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Ok, this post is going to be a touchy one and it is garaunteed to step on a few toes but I want to voice my opinion and see what everyone thinks.

I am tired of religion. Not just Christianity or Judaism or Satanism or Buddhism or Hinduism or any other religion. I am just tired of the concepts of religion in general. I've discovered that all religion does in this world is cause problems and conflict. Everyone has thier own individiual sets of beliefs and unfortunately hardly ANYONE keeps thier minds open. If your Christian, your religion is automatically right and that any other religion is "wrong". The same applies to all other religions and thier views. I chose to spotlight Christianity because that is where I see most of the stubbonness and bigotry stemming from recently. I recently had a discussion with a fellow colleague of mine debating religion. She was Christian and I am NOTHING (according to the laws of society). I have no set religion. Well, she was saying that I am wrong and that I am going to hell for not believing in Jesus Christ. But heres my question for her... How can I go to hell if I dont believe in Jesus Christ. After all, the bible did create the hell she is talking about. But I dont believe in the Bible so how can I believe in something that I dont believe in? Think about it. This is exactly what I was speaking of earlier. Also I am tired of people saying that if you dont believe in Jesus, you are going the wrong way. How the hell do you know if its the wrong way or not. Are you god? Have you been to "Heaven" and seen the "pearly gates". Who are you to say what is right or wrong and who are to to say whether MY (or anyone elses) beliefs are right or wrong. How do you know that YOU arent going the "wrong way". Maybe the god you believe in (according to whatever religion you may claim) is the "wrong" one. But nooo, that couldnt be right huh because you have "faith". It is not ANYbodies place to say what is right or wrong as far as religion is concerned because religion is your OWN belief structure, not to be judged by anyone. I do not shun anyone for believing in what they please, but I will not tolerate ANYONE forcing thier religion upon ANYONE. You can believe in the concepts of Christianity, Buddhism or ANY religion that you see fit. I dont care either way. But when you start speaking to me and try to adjust MY life according to YOUR religion, that is when I loose all respect for you.


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Posts: 3 | Posted: 11:54 PM on May 21, 2003 | IP
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How can I go to hell if I dont believe in Jesus Christ.

How can you be held to the earth if you don't believe in gravity? Simply put, there is one truth, whether or not you acknowledge it is unimportant. Similarly, if Jesus is truely the son of God, well then you'll go to hell, whether or not you believe it. Likewise, if I am wrong, that Jesus is not the son of God, I won't go to heaven, no matter how devout I am. The way I look at it, life is a matter of truth, and the pursuit there of. If one constantly seeks truth, I believe it will make itself apparent.

Maybe the god you believe in (according to whatever religion you may claim) is the "wrong" one.

A distinct possiblity. But as I said, truth is a constant search, and in so it should be constantly refined and tested. Now be careful not to confuse Christianity with lunatic whackos like Christian Identity, KKK and Aryan Nation, Army of God and other such fundamental crazies who wear the guise of religion when they claim that God calls them to kill people. God, as the christians know him, does not call an individual to murder. I look at other "gods" like the muslim Alah, who's priests advocate the suicidal bombings of childrens schools. Who's holy book has a couple dozen battle cries that calls for muslims to kill the infidels (unbelievers) etc. I look at most eastern religions who's ultimate goal, (a nirvana like state) which is essentially a state of nothingness. Doesn't seem like a good way to spend eternity. This country was based on a freedom OF religion. Not a freedom FROM religion. The Soviet Union was "free from religion," same with Soviet China, I'm sure Bejing, Shang-Hai Hong Kong, would be a lovely place for you if you dislike religious "ravings." You say that you are tired of religions being shoved in your face. Well I'm tired of my religion being dictated and goverened by your inconsideration for my desires. If I want to pray in school, well I should be able to. You don't have to pray with me. I just don't understand how you can complain about other people being pushy about religion. Aren't you just doing the same thing? Aren't you pushing your Anti Religion into my face? I'm not offened, I believe God Created you with the freedom of choice to believe in him or not. I just wish you didn't have such a selfish double standard.
 


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dude ur posts are tooo long shorten them so ppl will read them


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katie-Not all posts are meant to be short. Whether you read them (the long ones) or not is up to you and your interest in the subject


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Posts: 3 | Posted: 08:23 AM on May 27, 2003 | IP
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If you are preaching for all of us who hold a different veiw to be tolerant of all others you are pushing your views on us so you are in essence intolerant.
Slight contradiction there in your theory.


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Posts: 15 | Posted: 7:24 PM on May 27, 2003 | IP
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Turbo- was that post directed at me (the second post on the forum) or at ILovePolitics?

