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Sakata

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I dont know if we have any catholics on here but I have a few questions.
 The first one being about the pope, Catholics believe he has lived a sin free life right?  then what about good old Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God"?

And what about the Rosary?  

Hail, holy Queen, Mother of Merct! our life, our sweetness, and our hope!  To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve; to thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping, in this valley of tears.  Turn, then, most gracious Advocate, thine eyes of mearcy towards us; and after this our exile show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus; O clement, O Loving, O sweet Virgin Mary.

Quite clearly you are praying to Mary, not God.  You state that she is: our life and out hope.  The Bible, however, says that Christ is "our life" (Colossians 3:4) and "our hope" (1 Timothy 1:1)!  Again Paul declares that the "blessing hope" of the Christian is "the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior, Jesus Christ"(Titus 2:13).  Peter confirms that the Christian has been given a "living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead" (1 Peter 1:3).  Never does the Bible suggest that Mary is also our life or hope! Christ is more than enough!


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Posts: 293 | Posted: 7:36 PM on October 18, 2002 | IP
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Sakata, I am not a Catholic (no, wait a minute, I'm Catholic on my Dad's side, so by the books I'm  half Catholic, but my mother's Jewish, so that makes me Jewish) but I beleive I can explain your confusion. This contradictory stuff always happens when you have an old religion and a lot of fanatics (some Jewish traditions from the Torah are really screwed up too. That's why I'm reform), and in Catholisicm, where many of teh originals were Pagans, and so their traditions were taken up. Many of these things are old things people did that the fanatics won't let go of. I guess the only really important sentance in the whole bit (if it has confused you), is that last sentance.
 


Posts: 30 | Posted: 4:06 PM on December 1, 2002 | IP
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Actually Catholics don't pray to Mary.  They ask Mary, who is considered to be a very godly woman, even though she is in spirit and no longer on the earth, to pray on their behalf.  Fundamentalist mistakenly think this is praying to spirits other than God and therefore condemn it.  Catholics see it as calling on a woman of God to pray for them, just as Fundamentalist will ask their pastor (who claims to be a person of God,but may not really be) to pray for them.  The difference is that Catholics see the veil between the living and the dead as much thinner than Protestants do.  In other words, a Godly woman who has died  who's spirit is still living in the afterlife, is still active in the life of the church, is still a part of the body of believers, and can, therefore, be called on to submit prayers on behalf of those still struggling in this world.  Fundamentalist call this unbiblical.  However, in Matthew 17:3 we read where Moses and Elijah, two prophets who had long since died, appeared and communed with Jesus and several of the apostles.  So it does seem that the dead can be active in the physical world of those who come after them.
 


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Asking her to pray for you, I have no problem with, but going so far as to call her "our life" and "our hope" when that is clearly God and God alone's, sounds like worshiping her more than anything else... and I noticed you forgot to address my pope question btw...


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Posts: 293 | Posted: 01:06 AM on December 4, 2002 | IP
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i very much agree Sakata. The Early church did not run into problems until it became popular, and that was the Roman Cathloic church. One thing i find super interesting is, while i don't know it for certian, is that there is a staue of "Peter" that thousands of Catholics walk by and kiss the feet of every year, but it is actually an old statue of Jupiter that they changed the name on. but that is speculation so igonre it or do research and tel me i am wrong i don't mind being wrong every once ina awhile


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Posts: 96 | Posted: 03:59 AM on December 10, 2002 | IP
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Nova you are absoluty correct on Jupiter and Peter statue. Also isnt this bowing to graven images. I can go all day on the catholic church and tomorrow i will post a ton on this subject, but for now i must sleep so i will roast catholism tomorrow...i am the popes worst nightmare.


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Posts: 451 | Posted: 04:58 AM on December 10, 2002 | IP
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the pope is evil


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Posts: 33 | Posted: 03:09 AM on December 12, 2002 | IP
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I wouldn't go so far as saying he is evil but he is a manipulitive person or atleast he is the head of an organization that thrives off exploiting the ignorance of people around the world, and teaches thuroughly incorrect ideas, wait.... he is pretty bad. But i do know some catholics who are very holy people. It is not the specific sect you belong to it is iff you get the basics right. Jesus came to die for our sins and he is the son of God and you desire him to come into your life.


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Posts: 96 | Posted: 03:25 AM on December 12, 2002 | IP
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nowhere in the Bible does it give any power to the pope (or even mention the pope for that matter)


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Posts: 971 | Posted: 03:50 AM on December 12, 2002 | IP
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true dat the early church gives no example of what catholicism is today if anything it is the opposite of it.


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Posts: 96 | Posted: 03:52 AM on December 12, 2002 | IP
    
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