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I am currently doing a paper on Religon and i was wounder what were the views of some poeple.  If God doesn't exsit would we still have religon? Is there a God? If God doesn't exsist and we found out right now how would it effect our lives? what would u do? would u tell anybody? would u still go to church or any other religous sevrvice?

it is my belief that religon is only created to explain the unexplainable like the creation of the universe or what happens when we die?


 


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Yes God does exist, and if there was no spiritual realm then religion wouldn't exist. I mean I am a human and am capable of imagining things (although I've never really had a wild imagination by any means), but God would have never came to me. I mean all religion is inspired by a "spirit" of some sort. Can you especially imagine the complexity of these different religions? It is surreal to say that these religions were just extremely complex imaginations, would that not be upsurd? How would you explain the growth of any major religion without some sort of spiritual pull? You simply cannot explain testimonies like that of Paul of Tarsus. Jesus miracles cannot be explained away either. What about the different miracles of God (healings, etc.) , and the different sorceries (from that of other spirits {I would propose that they are demon's} ) occuring even as we speak? How would anyone ever explain me being delivered from: drugs, sex and violence of an outladnish measure, right after an experience of what hell would be like? God pulls at every individual heart, mine time and time agian before I listened, that simply could not be explained. I am a logical person, and so are many of Christ's followers, and I believe that there is more evidence of Jesus' Godhood than that of any "well put together" opposition. Without a presumptuis (exuse my spelling) attitude, one will be convinced that Christ is Lord. Check out www.christiananswers.net (org,com, I don't exactly remember!)  
Or even check out my posts in the forum about reliable proofs for Jesus' existence, or prophesies fulfilled by Jesus, tell me what you think.
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Bemjamin just because you lack the imagination to think of gods, doesn't mean most people wouldn't have that ability.  Look at all the Greek and Roman gods that people imagined long before they imagined christianity existed.
 


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 In the beginning, the true God created the heavens and the earth. Then we rebelled, and seperated ourselves more and more from the mighty hand of God. God gave us the freedom of choice, and because of the order of righteousness which He has established, we had to reap WHAT WE SOWED. God has continually tried to draw us closer to Himself, now through the Cross, in Old Testament days through specific revelations of His character and Being. The devil and opposing spirits are real, and they are the influence of the majority of today's major religions. Christianity, however, is not a religion at all, but rather God's reaching out to man through His finished work of the Cross. (religion would be defined, in these terms, as man's attempt to reach out to god)  
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If someone can decribe the real difference between religion and mythology id be much obliged.
 


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First to the last post on here:
Religion is the currently accepted mythology. Once a religion moves into the past it becomes mythology. OR a religious person who doesn't like your particular religion may lable it mythology (which is more polite than a 'load of crap')

I believe that if God didn't exist man would create him, and if religion didn't exist man would create it. Once God exists some people work to prove he doesn't, once religion exists some work to prove it is false.

All around nobody can just shut up and be happy with it.


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I think we as humans are not ment to know who, what, why there are many religons, and religous people because from the time we became smart enought to question  why, we needed an answer and today we dont know how all around the world everyone believed in a higher power. but each religon was diffrent, and whos to say whos right? but a lot with things in common like being a good person and trying to please your god.  What about "witches" and the wicken religon, I think they believe in mother earth and the power to use energy from the earth. who tho say there not right?   And science says evolution is the answer "The bang theory" they could be right they have the most proof.  but even if they are right we as humans would still desire an answer, like what about carma isnt she supossed to be a bitch?

The truth is that we dont know, and wont know til death. Thats why people believe what they want to, what makes them as a person feel good about life and death(the people who need a who, what, and why)   Some people dont need to know the reasons but as long as they are at peace with the world and dont hurt others and  know that there actions have consequences maybe even cosmic and world wide consequences. HOW will Bush be juged on his judgement day?  Take a look at Modonna she was raised Catholic and now practices other religons.
Maybe after we die our questions will all be answered probably not. Maybe what we learn in life we take with us in death and maybe thats when we will judge ourselves and if we have blood on our hand we will be eaten away by gilt, that sounds like hell to me!