Katie- I'm very sorry that you don't have the ambition to read a two whole paragraphs, I for one won't cut out anything I feel important to say. If you don't like it, don't read it, don't debate.


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For the first person who posted, I know wut ur saying. If there is a god and if it is suppose to be all loving and forgiving, then it/he/she/them/wutever would not punish u for beliving in something else! I belive there is no hell, and I dont believe jesus was the son of god, i just think he was a good person. "God" is more like a power, and it is all around us, and in us, not above us looking down, god is life, simply put. If u get ur life wrong, u can relive it again, not reincarnation, not into some1 else, I mean ur life, ur body, ur time. I can not list all I believe and dont, but here it is, the summery. anyone agree, write back kitten12p@yahoo.com. And any advice? My mom wants me to be a Cathloc and get comfirmed and all, and as u can see, I dont belive in it. So, see ya.
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ILovePolitics, I absolutely agree with you!!  There are many inconsistencies with religion and not only that I think religion has caused more problems in Human history then it has solved.

I was raised Ukrainian Catholic, but whenever someone forces their beliefs on me I get turned off by them and lose all respect as well.

I hate to pick on Christaians, but it seems like that group in the West is most prevailant.  I've spent a considerable amount of time in a couple of their forums and I feel like whenever you try to prove a point to them the only evidence they can come up with is from the bible, or to just have faith and believe in "the truth".  Then I feel they are closed minded for not trying to at least understand your perspective.  I'm not trying to make them believe what I believe, I just want them to undertstand me, but that is difficult in a lot of cases... next comes a quoted bible verse.  Sorry to sound bitter here, just needed to vent!! whew!!  haha

I am not a perfect Human, just like every other Human on this planet I have my faults... I look to better myself.  What bugs me about organized religions is that they believe their way is right and dont look at other religions and belief systems to incorporate NEW ideas from there.  I know there is a spectrum of believers in every religion from liberal to fundamentalist.  I find it is the fundamentalists that I DON'T get along with (in ANY religion) since when it comes to new ideas they appear to have tunnel vision and are not open to anything new.

My other main issue with organized religion is all the suffereing and violence almost EVERY religion has contributed to in this world.  We can look at the Crusades back where Christians went to try to liberate the Holyland.  And in present day there is the obvious situation between the Jews and the Muslims... all because of organized RELIGION!!  This is a HUGE turn off to me and I dont wish to be part of the problem.  People can sit and pray all they want but God is no going to appear and stop all this violence, it is up to *US*.  Some people put so much effort into religion that they miss the fundamental problems we have in this world.
As for going to church on Sunday, I know its only an hour a week... but why??  I think we should simply be working to better ourselves on our own.  I enjoy going to church with friends from time to time to observe a different point of view.  Going to church does not make me a better person, how I live my life makes me a better person!!  If this is the only life I get I want to make it the best I can make it, not continually thank a God figure for letting me be allowed to exist.  Life is a gift and it is fragile... we NEED to cherish it!!

This is why I believe our ideas about the world around us should be everchanging.  I do not believe science can prove everything and that there is some things *more* out there.  We must simply expand and evolve our thought processes.  Sorry for making this so huge, but I wanted to get my thoughts out to hopefully have some good conversations with you all.  Thank you for your time!!  

As for your mom wanting you to be Catholic Karissa, are you of legal age that she can make you do that??  You should definately follow your beliefs whether you believe in Catholicism or not.  It might not be what she would want you to do but in essence it is your life and you have the right to live it as you choose.  If you want more talk on religion or this, I'm willing to share my 2 cents!!  haha   jonnyk26@hotmail.com
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[center][b][random] [random] lalocafrmdat7o7@aol.com ILovePolitics, I truely agree with you. Although I am Catholic, I feel you were your coming from. i mean I can never work out why it is that people believe in a higher being who ultimately has control over their life. This being God or indeed other religions that worship other Gods. Surely if God really existed or if there was a higher being who was a creator then would this spiritual body not be universal to everyone? so I hope there are other people who agree with me because i know im not alone..well Thanks...
 


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Religion or any belief in a god is a nice fairy-tale comfort, but beliving in something without any proof doesnt make it true. Thats not to say I couldn't be wrong however i could be struck down by lightning right now.
Untill then I'm keeping my faith in science.


