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1 Pet. 3:18: “Christ died once for all time concerning sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, that he might lead you to God, he being put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit [“by the Spirit,” KJ; “in the spirit,” RS, NE, Dy, JB].” (At his resurrection from the dead, Jesus was brought forth with a spirit body. In the Greek text the words “flesh” and “spirit” are put in contrast to each other, and both are in the dative case; so, if a translator uses the rendering “by the spirit” he should also consistently say “by the flesh,” or if he uses “in the flesh” he should also say “in the spirit.”)

Acts 10:40, 41: “God raised this One [Jesus Christ] up on the third day and granted him to become manifest, not to all the people, but to witnesses appointed beforehand by God.” (Why did not others see him too? Because he was a spirit creature and when, as angels had done in the past, he materialized fleshly bodies to make himself visible, he did so only in the presence of his disciples.)

1 Cor. 15:45: “It is even so written: ‘The first man Adam became a living soul.’ The last Adam [Jesus Christ, who was perfect as was Adam when created] became a life-giving spirit.”

 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 2:51 PM on May 11, 2003 | IP
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Neither.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 4:58 PM on May 11, 2003 | IP
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Each statement fails to provide evidence of this totally amazing incident.

I would have thought that if jesus god actually did rise from the dead, not only would the Jews be dumbstruck, but the entire Roman government would have collapsed immediately.

We see how conveniently the bible throws in another unprovable catch-all, in that once he allegedly rose from the dead, he only appeared to a particular few.

If god wanted repentence from all, why didn't he show himself to all? Because it is more difficult to prove one way or the other when you have a few "unreliable at best" witnesses. (i.e. Jesus's radical followers)


You must remember that the followers of Jesus wanted to fight the Romans in the Garden of Gethsemane because they were radical fundamentalist who believed Jesus was going to overthrow the Roman Government with all his power from god. The reason they didn't fight is because Jesus allegedly told them to put away their swords.

Jesus halted his followers resistance, knowing full well the Romans would Take no Prisoners. Again, the Roman Government and it's police force were not to be trifled with. Even  Jesus knew this.

Jesus knew very well how much he could get away with saying and how much he could not. That is why he is careful around the Romans.

Eventually however, the same Jews that taught him everything he knew before he started teaching himself, began to feel threatened by his radical views of there long religous ways. Now these Priests didn't believe for one minute that Jesus was anything more than a man attempting to destroy every idea that gave them their control and riches in this society of old.

That threat was too much, and so he was taken to the Romans. When they didn't want to deal with him, they sent him to Herod.

Jesus then failed to impress Herod and was sent back to face pontius pilate. Pilate still wanted to free the poor man, but feared creating a riot, that would then lead to a big bloody mess, so instead he did what was normally done to people who really hadn't done anything but piss off the pharisees, so they beat the hell out of him. Finally he was nailed to a wooden pole/cross/tree/ and he died.


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Posts: 95 | Posted: 12:53 PM on January 16, 2006 | IP
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In fulfillment of the prophecy regardless of how badly Pilate wanted to wash his hands of the mess...


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"Thou believest that God is one; thou does well: the demons also believe, and shudder." James 2:19 - Belief is never enough.
 


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And after he died he was dead. And no evidence whatsoever exists to prove otherwise.

The bible cannot be used as a reliable source, because as we've seen it is full of things like talking serpents, burning bushes that talk, boats constructed to carry the entire population of the earths animals in pairs, and flying chariots.

Additionally, although the bible is somewhat of a historical document, it frequently leaves out key points, just as the pharoahs of old would leave defeats out of the writings.

All of these are available in mythology.


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