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If there was no god religion would still be around.Simply because nobody can prove god exists.Right now people are belting out to the sky with absolutly no proof that they are talking to anyone.


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I don't think religion would exist if God didn't exist. On the other hand, I don't believe anything would exist if God didn't exist.


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Posts: 5 | Posted: 9:56 PM on March 3, 2004 | IP
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How do you know god exisits?  Do you have actual evidence experienced by people still alive?  If you found someone have they been tested for drugs?  Could religion be ficticious seeing as how they base everything off a possible fable?
 


Posts: 61 | Posted: 10:52 PM on March 5, 2004 | IP
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People created the notion of religion as a means of controling the masses.

What better way than to create a punishment system called 'Sins' and claim that if these sins are commited then you shall be punished when you die.
Why are we not punished now?

We don't actaully NEED religion of any kind, but somewhere along the line we forgot to ask questions and blindly 'believe'.

Do I believe in God? In the God of Chaos
Do we have a soul? No.
Is there an afterlife? We'll see.
Is there a heaven or hell? What's the purpose?

I'm not against religions, some people need them, but everyone should ask themselves why they believe or don't believe in something.

"Blind faith is the crutch of fools."


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An awareness of our own mortality seems to suggest that people will always have a need to invent a religion or god.  People have huge problems in dealing with death and understanding their own existence.  Most people don't want to accept that their life is as good as it's going to get, or at least as good as the things they can take to quench their desire.  They certainly don’t want to know that they only get one chance at life.

Many people have a need to answer questions on how life originated, however they can only theorize until proof or evidence is substantiated.  The short term solution is to invent or accept a fictitious god and/or religion.  It's the only way many people can replace fear of death with hope, and believe that their short existence is a path to something better.

It is difficult not to become concerned or depressed about death or the boundaries of life in the absence of a religious faith, but it would be interesting, perhaps even detrimental to society if everyone believed in life before death.

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I agree with Dave. whether God existed or not, religion would exist, in some form or another. religion isnt about finding God, religion is about a group of people that share a belief. even if the belief itself has no basis, the fact that there is a group to perpetuate the belief sustains the religion

as long as humans are curiouis about what they dont know, there will be a sort of awareness of some kind of mystery out there. this curiousity is the root of out inventive and imaginative achievement, both for civilization and for religion


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All religions and, thus, all gods are the creation of man. Because of this, asking if religion would still exist if "God" didn't exist is a fruitless gesture. "He" doesn't exist, and we have religions.
 


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Two points to make:
1.if man can create god, than man is a god himself, which means there is a god....
2.if you know that god doesn't exist, then you are god, since you know it all.




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Quote from Carns at 10:31 PM on May 2, 2005 :
Two points to make:
1.if man can create god, than man is a god himself, which means there is a god....
2.if you know that god doesn't exist, then you are god, since you know it all.




1. Man can create the theory of a god, which we could very well have
2. If we know that god doesn't exist, then we are not god, because he (he?) would therefore not exist (question mark present for open discussion on gender of god - GO TO MY THREAD FOR IT!!!)

Of course religion would exist if there weren't a god, because they exist now and god could very well be non-existent.
 


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of course religion would exist. many of the world's religions have "gods" that can't exist. for example, peter's constant example of ra and zeus, those beliefs were held in the absence of those gods. there is only one god, and all others are fabrications of man and culture, copies and imitations. this was proven time and again by god of israel in the old testament, but since that's a "made up" book, you guys wont care about that proof, so sorry about that, but its real history.

now, lets suppose we have a god who is all powerful, for example.. well you can't have two, thats for sure. if two all-powerful gods exist, how would anybody know which one was REALLY all-powerful.... so either god can't be all-powerful (which is a cop-out accepted by many) or there can only be one God. and i choose to believe there is. i have proof enough for myself, and whether or not you accept it as proof doesn't really matter. essentially we all have to choose for ourselves. that aside, what you believe doesn't change what is true. there can't simultaneously exist only one god, no gods, and many gods... so unfortunately for those whose faith is misplaced, only one belief can turn out to be true.. its inevitable really. we can all think we're right down here, but one day we'll all find out the truth, and everybody will regret the day they turned their back on it.


i think the best etymology i've read on the word religion is the one describing it as "supernatural constraint"...

