful enough to stand in front of me and prove his divine nature.

Otherwise, I don't know him from jack.


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Blasphemy-->"JEHOVAH, JEHOVAH!"
Don't make me sic my god on you!
There is no hell. There is only France
-Frank Zappa
 


Posts: 95 | Posted: 12:19 PM on January 16, 2006 | IP
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"This is very important because Jesus went on to say that the generation that saw this come to pass would by no means pass away until all things take place (the end of the world as we know it)."  

What moron told you that this statement applied to the end of the world?  Any Christian can tell you that this statement referred to the establishment of His kingdom (a kingdom that he specifically stated was "not of this world").  His kingdom (i.e. the church) was established on the Day of Pentecost (remember he said it would show up with power) when the Holy Spirit descended and blessed the Apostles.  The establishment of the New Covenant began then WHILE many of the people that were alive when he said this were STILL around.  


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"Thou believest that God is one; thou does well: the demons also believe, and shudder." James 2:19 - Belief is never enough.
 


Posts: 1287 | Posted: 1:12 PM on January 16, 2006 | IP
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Any Christian can Tell You...


I rest my case.

Any Christian will tell you a myriad of things, depends on what flavor christian you get. All in all though, the stories change so much over time (i.e. everytime the christians need to adjust for stuff that was prophecied but didn't happen), that both the source and the messenger are unreliable at best.


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Blasphemy-->"JEHOVAH, JEHOVAH!"
Don't make me sic my god on you!
There is no hell. There is only France
-Frank Zappa
 


Posts: 95 | Posted: 2:13 PM on January 16, 2006 | IP
    
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