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What are you going to say when science finds the gay gene? its so obviously genetic as any gay person will attest to. as much as christianity has scorened homosexuality. so much to the point that its inbeeded in our law.


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Posts: 10 | Posted: 6:35 PM on June 28, 2003 | IP
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They aren't going to because there is no such thing.


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Posts: 5 | Posted: 10:09 PM on March 3, 2004 | IP
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It would have to be about as old as the bible because the bible talks about it.  If it doesn't exist then how come it hasn't become obsolete?
 


Posts: 61 | Posted: 10:48 PM on March 5, 2004 | IP
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I myself, am skeptical as to whether a "gay gene" exists.  It just seems so illogical and unlikely for genetics, which are engineered to further procreation and evolution, to have something within them that's completely contradictory to those things.

But even IF a gay gene did exist, that still would not mean homosexuality was morally acceptable.  If someone's genes make them short tempered, does that mean that it's okay for them to go out and do violent things?  I should certainly hope not.

Just like short temperedness, homosexuality is a problem, and people who feel that they are homosexual need help to control this problem.  

Nevertheless, people who not only think that they are homosexual, but also act on those feelings, have behaved immorally.

(Edited by Sol 1/9/2005 at 05:50 AM).
 


Posts: 60 | Posted: 08:08 AM on January 8, 2005 | IP
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Quote from Sol at 08:08 AM on January 8, 2005 :
I myself, am skeptical as to whether a "gay gene" exists.  It just seems so illogical and unlikely for genetics, which are engineered to further procreation and evolution, to have something within them that's completely contradictory to those things.


Nevertheless, homosexuality is strongly heritable. This has been pretty conclusively shown through twin studies and such, so we need to find theories to explain the facts. One theory is that different parts of the genome are competing with each other in a process called "Interlocus Contest Evolution". For example, the X chromosome spends more time in females than in males, since females have two of them and males have only one. So if there were a gene on the X chromosome that raised the chances of a male being homosexual but benefitted a female in some way (the effects can be completely unrelated---genes are weird), that gene would have an evolutionary advantage most of the time.

But even IF a gay gene did exist, that still would not mean homosexuality was morally acceptable.  If someone's genes make them short tempered, does that mean that it's okay for them to go out and do violent things?  I should certainly hope not.


Indeed, that would be a naturalistic fallacy. But there's one thing I'd like to hear a good explanation for:

Just like short temperedness, homosexuality is a problem, and people who feel that they are homosexual need help to control this problem.  

Nevertheless, people who not only think that they are homosexual, but also act on those feelings, have behaved immorally.


Why? How does it harm other people? Or are you one of those nosy busybodies who feels it his divinely granted right to pry into other people's private affairs?
 


Posts: 14 | Posted: 7:03 PM on January 11, 2005 | IP
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Humans don't have a gay gene. Identical twins don't always have the same sexuality.

It does definately appear to be biological [link] though, if not strictly genetic.

It's not harmful however,  I don't see how anyone could call it "immoral" though, any more than masturbation or safe sex.  Neither of which are immoral, if they are, someone's going to have to define precisely what morality is for.


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Posts: 22 | Posted: 2:40 PM on January 12, 2005 | IP
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Homosexuality is not genetic, but it is not imorral it is a personal preferance, and sol you are simpily a facist! You are saying people who are homosexxual need help... why is this? where is the problem, just because they disagree with the bible they must be prosecuted. That is no better than the 9/11 attacks, instead you are trying to inforce christianitys "morals" on people who don't want them, where as they were trying to inforce Islams morals on people who don't want them.


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 09:37 AM on January 14, 2005 | IP
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First off I am not a homosexual so I am defending them solely as someone who KNOWS that the way homosexuals are treated in this country are wrong.

Homosexuality has existed for as long as people have. In ancient Sumer the earliest known society there is evidence of homosexuality, not to mention ancient greece and Rome.

Twin studies have shown that if one twin is gay then there is a 40% chance that the other will be to. it has also been shown that these numbers hold true even when the twins are rasied apart without the other twins influence.

There are a lot of things I find disgusting and  those include many sexual habits of straight people. I am disgusted by sodomy, but that is not for me to say someone can't do it if they want to and not be disgusting. That is MY opinoin, and being the country that this is I am entitled the that.

Homosexuals have been shown to be different biologically, and therefore have a firm root in genetics, and asking them to control their "urges" those being that they know they are supposed to be with people of their own sex is not at all like someone with a short temper trying to control themselves. It is like asking you, and myself the heterosexuals to make ourselves feel right changing OUR sexual preference.

It is not their fault, they are people just like me and you who want to live their own lives.  And for our country to deny them civil union is disgusting. If you do not want to "destroy the sanctity of marriage" that is fine, but to deny them civil union, to allow them to share health care, to visit eachother in the hospital, to be entitled to all the benefits that you would if you are married should be considered nothing other than a crime.

50 years ago we wresteled with these same issues but they were directed toward blacks, and now we are here 50 years later disghusted by how we behaved, and we WILL be here 50 years from now doing the same thing considering homosexuality
 


Posts: 32 | Posted: 4:19 PM on January 14, 2005 | IP
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Quote from Peter87 at 09:37 AM on January 14, 2005 :
Homosexuality is not genetic, [...]


Why do you just assert that? You wave aside the scientific evidence that there are strong genetic and other biological factors influencing homosexuality without giving a reason for it.
 


Posts: 14 | Posted: 11:01 PM on January 15, 2005 | IP
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It doesn't even matter if homosexuality is genetic of if it is just personal prefrance. Thats how they want to live there lives and in a free society who are we to say they can't live like that. Working on the bases of well if it isn't genetic then they must be punished (or they have what they want) then that is like saying choosing to be a christian isn't genetic so you shouldn't be able to do it. Basicaly there is no point in argueing that homosexuality is genetic because it doesn't make much of a differance if it is or isn't.


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 08:03 AM on January 16, 2005 | IP
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Quote from sketerpot at 7:03 PM on January 11, 2005 :
Why? How does it harm other people? Or are you one of those nosy busybodies who feels it his divinely granted right to pry into other people's private affairs?


You misunderstand me.  I don't oppose homosexuality because I have a 'holier than thou' attitude, or anything of the sort.  I oppose homosexuality because I have a genuine concern for the eternal salvation of those who commit that sin.  Even if they don't recognize it, I'm trying to help them.

I don't try to force my beliefs on others either.  I try to show them that they are doing things which are wrong, and suggesting a way for them to correct their actions through words.  Nothing more.

(Edited by Sol 3/6/2005 at 12:35 AM).
 


Posts: 60 | Posted: 12:33 AM on March 6, 2005 | IP
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can you suggest ways of 'helping' homosexuals then Sol? (Other than denying them certains rights)

NOTE: that was actually a serious question
 


Posts: 292 | Posted: 06:01 AM on April 16, 2005 | IP
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Sol,

While I certainly appreciate your concern for my eternal salvation, i believe all my sins were obsolved by my good friend Jesus. I am sure that if god has a problem with my sexuality he will talk to me about it when i meet him.

In the meantime, I think your efforts would be better used trying to change things that are actually changeable. The importance of my sexuality really pales when you consider that thousands of children go to bed every night hungry right here in the U.S. never mind my eternal salvation save some of the people who are alive right now and I'll be "eternally" grateful.

Thank You
Rob


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