(Edited by Carns 5/4/2005 at 6:28 PM).


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I don't see how any one religion has more evidence than another. It is not necisary for there to be a single all powerful god, there could easily be multiple god each for a differnt aspect of life, with one god that is a kind of god of gods. This is the belief held by many if not most of the old religions and I don't see how any of the "modern" religions have any more proof than these religions that you dismiss as "Fabrications".


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Well, nobody forces me to adhere to my beliefs... I came to my conclusions on my own based on the evidence in my own life, and the truths i find expressed by the god of the bible. i find nothing but inconsistancies and illogical conclusions by other religions, similar to the way you view my beliefs. if simultaneously there existed multiple god's, what would compel anybody to choose one religion over any other? the beliefs held by various religions have huge contradictions, such that you can't simultaneously believe in christianity and any other religion. how can  you quantitate these things anyways? religion really is a personal thing, and what convinces me to believe in the god of the bible and his infallible word could verywell be the same "evidence" that somebody else holds as disproof... evidence is impartial, interpretation is obviously not. as far as i am concerned, logically it is necessary for there to be only one god, because if you aren't all powerful, if you submit to a higher or more powerful "god" then you aren't a god....

and i dont dismiss other beliefs without reason, i have reasons for not believing each one, because there exists only one truth, and i am determined to find it.



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Do you not think that a benevolent god wouldn't want to see so many religions and groupings and diversions in people. Surly wouldn't he love all people equally no matter the religion. If he (of it should I say) is benevolent then by definition it would love every creature, and thus wouldn't desire to view all the differnt religions and would much prefer for a unity of all religions in a common belief in love... of somthing along those lines.


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you're absolutely right, God in the bible holds unity paramount and does not want to see so many religions and groupings. and he does love all mankind, and extended his love to all mankind by means of jesus christ. it's available to everybody, and doesn't cost anything, it lasts forever... whats not loving about that? besides, if god forced eveyrbody to commonly belive in love, then he would be overriding his priority of free will.... he wants people to choose him of their own accord, so despite his desire to see them all behave a certain way, he gave us up to do as we please during our life.



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Seriously, but for got to be all loving (benevoleng) then why would he "test" us, if he is truly omniscient then he would already know the outcome of such a "test".
Anyway this thread is called "The Purpose of religion" and I belive that it is a consraint on society, what better way to get people to act nice and follow the laws if they are promised eternity that cannot be disproved. And there is evidence for this in many older religions, fake miricles and the such. Why would a benevolent god make such strict rules and then tempt us into breaking them? Surely that goes against beneloventcy.... and please don't just run away from this by saying "god works in misterious ways".


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first of all, god definately doesn't tempt us into breaking his laws.. what he does is test us.. its more of a positive test then a negative one. he want's us to pass... shows us how to pass. it's sort of like watching a father teach his baby through time how to crawl, then stand up, then walk, then run... i believe that god wants us to run, but starts where we are at, whereever that is. but he also knows that we shouldn't crawl forever. to follow god is to grow, and you can't expect god to be happy with you as his child if all you do is drink milk and lay on your back. God, as our father figure wants us to develop, and tests us to see if we're ready for the next stage... its not really accurate to paint the picture so gloomy, because that is definately not what is going on. God isn't some mysterious figure to me that i follow and obey out of fear. He wants us to walk, but when we fall, he picks us up, its not like he kicks us when we're down, or somehow puts us into a puzzle we can't solve... thats a very pessimistic view of god, one that i held for many years myself, so i know why you think it, but i can tell you, you're misinformed.



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But shouldn't a father, love his less developted children as much as his developt children (if not more because his developt children can look after themselves better but his undevelept children need more love to progress as you say). Where as the bible (christianity at least, I havn't read the bible)seems to teach that he turns away from his less developed children and punishes them to eternity in hell.


