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as one of jehovahs witnesses i would like to anser any questions you have about us.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 12:41 PM on August 13, 2002 | IP
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Is it true that only a certain number of people can get into heaven, and that the number has already been reached?


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id like to know that as well.  And why do only christians go to heaven if some people dont even know about christianity?  like people stranded on islands in tribes who have never heard of god?


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Can I ask questions?

 


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NO.  I've heard you don't believe in hell, but to be honest I know absolutely nothing about it.  T or F?


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Quote from Exxoss at 4:20 PM on September 25, 2002 :
id like to know that as well.  And why do only christians go to heaven if some people dont even know about christianity?  like people stranded on islands in tribes who have never heard of god?



God says people will be judged on what they know, I suppose people that have never really been taught anything would be juged a lot less harshly than say a person in America who can not exactly plead ignorance.




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Posts: 293 | Posted: 9:30 PM on October 11, 2002 | IP
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But what about the cwertain number in heaven thingy?  I dont wanna go to hell because heaven got full if i become a christian!    And another question,  Why do christians think the bible is 100%true if people scribed it and probably ruined some stuff, as well as having no proof that the bible is right other than 'you gotta believe'?


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Exxoss, we are talking Jehovahs witnesses here, not christians, big diff. and christians believe in the bible is right because it is inspired by God, not just some guys writing down what they think.


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I have some question for a Jehovah's Witness to answer that I have always wondered about.

1.  The book of Revelation is full of figuritive things.  Creatures, signs, numbers, etc...  Why would God put ONE literal number in the mix (144,000)?  How do we know for sure that is a literal number?

2.  What are the names of the men who were part of the Translation Committee of the New World Translation? What are their credentials (degrees in biblical languages) that would qualify them to produce a Bible translation?

3.  The following are components of blood that witnesses are are allowed to transfuse:  albumin, non-synthetic EPO (Erythropoietins), vaccines, Immunoglobulins, and hemophiliac treatments.   Whereas it is a violation of GOD'S LAW to accept others such as plasma, platelets, red and white cells.  What gives?  How did you decide that God allows albumin but not plasma?  I don't remember that verse.

4.  I know this isn't that important, but it always has irked me.  Fathers Day and Mother's Day.  These people have poured blood, sweat, and tears for their children.  I like to think that my savior Jesus is proud of me for showing my parents the love and HONOR THEY RIGHTFULLY DESERVE.  I would be very suprised to find out that I have disapointed Jesus or God by celebrating these holidays.
 


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so far it doesnt apper that any questions have been answered, did the guest ditch us or something?

(Edited by Sakata 10/18/2002 at 7:09 PM).


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jehovahs witnesses are christians and in fact the only true christians,and nobody else comes even close to teaching the truth of the bible.why do you want to go to heaven anyway,whats wrong with living forever in paradise on earth,or didnt you know thats what the bible promises for those not of a heavenly calling,personally I like it right here where God always intended man to live.
 


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Lots of empty talk right there....no biblical meat behind that whatsoever.  Attempt to prove yourself with the bible for a change.


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Take a look at the lords prayer pal! "let your name be sanctified"  What is Gods name? PSA83;18 in the old KJV tells us its JEHOVAH,or at least it did before those doing satans work took it out.Only Jehovahs witnesses obey the lords prayer by using Gods name in their worship.Shall I go on?





 


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that sounds like a bit of a stretch call to me...


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actually in hebrew gods name is yahweh. Hebrew doesnt have a "J" so it could not be johova. The greeks changed it to johova and the same with jesus which was changed from yashua. The word god comes from the germanic word "Gott" (english is a germanic language) whichh is the name of a pagan god of the anglo saxons. The catholic church used the name "god" in english and its likeness in other language bc the catholics believed in assimilation of the pagans by making there religion llike that of theirs in order to get converts. So the name "god"is actually that of a pagan god. In the bible you will note that in several places he says my name is ___ and i will always be ___ (i left the blanks so you could fill in what your bible says but in hebrew it says Yahweh, which is his name). He also says that his followers will know him by his name. Isnt his name Yahweh. One of the ten commandments is that you are to have no other gods before me, and to call him by another name is kinda blasphemous you think. So why do you call him god. If you where educated in the bible and not just what your preacher is paid to tell you then maybe you would find this to be true, but dont take my word for it, after all i am just a dumb hill billy, but at least i can read for myself, and interpret for myself, ask any pagan and they will tell you the same, but i dont hold anything against you bc christians are great people and at least they try to do what is right but obviously they all cant be right bc there are to many different factions for them to all be right.


