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OK!!! christians these days SAY that "o god has blessed me with money and im going to spend it on myself because GOD HAS BLESSED ME!!!"  NO!!! that is not the right mentallity BECAUS!!! 24,000 people are dieing daily and i cant believe we acually choose to drive luxury cars and live the luxury lives like the christians we are today!!!  GOD SAYS TO FEED THE POOR, CLOTH THE NAKED, FEED THE HUNGRY!! yes yes yes!! you give the chruch 10% of ur income but you acually think that that will take care for the lost out there?! no.  it wont.  im not saying to live a dirt poor life! thats not what im saying, what im saying is you should not drive bmws if you know that people are dieing out there in the 3rd world nations!!


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Posts: 1 | Posted: 3:40 PM on October 14, 2003 | IP
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I admire that you understand the concept of wealth. In my opinion wealth is not measured by how much money you have or what materials you own.

The problem Kim is that our entire society operates on a need for greed. Money and materialism is the basis of our society and we have become so dependant on it that we could not survive without it. While we are sitting in our nice warm homes and eating our hearty meals, snuggeling up on the couch with a warm blanket and watching a movie people , not only in third-world countries but all across the world people are straving, freezing, dying.

It says in scripture that it is on the rich to take care of the poor yet we make no effort to do so. While our intentions are pure we sadly never take the iniative to correct this error.

You know if each country made 1 contribution on a global basis and forgot about money we could eliminate hunger, disease, homelessness and poverty. For example there is enough land in the world that every person could own 2 acres of land.

Each person could have a home. Each person would have accesability to fresh water. Could grow crops and keep livestock to sustain life. It is the additional luxuries that is going to be our demise. It is our inner most desires that is going to bring about the Apocolypse because we can not rid ourselves of greed.

We would have to revert to nomadic ways in order for there to be world peace and prosperity. And sadly, it will never happen.

(Edited by Michael 1/22/2005 at 11:20 PM).

(Edited by Michael 1/22/2005 at 11:21 PM).


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Posts: 22 | Posted: 11:18 PM on January 22, 2005 | IP
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Couple of things, not based on the religious side of things here....
1. Please read the date of the last post, it was more than a year ago....
2. Ok so everyone can have 2 acres of land, so who gets the deserts and the tundra? I would like to see them grow crops and have live stock there... Oh and what about social building, religious buildings, government buildings? Or what about diversity, or should we all be self surfishent on the land alocated to us.


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 08:38 AM on January 23, 2005 | IP
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Each area of the world offers a valuable contibution on a global basis. Canada is rich in agriculture and produces enough crops to sustain the worlds population (provided all land in Canada was converted to farms). The United States is renound for its research into medicine and could provide the cures to many diseases. Desert nomads produce some of the best dates in the world( dates are rich in vitamins and prevent dehydration) these are only a few examples.

Now, Nomadic peoples have been trading, raising livestock, irrigating the desert for thousands and thousands of years. Get caught up on your global history. Now as for the frozen tundra. Approximately 85 % of the frozen tundra is ice and not land at all. Therefore exempt from the landmass/2 acre theory. A little backgroud in geology helps.

Now if the world operated as one global community and not on a nation to nation basis, then there is no need for government buildings, social buildings or religious for that matter. If people want to worship then they can sacrafice a portion of their land to build a temple. Social gatherings can be arranged amongst neighbors. I am literally talking about changing the entire fabric of society as we know it today. We have no need for money or government for that matter. Government pays no mind to what we think or how we feel. We should pay no mind to them. Give to greed what belongs to greed and give to Yahweh as belongs to Him.

Your problem Peter is that you look at the World from inside a box. And no matter what advice or suggestions people offer you , you dismiss them as irrelavant and assume what you think is right. I pity you and hope someday you will stop blaming the world and look inward.