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again, that seems really pessimistic.. to me, god seems like he grades on effort, the people who he "detests" are not so much ones who CAN'T develop, but the ones who WON'T... hell isn't a "punishment"... it's the default, he doesn't send people there, they're going there already, and he saves them... we put ourselves in this predicament, and he's told us how to get out of it, but won't force us because it's against his nature to force us. i used to have a problem with the whole thing... i thought it was sort of like a parent who says "you can choose whether or not you'll clean your room, but if you dont, i'm going to beat you senseless".. it doesnt' really seem like free will does it...

sin is a mess we got ourselves into, god gave us laws to live by, he also knows they're impossible to live by so he in the old testament provided sacrifices as a way to pay for your sins.. anybody understands that crime deserves punishment, but god always offered a way of forgiveness... christ was sent to earth to "fulfill" the law, because he never sinned, he was able to make one final sacrifice, he is essentially the last sacrifice, once and for all taking on all the sin of all mankind, dying, and rising on the third day. This "covering" of our sins is available to anybody who can recognize that they're guilty of sin, and accept christ's sacrifice as their atonement.... i think it's an incredible thing, because god shows his love for us to that extreme... somebody who would do that so that we have a way out of our own mess is NOT somebody who is a punisher of less developed children, but somebody who wants them to make the right choice, it's available to everybody, so he's not favouring less or more developed children in that regard...


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Nice answer, its clear you have a much better understanding of the religion than I did when I was a member, and I've increasd my understanding through you, thank you.


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The purpose of religion was supposedly to improve and benefit the lives of everyone on this planet. But that not the case today or in the past. Religion is a tool used by control freaks to keep control on others. For example the Catholic Church uses (it's) religion to blackmail people (especially in Africa and South America) into controlling them by feeding and housing them only if they convert to their religion. Religion is a bad side effect of people misinterpreting the messages of the previous prophets on Earth (good examples are Jesus and Mohammed). The Raelian Movement is trying to bring back the originals messages these and all of the other prophets tried to spread using no mysticism or fanaticism. Not all religions involve God especially the Raelian Movement.


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For example the Catholic Church uses (it's) religion to blackmail people (especially in Africa and South America) into controlling them by feeding and housing them only if they convert to their religion. Religion is a bad side effect of people misinterpreting the messages of the previous prophets on Earth (good examples are Jesus and Mohammed)


Two things.

1.  You use the word "blackmail," yet you ignore the fact of the matter.  Catholicism does not "blackmail" anyone into following Christ, rather the Church follows Christ's teachings by loving God's creations and therefore setting an example of the truth humans are called to.  What happens, then, is the people are free to choose to get baptized or not and therefore is not "blackmailed" into Catholicism, but get baptized freely.

2.  You mention Jesus Christ as a prophet and that the Catholic Church misinterprets the whole message he brought.  Well let's examine that argument for a second.  The premise fails right away because Jesus claimed himself as one with the Father, and so therefore concluding that he, himself, is God.  So Jesus IS God and not a prophet.  Further, Jesus built his church upon Peter the first Pope.  So you see where your argument fails completely with the first premise.


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The answer to your question is simple. Of course religion would exist without god. There are many religions right now without a god. Religion is not based off of a god, it's based off a belief.
 


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Main Entry: re·li·gion
Pronunciation: ri-'li-j&n
Function: noun

1 a : the state of a religious b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance


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Relgion requires belief in a supernatural of some sort not just a belief of fundamental.


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i believe the purpose for religon in this day and age is control and prosperity. surely it was rooted in a deep belief in a higher power but unfortunetly there are even higher powers now that people are attracted to. a god is anything that is worshipped and man has plenty of gods these days. for years man has used religon or 'god' as a reason for their actions or a means for their wealth. in harlem n.y. you actually have little old ladies who go to church faithfully and really believe the reverend has to drive a cadillac. religons are a simple means of mass control, a few people could start a new reliogon today and have people believing in a new god tomorrow. picture that!
 


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Who said this?

"I don't believe in God because I don't believe in mother goose. "

Was that Mark Twain?


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Clarence Darrow.