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By "those doing Satan's work?"  You're kidding?! Please.  You're getting so tied up in trying to make yourself sound superior and holier than thou through stupid little technicalities that you've completely overlooked Christianity.  Can't see the forest for those pesky trees huh?  Does is really matter what we call God?  Yaweh, Jehovah, I Am, God, Lord; it doesn't matter, it all refers to the same God.  But instead of promoting the harmony and unity among Christians that Jesus lived and died for, you attempt to reconcile your own insecurities by putting other people down.  You watch your words before you call me an instrument of the devil because I say God instead of Jehovah.  

What's funny to me is that Jesus never had a problem with anyone here on earth.  He hung out with the tax collecters and the prostitutes.  The only people who made his blood boil were the legalistic, egotistical, super-spritual fundamentalists who thought they knew enough laws to supercede the purpose of religion.  I'd check to see where you fall.  

And please, go on.


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interestingly enough "yahweh" isnt' God's name, even in hebrew. "yahweh" translates to "lord." according to traditional jewish thought, the name of God is 72 syllabols long and is unknown to all but the most holy (kabbalic mystics mostly).


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hey thistown please tell me where i said anything about you. If anything i said i liked christians bc they are great people did i not. I just stated what i thought and you took offense, i reakky think you need to read my post again and you might owe me an apology. If you havnt noticed it but i say GOD all the time i was just stating what i thought i did not accuse you of anything bad.


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No man I wasn't talking about you....I was talking to the guest guy about 4 posts up, the "those who do satan's work" jehovah's witness guy.

Sorry for the confusion.


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okay i was just wondering sorry for assuming.


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Actually Madbilly I clearly said those who took Gods name out the bible where doing Satans work,dont take things so personal.As for how important is it? Very important as evidenced by Jesus words in the lords prayer and the fact that the bible origionally contained it over a thousand times,God is not a name it is a title and as for the translation Yahweh does not translate to lord,it means "He who causes to become",Lord is what the translators "swapped"for the divine name.Since I am not Hebrew I use the English translation Jehovah!
Now lets go on in the Lords prayer "Thy Kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven" Most Christian religions preach the kingdom is in your heart,Dan2:44  "And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a Kingdom which will not be brought to ruin and it will bring an end to all these kingdoms and it itself will stand to time indefinite,"How can a kingdom within you destoy all these other kindoms? Read revelation and find how Gods Kingdom or "goverment" will bring them all to ruin at Armagheddon and who else tell you this except Jehovahs witnesses.
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Actually Madbilly I clearly said those who took Gods name out the bible where doing Satans work,dont take things so personal.As for how important is it? Very important as evidenced by Jesus words in the lords prayer and the fact that the bible origionally contained it over a thousand times,God is not a name it is a title and as for the translation Yahweh does not translate to lord,it means "He who causes to become",Lord is what the translators "swapped"for the divine name.Since I am not Hebrew I use the English translation Jehovah!
Now lets go on in the Lords prayer "Thy Kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven" Most Christian religions preach the kingdom is in your heart,Dan2:44  "And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a Kingdom which will not be brought to ruin and it will bring an end to all these kingdoms and it itself will stand to time indefinite,"How can a kingdom within you destoy all these other kindoms? Read revelation and find how Gods Kingdom or "goverment" will bring them all to ruin at Armagheddon and who else tell you this except Jehovahs witnesses.
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The JW are truly a sad brainwashed cult. I can not believe someone could be a JW knowing the history. It was started by a freak and has been a freakshow since then. Someone explain the predictions that the world was coming to an end in 1914, 1925, after WWII and most recently in 1975. I have actually met people during a seminar who were tricked to selling all their possessions in 1974 to prepare for the end in 1975. Don't take my word many of these people are still alive and you can find the info on the web. The New World Translation is even more pathetic. To completely make up a translation to fit your views is an all time low. The JW prey on those with low self esteem and the very mentally weak. It is by definition a cult. The bible has never been proven wrong and has been right many times to think that a looser from pittsburg will fill up heaven is totally stupid. I honestly have more respect for an athiest than a JW. At least an athiest does not twist and brainwash to make people believe crap.
 