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Posts: 13 | Posted: 4:46 PM on December 17, 2003 | IP
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i agree with ILovePolitics. I am an atheist, and although I don't experience it often, it does annoy me incessantly when religious people force religion on ANYBODY. Thats not to say I am against people having religious beliefs - by all means do, but dont use them for any other reason than religion. I think far too many people use religion as a justification for things that are quite frankly unconnected.

first person to reply - you say that ILovePolitics is forcing anti-religion on you. I wouldn't agree. Refusing to have religion forced upon you is not forcing anti-religion upon anybody else.
 


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I'm tired of the whole religion vs science / creationism vs evolution. Neither side is going to convince the other that it is right.
I get annoyed when religious people try to force religion on anyone, but I also have a problem with 'hard core athiests' shall we say having a go at religious people because what they believe doesn't match up with science.



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I am a born again bible believing Christian.  I will always hold my faith and testify to my faith.  There is nothing that can ever shake me from my faith.  That is where I stand.  I have absolutely no power to force my faith on you.  I am sorry that there have been so many that have given christians a bad name, not all who have professed Jesus Christ have acuratley represented him.  With that said I want to say this,  I can not truly hold to my faith if I do not truly believe it is the right faith.  The second I turn from it and allow another faith to hold "truth" then I really do not believe in the faith I just said I have.


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A major problem with the world is the idea that every is entitled to their opinions, and that all opinions are OK, not right, or wrong.
This is simply untrue.  Many Opinions are just plain wrong.  Acceptance is a good thing, until it leads to ignorance.


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Ilovepolitics:
No one ever forced you to believe in something...there is no comouslion in religion. If u dont believe, fine...but im burning to ask you this: how the HELL did we come on this earth, where did all this start from?? evolution? or do u believe we were micro-organisms on a comet that entered the earths atmosphere??

Evolution: darwin himself says that the fact something as complex as the eye can be thought to have developed from natural selection is ABSURD...so the guy himself is not sure...

comets??? unlikely....how the hell were we supposed to survive the heat of re entry???? and uh...how did we develop???

lastly....how the hell can u form a cell as complex as a humans, from micro organisms????  DNA may be able to be formed spontaneously, but biologists still wonder, and come to the conclusion that the cell SOMEHOW developed.

we dont even know what hapens during the gestation period of a zygote...

answer those with justifiable reasons, and i am no longer a believer in ALLAH



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volution: darwin himself says that the fact something as complex as the eye can be thought to have developed from natural selection is ABSURD...so the guy himself is not sure...


Really?  Is your argument so factually baseless that you have to start resorting to quote mining?  The theory of evolution is not the same as it was when Darwin first postulated it.  It has grown and evolved in the 150 years since then as it has been repeatedly tested.  We now know how the eye developed.  Here is a good clip which explains it pretty well, and you can find more online with a fairly simple search.  You might try to argue that this is all just guesswork, but we have organisms living today with each of these different stages.

lastly....how the hell can u form a cell as complex as a humans, from micro organisms????  DNA may be able to be formed spontaneously, but biologists still wonder, and come to the conclusion that the cell SOMEHOW developed.

DNA didn't just spontaneously appear.  The scientific consensus right now is that it evolved from a simpler chemical chain called RNA.  The best explanation we have right now for the origin of the nucleotides which make up RNA is the abiogenesis hypothesis.  Here is a great video that explains the process quite simply.

Your argument about cell complexity appears to be based on a misconception of basic biology.  The cells which are around today are not the same as the cells that were around earlier in our planet's history.  The different structures within them have evolved from other, simpler structures which were advantageous to it's survival.

we dont even know what hapens during the gestation period of a zygote...

We may not know for certain what precisely happens during that stage of gestation, but we have a pretty good idea.  BTW, this is a classic god of the gaps argument.  Just because we don't know something now, doesn't mean that there is some supernatural force behind it.  We didn't know what caused lightning a couple hundred years ago, but we do now; our pool of knowledge is continually expanding.

That said, I'm not against you believing in a god.  IMO, the only time that scientific discoveries contradict religious beliefs is when believers decide to attempt to prove that their beliefs are literally true.  Stop trying to back up your beliefs with facts (or gaps as the case is this time) when it should be taken purely on faith.
 


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ok ok...im sorry for that earlier post....just got carried away a bit...




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Me opinion? I love god. I love Jesus. I don't want to believe Atheism partially because it says life is meaningless, and pointless. Christianity says life ins meaningful, we are loved by a great divine lover. It says that after death, we get eternal rewards. I would rather die happy, prepared to go to paradise, then sacred, wishing I'd done more with my pathetic life.


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I don't want to believe Atheism partially because it says life is meaningless, and pointless.