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Surely the ass who invented the first religion ought to be the first ass damned

Mark Twain


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I can find no evidence of this quote other than the positiveatheism.com and other message boards that quoted it.  Can anyone verify where this quote originated from?


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I AM WHO I AM!

So don't mess with me. Otherwise, condemned to France you will be. HA HA! I"M SOOO POWERFUL!

FRANCE, Have I lost my mind?

Sorry, I can't...I'm sooo very powerful.

By the way, I'm pretty jealous, and I think that sweet thing you met in high school is too good for you, so I hereby apply my default death sentence upon you and condemn you to France, where the lake of ice-cream will make you shiver to eternity.

I've got plenty of elves to watch your progress in France, so do not make me come down there!

Especially while I'm with this "Rib Meat" (Pun)

Go to France all you that are unworthy to bow before my mythologic presence. BOW! BOW NOW!

BOW WOW!

I AM  WHO I YOU WE HE SHE IT THEY !!!


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Posts: 95 | Posted: 11:35 PM on January 16, 2006 | IP
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As in my sig, Religon is the Opium of the masses. It was made for the sole pupose of making it so that humans are not afraid to die, which i might add failed miserably or do Christians say they would just let themselves be shot rather then at least try even if it may be impossible to stop it from happening. I know i'd fight for my life until they put the bullet through my head.


"now, lets suppose we have a god who is all powerful, for example.. well you can't have two, thats for sure. if two all-powerful gods exist, how would anybody know which one was REALLY all-powerful.... so either god can't be all-powerful (which is a cop-out accepted by many) or there can only be one God. and i choose to believe there is" As said earlier by Carns

So Gods are selfish a*** who can't co-exist

Earth would be better if religon had never been made because it slows rights(womans, gays), technology(stem cells(it has the potential to save so many people but people hate it because of religon), human/machine integration(thats cyborgs to us common folk, its basically a cannon blast forward in evolution and can give the blind sight(robotic eyes) and can make the paralyzed move(Robotic muscular system))) See where im going to spots most religons, if not all hate because thier religon disagrees/hates it. Like it or not religon has never done any good, only bad (ex: The Crusades ( War=BAD), How about THE FRIGGIN HOLOCAUST!)

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Religon=Opium of the Masses, except for Buddhism, thats about inner peace.

F.Y.I. to the Catholics/Christians...JESUS SAID LOVE ALL EQUALLY, HE NEVER SAID GAY PEOPLE ARE THE EXCEPTION!!!

IN AMERICA RELIGON IS NOT A GOOD REASON FOR ANY LAW!!! Period.

The idea of marriage was made in a time where being gay would be a good reason to torture you to death.

Before you say it im straight, but believe it or not im also, God forbid, tolerant.

If being gay is a choice then you accept being straight is too.

If God existed and couldn't accept gay people because he doesn't like them (guess where sins come from!) then he's imposing HIS beliefs on YOU!

If you aren't religous you can still be moral.

Where in the Bible does it say being gay is wrong, cuz if it wasnt in the first draft whats the big deal. Yes the Bible HAS been revised.

Race-does not matter
Religon-does not matter
Sex-does not matter
Sexuality-shouldn't have to matter, cuz it's not like whites don't befriend blacks , Christians don't befriend aetheists, and Men dont befriend Women, so...why make being straight or gay matter? Wanna know what does matter? We're alive. Shouldn't that be more than enough?
 


Posts: 12 | Posted: 03:07 AM on July 17, 2006 | IP
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Being a christian is not a religion, it's a relationship between you and God.  Man created religion.


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Posts: 2 | Posted: 1:17 PM on February 28, 2007 | IP
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Religion is most likely a way of explaining the unexplainable. My 7th grade teacher went to visit the masai in africa, and she had a T-shirt of a walrus on at the time. A kid asked their parent what it was, and the parent gave them a long and elaborate story about a beast and an elephant, etc. Just an example.


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Posts: 51 | Posted: 5:28 PM on May 7, 2007 | IP
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Did a study on the definition of religion and collected  over 250 of them.

Some religions do not require a belief in God--like Hinduism.

Religion is one's value construct of reality--so even atheists have a religion.
 


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