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atheists are just like religious people, they profess to absolutely be certain with no proof to back up their claim. I am an agnostic, and we do not claim to know anything. it's really a very comfortable position to be in actually.


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It seems to me that agnosticism as you defined it would be more of a transitional stage.  I would think that everyone has been through an agnostic stage in their life, and then decided what they believe and proceeded in that general direction.  Are most agnostics that you know looking...or are they kind of just stuck, content in not knowing?  Do a lot of agnostics move on to atheism or religion?  Sorry I was just wandering.

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wow alex.  i don't mean any offense by this, but i never thought i would see you take the easy way.  it would be pretty comfortable to be agnostic i guess.  i just find it odd because you always seem to put yourself in controversial position.  this is just a miniscule observation, but i thought it was interesting.  anyway, back to debating.


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I think most agnostics are just in a transitional phase, because human psychology tends towards a need for belief, whatever that may be, to satisfy certain emotional insecurities about the individual and the cosmos. I think that is the curse of the human condition (theoretically): that we are psychologically in need of of a belief in the transcendental but we are intellectually capable of realizing there is no logical reason to believe. it sucks, trust me. now as for me, I don't choose agnosticism because it is comfortable (i was kidding about that, i am actually agnostic because i am emotionally incapable of believing in the transcendental, probably because I am clinically depressed). in fact, i don't believe people choose anything. I believe in determinism, and that there is no "free will". anyway, I am agnostic. one part of me hopes it will be a transitional phase, cause I figure I'd be a lot happier with the delusion there is a god, but another part of me thinks agnostism is intellectually the most honest position to take, because you admit there is no way to be certain. please remember my analogy which i am so proud of: 3 guys standing outside a room neither of them have ever been in. 1 guy, the religious one, says "i know exactly what's on the other side, it is a purple elephant dancing in a vat of acid. I am certain of that (probably cause my mom told me or I read it in a book)!" the second guy, the atheist, says "I know exactly what's in there! There is NOTHING in there! I am certain of that!" now the third guy, the agnostic, says, "how the heck should I know what's in there? I've never been in that room. I just plain and simple don't know." if you were watching this, who would you laugh at and who would you pat on the back and say, "right on pal. I agree."???? sooo, i accept that my reason for being agnostic is as meaningless as people believing in god (because people don't believe in something because it is true, they believe in it because the chemicals in their brain fire in a certain way, as a result of outside stimuli etc.), but that doesn't change the fact that my position is a more honest position. this is all I have been trying to say in forum after forum. I just want to know how religious people deal with this fact. I guess I have already answered that question. you guys are just as emotionally incapable of accepting there is no God as I am of accepting there is one. but at least i am admitting the absurdity of it all.


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nice job alex. Now that you've admitted ure clinically depressed, sakata and gs are going to jump all over you and tell you to see the light. here we go....


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welll,
i don't really consider myself to be clinically depressed anymore. that's what a psychiatrist told me once but i didn't want to take medication. i feel much better (in fact, fine) now in the last year since I came out and have a boyfriend, so I figure the depression was linked to being upset and confused and feeling like crap about my sexual identity. okay....too much info maybe.


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i would like to answer Exxoss' question about whether or not people who have lived on islands or lived in tribes that have never heard bout Christianity go to heaven. God says in the Bible that he will reveal himself to anyone who has not had the opportunity to hear the Gospel. what does this exactly mean? i interpret it this way:  God will reveal himself through his creation and if someone who has not had the opportunity to hear the Gospel but believes that there is a supernatural or divine being out there that oversees everything, they will go to heaven. God will not allow someone to go to hell who has not been given the opportunity to hear the message.