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Posts: 22 | Posted: 01:24 AM on January 24, 2005 | IP
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I think you will find that, withough running water, through one hell of alot of pipes you couldn't irigate the centre of the african desert... Lets face it what you are surgesting is so against natural human instint to improve yourself its totaly unfeasable.
No need for social and government building? Ha thats laughable, does everyone teach there children at home and have there own little hospital?
You talk about how nomadic people have survived in the deasert, but they are what there name says, nomads, confining one person to 2 acres in the middle of the desert miles away from the sea of an oais and they souldn't survive long.
Ok and don't start with personal attacks please, this is debate, but I will destoy your comment about me....
I'm open to any good surgestion you or anyone else has to offer, all I did was disagree with your surgestion and you think that I will disagree with any and all surgestions. I don't look at the world from inside a box, I view the world in genral and my own part in the world from the opinions of other people and other contrys continusly, I see no evidence from what I said for you to surgest that. I know that the majority of what everybody (and my self included) think is wrong or at least not fully correct. I have not blamed the world for anything... I'm living rather well, and when I have felt depressed in the past it has been my short commings that I have blammed not the worlds. So please think before you judge me.


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 12:58 PM on January 25, 2005 | IP
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I'm sorry about the personal attacks, I should have been more specific. When I say revert to nomadic ways I'm talking to a certain extent. We would have to use todays best technology in order for my whole 2 acre theroy to work. The only reason none of it is feasable is because you would need money in order for all industries to participate. I'm talikng about eliminating supply and profit.

The only way for my theory to work, is if people and industry did this for mankind. It will never happen. But if it did, We could have the worlds best drillers and engineers getting water and irrigation into the desert.

Any arable land converted to farms to produce massive quantatiesof food. Using all the worlds forms of transport to ship people and goods to all parts of the earh. Dividing up all the land. Building massive structures to house food for years.

Maybe have a town hall to distribute food. And maybe have one every so many miles. Puting doctors so many miles apart and aloting them so many patients. Stock piling medicine. And once we have everthing in place. All angles covered. Shut down society as we know it now.

For transport an fishing, use wind vessels. For land, walk or by horse ( and all features with horse ie. wagons, etc.) And as for paying everyone for thier new jobs.

You get 2 acres of land, a house. Use natural forms to produce power. You will always be in supply of food       (all land converted to farms will need farmers) You will always have access to fresh water. and the list is endless.

But it' that return to innocence, I guess, would lead to the replenishment of earth. There would be nomore need to fight. No one person would have more then the next person. People would still have their own religous beliefs, but we could share all the colletive knowledge we have with eachother.

Maybe have that in the town centers too. I think hatred would eventually dispear because people wouldn't be envious anymore, there wouldn't be that I need this I need that; where am I going to get the money ; syndromethat stresses people out. How am I going to feed my children. So many heartaches. So many dissapoitments. Gone. Puff. Nomore. Thats what I meant by that. The only thing that I can apply to religon is that all men are equal, you will have no need to steal( everyone has the same thing), Now adultry and murder are another thing.

Thats on people. But to makeall the things that drive people to murder and adultry disappear. And public drunkeness would have to be eliminated and the last of religon (ten commandments) would be left to faith and the person. I guess you could say it would be like heaven on earth.


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Posts: 22 | Posted: 12:12 AM on January 26, 2005 | IP
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Fundemetaly a fantastic idea, I agree. But yes it could work, but there are a few things that wouldn't work...
Doctors, because you wouldn't have the benefit of haveing a huge paycheck no one would do struggle with 5 years of med school, come to think of it there wouldn't be anywhere to teach the essential social jobs, just as medicine and there wouldn't be the insentive to work, because you would get no bonus from it.
Also, people wouldn't just stop drinking alchol, and yes you would see a drastic decrease in crime, but I still think that you would get adultry, it would essentialy be reverting back to rural life.
Although I agree it would be very peaceful.
A very communist idea ;)
It reminds me of what someone said when I was queing up outside a nightclub, the last saturday before christmas....
"If everyone in this que put the money they would spend on entrance into one bank acount within a few months they could build there own night club and because the profit margin wasn't there then they wouldn't have to pay as much for anything"


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 3:18 PM on January 26, 2005 | IP
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No. They should be shot on site.


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Posts: 95 | Posted: 12:59 PM on January 15, 2006 | IP
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How very erudite of you.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 2:47 PM on January 15, 2006 | IP
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Thank you.

It's the effect Religion has  on me.


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Posts: 95 | Posted: 2:56 PM on January 15, 2006 | IP
    
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