No it doesn't, and saying that it does shows a misunderstanding of what atheism is about.  Atheism basically says that there is no afterlife, so this life is all the more precious since it is all we will have.  It is up to each and every one of us to come up with our own purpose, to find a way to make our time on this earth meaningful; you can do this through charity work, by pursuing careers where they help others, or in some way working to make our communities, society, or world somehow better.
 


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It says that there is no afterlife, therefore, there is often terror in death, 'cause when you kick, there no one to greet you. Christianity? Your divine father is there to welcome you home to eternal paradise.


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Everyone says expect the unexpected, but since now everyone expects the unexpected, the unexpected is now the expected and the expected is the unexpected. So if you are expecting the unexpected, you are actually expecting the expected, so if you start expecting the expected, you will be expecting the unexpected. So everyone should start expecting the expected again and the expected will be expected and the unexpected will be unexpected again, then we can start expecting the unexpected again.
 


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Quote from ArcanaKnight at 11:48 PM on February 3, 2009 :


No it doesn't, and saying that it does shows a misunderstanding of what atheism is about.  Atheism basically says that there is no afterlife, so this life is all the more precious since it is all we will have.  It is up to each and every one of us to come up with our own purpose, to find a way to make our time on this earth meaningful; you can do this through charity work, by pursuing careers where they help others, or in some way working to make our communities, society, or world somehow better.


Atheism does not inspire purpose, nor does it carry any meaningfullness of life with it.  In the end we all share the same fate, and that fate is death.  With "purpose" left at the discretion of the individual, there can be no standard of "better".  What you say is a better life for all is only your individual interpretation.  No matter what the efforts towards being better it is all in vain, because we all will still die.  What good does it do or to what profit is it to any man then to do anything when they are still going to die.  Atheism does not inspire man to perform his best because there really is no reason when eternal death is still the end result.  And with death approaching closer and closer atheism will only inspire a selfishness and lack of concern for any other being, because your pleasure here on earth is all that will make life "sweet".  Your selfish appettite will never be satisfied.  The more you feed it the bigger it will become, with the end result still being eternal death.  A society and race built on such a frame of mind as to only concern themselves with trying to satisfy there pleasure is doomed to fail, it never will inspire one to be better, it will only inspire one to be bitter towards everything that is keeping them from feeding there own selfishness.  

Webster's 1828 Dictionary defines Atheism:

Atheism
A'THEISM, n. The disbelief of the existence of a God, or Supreme intelligent Being.

Atheism is a ferocious system that leaves nothing above us to excite awe, nor around us, to awaken tenderness.




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Quote from JSF16 at 5:30 PM on February 7, 2009 :
It says that there is no afterlife, therefore, there is often terror in death, 'cause when you kick, there no one to greet you. Christianity? Your divine father is there to welcome you home to eternal paradise.


So you chose to believe in God because he offers you a better reward at the end? This really goes against the whole concept of religion because this is not a choose your own adventure, the end will not change because you believe it to be so. If there is a God, I do not wish to spend eternity in his presence because if such a being exists that can end the pain of any and all men and does not do it, he is not the being which is depicted in any religious texts nor is he one that deserves to hold the eternal lives of all men, especially those that have suffered at his hand.


 


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Quote from firechild at 12:54 AM on December 8, 2009 :
So you chose to believe in God because he offers you a better reward at the end? This really goes against the whole concept of religion because this is not a choose your own adventure, the end will not change because you believe it to be so. If there is a God, I do not wish to spend eternity in his presence because if such a being exists that can end the pain of any and all men and does not do it, he is not the being which is depicted in any religious texts nor is he one that deserves to hold the eternal lives of all men, especially those that have suffered at his hand.


Religion and spirituality are very different. From what I can see spirituality can greatly benefit a person and increase compassion and tolerance. I can definitely relate to what you wrote about suffering.

If God is all-powerful, all-loving, etc. why isn't he doing anything about what's going on here?

The fact that you wrote about this shows that if YOU had the power you WOULD put an end to it. This shows where your heart is in the matter.

The only response I think is appropriate to what you wrote is this:
None of us knows everything.
None of us even knows 10% of everything.
Maybe there's a good reason why this is happening.
Maybe this reason is so justifiable that if you did know it you would see WHY suffering exists.
All I'm saying is it's possible.



 


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Quote from firechild at 11:54 PM on December 7, 2009 :


So you chose to believe in God because he offers you a better reward at the end? This really goes against the whole concept of religion


What is the "whole concept" of "religion"?

Quote from firechild at 11:54 PM on December 7, 2009 :
If there is a God, I do not wish to spend eternity in his presence


You yourself have disclosed plainly that you do not care to spend eternity with God, that is your choice. We can see though from your next statement that there is a selfish motive, as there is with all who express their enmity towards God.