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that was good post alex, and i do respect your belief that it is more honest to say "I don't know."  And i respect that you stand so firmly behind that belief.  I can't say that I agree with everything you said, but i can respect it.  sometimes believing in the higher power is a bit absurd.  its hard to do sometimes, quite honestly.  i also believe that whatever anyone believes is absurd and hard.  sometimes its comfortable, and sometimes its easy.  but when there is opposition it is quite the opposite.  i guess thats a pretty obvious statement, but its very true


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why not believe in barney the purple dinosaur?


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is that directed to me?



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What a stupid question.  We don't have thousands of documents found thousands of miles apart that all coincide and correspond with each other about barney the purple dinosaur.


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there is a ton of evidence that the Bible is accurate based on the fact that Will just gave


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what evidence? what documentation? as an archaelogist or anthroplogist, would you rely solely on documentary evidence, or would you look for physical evidence? i of course agree there may be ample evidence that says Jesus of Nazareth existed, but please show me evidence he was the son of God. My point is, the belief he is the son of God and all the tenets of Christianity really reflect the word of a supreme being is as arbitrary as believing in barney. is there more evidence for the christian god than the buddhist religion, or judaism, or islam, or santoria???? even if i were to concede to the existence of a god, it is then a SECOND arbitrary decision as to which one it is. there are an infinite number of possibilities for gods. what are the chances the christian interpretation is right???


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there are 4 gospels in the Bible that describe the life of Jesus. there are also many more accounts that are not included in the Bible. they were all written by different people and those people were all eye-witnesses. all of these accounts are amazingly similar and they all claim that Jesus rose from the grave. these authors had no contact with eachother, so they would not have been able to communicate to make a giant hoax. even if they were with eachother, what would motivate them to lie? and no, we do not rely soley on documentary evidence but it is evidence none the less.


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I would think that documentation would be physical evidence, the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Red Sea Scrolls, Nazarene writings...how are they not physical?  How can you have physical evidence that he was the son of god?  All that we have as physcal evidence is the tomb of James, Jesus' brother, and from that we can see that Jesus was extremely highly revered.  They list James father Joseph, and on up, and then it reads brother of Jesus.  On tombs in that time period only the father's pedigree was listed unless a sibling or cousin was a king.  That proves nothing, but interesting nontheless.  

The difference betweeen the religions is credibility.  In no other religion has documentation been written by more than one person, it all showed up at once, unlike the Christian bible which was discovered over hundreds of years.  None match established history to perfection like a bible.  

You keep looking for proof.  I don't guess you've caught up on this, there is no proof.  There never will be absolute unquestionable proof that God exists.  It would actually go against the bible and God.  So stop asking for proof, it doesn't exist, and I don't think that any Christian would see that as a bad thing.


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Posts: 341 | Posted: 2:30 PM on November 22, 2002 | IP
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Jainism has 26 different documents supporting its existance that were written hundreds of years apart. Yet you wouldn't consider Jainism to be a viable to alternative to christianity simply because of documents. All I know about Jesus was that really was a rabbi that really did exist, really did teach great things and had some very loyal (and some not so loyal) followers. All those things are definite. Nothing more historical is in support. So, since nothing about religion can be proven, the only we can do is debate the relative moral correctness of particular religious philosophies, irrespective of their supposed "truthfulness." That's all I want, honest debate on the morality of specific religious beliefs/practices. A debate on truthfulness will be and is circular and fruitless.


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Posts: 789 | Posted: 2:52 PM on November 22, 2002 | IP
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I agree 100% with the proof part DSA.  Let me express my ignorance, what is Jainism?


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Posts: 341 | Posted: 3:22 PM on November 22, 2002 | IP
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I don't really know the specs, i wrote had to write a paragraph on the bare bones of it in world history. But I do recall that it was based in India, is very old, and that document thing.


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Posts: 789 | Posted: 7:39 PM on November 22, 2002 | IP
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Wow, I've just entered the debate, and have read all of the posts, and I think I have quite a bit to say.  
1. it has gotten away from Jehovah Witnesses.  To the JW's: there was a lot posted on the Lord's Prayer, which I might add was an EXAMPLE PRAYER for Christians.  Not something to be FOLLOWED as a way of life.  matthew 6:9 "In this manner, therfore, pray" then going on to relay the Lord's Prayer.  The key word is manner.
2. His will does not say that the Earth will be like Heaven, but that His WILL be done on Earth as it is in Heaven.  
3. In response to Revelation 7:4, Ephesians 4:30 says, "And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.  John 14:1-6 states that he has prepared a place for everyone, not just 144,000 people.  
4. 1st thessalonians 4:16-17 states that we shall always be with the Lord.  Not on the Earth.

