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Neither I'm afriad.  I have just been really busy and not back on the site until now.  Plus I think everyone has moved to the new debate forum.

Anyway....
Regarding substanctial evidence - there is lots, go the library, do a search on the internet.  Like I said before, I did not diagnose this organization as a cult.

Below is a list of some sites I found in a quick ten minute search online.  I caution you though, there are lots of other religious groups who have sites talking about Witnesses being a cult and basing their definition of cult from their own relisgious beliefs.  That is not academics and they have no business redefining what a cult is - so I tried to stick to giving you links that were academic.

The last link I provide is a list of books about cults.  I reccommend Steven Hassan (author) - he is a foremost expert.

And now I will close.  For I really have no desire to argue with you.  Either you will do some research and see yourself or you won't.

I just want you to understand that this is not me trying to be rude.  I did not make this up.  The Watchtower Organization has been defined as a cult by experts, I am sure that elders in any congregation will tell you this, as well.  (Granted they will disagree.)  I know and love many Witnesses.  I think they are sincere and devout people.  But I do think that the organization is an abusive cult.

Know when I really decided that?  When they started to make the way my ex-husband did.  He was abusive.

That's all.

http://www.watchman.org/cat95.htm
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/j02.html
http://www.update.uu.se/~fbendz/pseudo/witness.html
http://www.caic.org.au/jws/organization/reedwaco.htm
http://www.cultnews.com/archives/000045.html
http://www.freeminds.org/
http://home.earthlink.net/~defender/de01022.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5951/xjw.html?FACTNet

http://www.rickross.com/reference/books/reading_list.html



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Posts: 19 | Posted: 02:07 AM on February 28, 2004 | IP
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I would like to agree with Sol. God is not human in nature. He is the purest in every way, shape and form. The creator of heaven and earth. You were correct Peter in saying that he is all knowing of both good and evil but unlike humans he does not give in to his temptations. He has overcome evil and consumed it.

People die because we betrayed God.(Adam and Eve) By eating the fruit of that tree we took on the responsibility of deciding what we believe to be good and bad, wright and wrong. And while we may believe we are doing what we percieve to be good, does not mean that in the eyes of God we are good.

Life is full of trials and tribulations, basically as Sol said, exposure to sin. Compare it to a teacher and his student. You are given the information that is needed to pass an exam. Now if you read this infomation and you study it you will pass your exam. If you choose not to study and to indulge yourself in other things, then you will fail your exam. The bible is a refrence book. A guide on how to live your life. If you read it and study it, you can apply it to your daily life and make good decisions, pleasing God. But if you distance yourself from the bible and choose to make decisions based on your own views of wright and wrong you risk indulging in your own desires and in the eyes of God are wrong.

People need to be tested. It builds character and allows God to distinguish the faithful from the un-faithful. Satan brings evil to this world. Tempting us, misleading us, exposing us to our inner most desires. It is that devil who is evil and if people would stop indulging themselves in these evils, then evil would cease to exist. But it is in human nature to be weak and to indulge. We have no backbone. And until we do, nothing will change.[color=black]


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Posts: 22 | Posted: 10:30 PM on January 22, 2005 | IP
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Quote from Guest at 12:41 PM on August 13, 2002 :
as one of jehovahs witnesses i would like to anser any questions you have about us.



Me too
 


Posts: 7 | Posted: 7:47 PM on June 29, 2005 | IP
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Quote from Jigokusabre at 02:09 AM on August 19, 2002 :
Is it true that only a certain number of people can get into heaven, and that the number has already been reached?


Yes, The bible indicates that those who go to heaven to serve as Kings and priests are limited, and no one knows whether the number has been reached yet, but people are not being anointed by holy spririt like they used to be.



 


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Quote from Exxoss at 4:20 PM on September 25, 2002 :
id like to know that as well.  And why do only christians go to heaven if some people dont even know about christianity?  like people stranded on islands in tribes who have never heard of god?


Going to heaven is not the only hope for people to be saved.  Those whom you described will live on earth.  Heaven is for those ruling with Christ.

 


Posts: 7 | Posted: 7:50 PM on June 29, 2005 | IP
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Quote from thistownwilleatu at 4:25 PM on October 11, 2002 :
NO.  I've heard you don't believe in hell, but to be honest I know absolutely nothing about it.  T or F?



Yes, we belive in hell, but it is not a fiery place of torment.  It is the commond grave of mankind.
 


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Quote from Sakata at 9:30 PM on October 11, 2002 :
Quote from Exxoss at 4:20 PM on September 25, 2002 :
id like to know that as well.  And why do only christians go to heaven if some people dont even know about christianity?  like people stranded on islands in tribes who have never heard of god?



God says people will be judged on what they know, I suppose people that have never really been taught anything would be juged a lot less harshly than say a person in America who can not exactly plead ignorance.





No, People are not judged on what they do  now.  They are sinners.  Judging would be meaningless now.  Judging takes place when sin is removed.
 


Posts: 7 | Posted: 7:51 PM on June 29, 2005 | IP
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falling up,

In reference to "There are four gospels of eyewitnesses"

Hate to tell you this, but all of the Gospels were written over 200 years after the alleged cruxifiction.


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Posts: 95 | Posted: 12:18 PM on January 15, 2006 | IP
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Actually, most scholars agree that the gospels were written within forty years of the crucifixion.  Don't know where you're getting your information from.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 2:35 PM on January 15, 2006 | IP
    
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