Quote from firechild at 11:54 PM on December 7, 2009 :because if such a being exists that can end the pain of any and all men and does not do it,


Who says "pain" is an evil.  I am going out on a limb here by assuming firechild that you are attributing "pain" to something evil.  Pain is a consequence for certain actions, but by God allowing it, that does not attribute God to any evil action.  I may be able to buy my daughter everything she wants, and I have been accused by her of being a bad father for not buying her every piece of junk that she wants, but really if I did buy her everything she wanted whenever she wanted to alleviate "pain" I would then spoil her, and what good is that to her.  Everyone who has a child knows that not buying your child every toy in the world is not evil.  Pain also teaches us to stay away from certain actions.  Fire is Hot, don't touch it.  Jumping off a bed is dangerous, jumping of the Empire State Building is deadly.  Pain is a form of management to keep us away from certain things.  I don't want my family to be homeless so I work to make money and pay bills and keep my family sheltered.  The pain of work is less than the pain of watching my children suffer with no shelter over their head.

Quote from firechild at 11:54 PM on December 7, 2009 : he is not the being which is depicted in any religious texts nor is he one that deserves to hold the eternal lives of all men, especially those that have suffered at his hand.




God allowing pain to exist in this life is not evil.  It is at times, a valuable instructor.  Our perception of right and wrong can become very cloudy if we don't have a bigger picture in view.  When we are driven by our own pleasure, we can gain a very self centered view that really leads to nowhere.  We as finite beings are in no position to judge God who is infinite.

"God's revelation... is not detached and objective like a museum exhibit.  Rather it is a dynamic ongoing reality;  God repeatedly reveals himself, humankind repeatedly resists, obscuring and misusing the revelation."  -Bruce Milne






(Edited by dubie903 2/19/2010 at 6:27 PM).


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Quote from dubie903 at 07:35 AM on February 20, 2010 :
What is the "whole concept" of "religion"?


Religion is based on belief in a deity and being rewarded for honouring the teachings. Believing in a deity because of the rewards is a selfish manipulation of this. If you only believe because of the reward, does the belief really have any foundation?

You yourself have disclosed plainly that you do not care to spend eternity with God, that is your choice. We can see though from your next statement that there is a selfish motive, as there is with all who express their enmity towards God.


You misinterpret what I've said. I believe God is selfish, decietful and manipulative, he is not someone that should be respected. However, this is just the picture that has been painted by man, it does not mean this is how any potential God really is.

Who says "pain" is an evil.  I am going out on a limb here by assuming firechild that you are attributing "pain" to something evil.  Pain is a consequence for certain actions, but by God allowing it, that does not attribute God to any evil action.  I may be able to buy my daughter everything she wants, and I have been accused by her of being a bad father for not buying her every piece of junk that she wants, but really if I did buy her everything she wanted whenever she wanted to alleviate "pain" I would then spoil her, and what good is that to her.  Everyone who has a child knows that not buying your child every toy in the world is not evil.  Pain also teaches us to stay away from certain actions.  Fire is Hot, don't touch it.  Jumping off a bed is dangerous, jumping of the Empire State Building is deadly.  Pain is a form of management to keep us away from certain things.  I don't want my family to be homeless so I work to make money and pay bills and keep my family sheltered.  The pain of work is less than the pain of watching my children suffer with no shelter over their head.


Ok, I'll give you an example. A person is born in Central Africa. He has no way to earn money and live a better life that is offered to those in the western world. You say his "pain" is a consequence for his actions. Please explain what actions of his have led him to this pain. Explain how this person can escape from this life. This "pain" that God is inflicting on this person is not going to teach him anything that he can use to change his life, or that of his family, his community or his country. What could God possibly be doing this for?

God allowing pain to exist in this life is not evil.  It is at times, a valuable instructor.  Our perception of right and wrong can become very cloudy if we don't have a bigger picture in view.  When we are driven by our own pleasure, we can gain a very self centered view that really leads to nowhere.  We as finite beings are in no position to judge God who is infinite.


God is not infinite. An omniscient being would have known the suffering that people would have to endure yet he decided to go ahead with his creation and make them suffer anyway. Such a being deserves no respect, no worship and none of our time.

"God's revelation... is not detached and objective like a museum exhibit.  Rather it is a dynamic ongoing reality;  God repeatedly reveals himself, humankind repeatedly resists, obscuring and misusing the revelation."  -Bruce Milne


God does not reveal himself. It is all a matter of perception. If you convince yourself that things are done by God then that is how you will see things. Perception is a trained thought process.
 


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