 


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Well this forum is losing its purpose.  First off, A few witnesses have been kind enough to post a defense to their religion.  (Or maybe it was just one guy, I'm not sure)  Anyway, the only defense I have seen is that this religion has replaced many Lords and Gods with Jehovah in their translation.  Basing the validity of an entire orginization on the fact that they use the name Jehovah is ridiculous.  

C'mon people you have still yet to answer my sincere questions about your religion.  I present them here again for any Jehovahs Witness to answer.  THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE.  DO NOT FEAR THE TRUTH.  

OK here's a repost of my questions.

1.  The book of Revelation is full of figuritive things.  Creatures, signs, numbers, etc...  Why would God put ONE literal number in the mix (144,000)?  How do we know for sure that is a literal number?

2.  What are the names of the men who were part of the Translation Committee of the New World Translation? What are their credentials (degrees in biblical languages) that would qualify them to produce a Bible translation?

3.  The following are components of blood that witnesses are are allowed to transfuse:  albumin, non-synthetic EPO (Erythropoietins), vaccines, Immunoglobulins, and hemophiliac treatments.   Whereas it is a violation of GOD'S LAW to accept others such as plasma, platelets, red and white cells.  What gives?  How did you decide that God allows albumin but not plasma?  I don't remember that verse.

4.  I know this isn't that important, but it always has irked me.  Fathers Day and Mother's Day.  These people have poured blood, sweat, and tears for their children.  I like to think that my savior Jesus is proud of me for showing my parents the love and HONOR THEY RIGHTFULLY DESERVE.  I would be very suprised to find out that I have disapointed Jesus or God by celebrating these holidays.




 


Posts: 3 | Posted: 4:17 PM on December 9, 2002 | IP
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actually it is in the bible" honor thy father and thy mother" and wow how could someone believe in a religionthat is based off od a misstransaltion of God's name you know something just is not right.


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Posts: 96 | Posted: 04:25 AM on December 10, 2002 | IP
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Guest,

You started this thread by saying that you are a Jehovah's Witness and that you would l ike to answer any questions.  Someone asked you why JWs teach that only a certain amout of people go to heaven.

Your answer basically, "why do you want to go to heaven anyway?  I don't."

Is that all you are going to give for answer besides adding that you ( JWs) are the only true christians?

If you are going to give such answers as those, then why did you offer to answer people's questions?  Did you have it planned that you'd give silly answers using questions right back?  such as a sarcastic "why do you want to go to heaven anyway?"
 


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"jehovah's witness'" are not God's witness' at all. They are part of a satanic twist of the True God. I pray that all come to know the true and real God and creator of the universe!
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 3:37 PM on February 4, 2003 | IP
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im studying for a few weeks now and i moved in with a sister. During my study im told not to speak with my mom who's disfellowshiped.
i understand why, but she says they come around and ask questions about me now that im out of her house. When i ask them they say no, but sometime during the studies they ask questions that sound like they've been snooping. it makes me uncomfortable, what should i do.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 7:25 PM on March 19, 2003 | IP
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ID Like to add one important fact jw are not a form of christainity they do not believe in christ are the bible. They believe good works take them to heaven not faith  in jesus so plz dont associate christainity with this.


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Posts: 15 | Posted: 10:08 PM on March 21, 2003 | IP
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you obviously don't know anything about jws.  incidentally, they believe that they are the only denomination of christianity with the right interpretation of the bible.  they don't believe in heaven, but they do believe in god and jesus.  they think that there is a sense in which god marks people as good and bad.  the good people should not only have faith in god and jesus, but they should show this faith by changing their lifestyle into what god wants.  at "the end" god resurrects all the good people to live in eternity in the "kingdom of god" ruled by jesus.  

i am not a jw.  why i know all of that is a long story...
 


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Is any one available to answer quesitons i have for a paper i am doing for college?

 


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