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I will make this first as a statement but then try to describe it as best I can, however you will be required to have some inteligence to understand this.
It is impossible that somthing can be all Knowing all powerful and all good.
Simpily because if you know of evil and are powerful to stop that evil, and you don't do anything about it by allowing that evil you your self must be insome for evil!
For example lets pretend that christianity is correct, there is a god he is all knowing he is all powerful. However there is a Hell.
God has the knowledge and the power to stop/destroy hell but does nothing. Ok so these people have done bad things in there lives, actualy no not necisarily, they just didn't belive in God or didn't follow christianity. In Christianity the belief is that if you don't belive the word of the bible you go to hell. But what about people who have nether come across the bible?
Ok I think I just lost my own point amound all that.
But basically in my understanding because there is evil an all powerful all knowing and all careing/good god cannot exist.


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 3:53 PM on January 2, 2005 | IP
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Your fallacy is in that you misunderstand the entire meaning of life.  We are here to learn and grow in knowledge and in faith.  We exist on earth that we may perfect ourselves, and become worthy to receive the highest blessings of God.

The only way we can learn to resist evil is if we witness it, and are to some degree exposed to it, so, as part of the learning process, there must be evil and suffering in the world.  I believe that that is part of the reason why God doesn't destroy all of the evil in the world.

Think of it as something along the lines of the saying "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger"

The fact that there is a place where evil souls are punished (Hell, if you will), does not mean that God has done anything wrong.  It is not wrong of Him to hold back blessings from those who do not deserve them!  It is not wrong for Him to punish those who have chosen to become evil!  If nothing else, it's justice!
 


Posts: 60 | Posted: 07:58 AM on January 8, 2005 | IP
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I would like to agree with Sol. God is not human in nature. He is the purest in every way, shape and form. The creator of heaven and earth. You were correct Peter in saying that he is all knowing of both good and evil but unlike humans he does not give in to his temptations. He has overcome evil and consumed it.

People die because we betrayed God.(Adam and Eve) By eating the fruit of that tree we took on the responsibility of deciding what we believe to be good and bad, wright and wrong. And while we may believe we are doing what we percieve to be good, does not mean that in the eyes of God we are good.

Life is full of trials and tribulations, basically as Sol said, exposure to sin. Compare it to a teacher and his student. You are given the information that is needed to pass an exam. Now if you read this infomation and you study it you will pass your exam. If you choose not to study and to indulge yourself in other things, then you will fail your exam. The bible is a refrence book. A guide on how to live your life. If you read it and study it, you can apply it to your daily life and make good decisions, pleasing God. But if you distance yourself from the bible and choose to make decisions based on your own views of wright and wrong you risk indulging in your own desires and in the eyes of God are wrong.

People need to be tested. It builds character and allows God to distinguish the faithful from the un-faithful. Satan brings evil to this world. Tempting us, misleading us, exposing us to our inner most desires. It is that devil who is evil and if people would stop indulging themselves in these evils, then evil would cease to exist. But it is in human nature to be weak and to indulge. We have no backbone. And until we do, nothing will change.[color=black]


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Posts: 22 | Posted: 9:32 PM on January 22, 2005 | IP
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How do you knwo what god is like? Because a book written by men (saying that it is the word of god) descirbes his abilitys to you? Don't be blind, question any belief all the time, and if there is a god he will answer your questions and you will know that not anyone book could describe the workings of the entire world.... correctly.


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 08:46 AM on January 23, 2005 | IP
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You have to assume that Yahweh is the exact opposite of you. He doesn't desire things, he doesn't envy people, he doesn't lie, cheat, or steal. His is perfecion in its purest form. And there is nowhere in scripture that refers to the personality or the image of Yahweh. You obviously never read it.

The bible tells you about the life of Yeshua and the teachings he shared. When I said the bible was a refrence book, I meant that literally. The different books are only interpretations of the message that Yeshua delivered. So please do not denounce a religion because you you don't believe in it. Yahweh said there would be people like you who will do anything to disprove His existence and His word. I just wonder why this crusade of yours, to eliminate Yahweh from our way of life, is so important to you. I pray for you.


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Posts: 22 | Posted: 01:39 AM on January 24, 2005 | IP
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God is evil. Leviticus from the bible gives a good reason why.

21:18  For whatsoever man he  be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he  that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous,

21:19  Or a man that is  brokenfooted, or brokenhanded,

21:20  Or crookbackt, or a  dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones  broken;

In other words, if someone has a broken nose, is blind, disabled, needs glasses, has diseases, or has testicular problems, that person is not allowed to worship god's altar. Does that sound moral?


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Posts: 8 | Posted: 11:14 AM on January 24, 2005 | IP
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Don't take the Bible literally. And you make reference to Old Testament. Look to new. If your hand causes you to sin. Then cut it off. The same basicly goes to all parts of your body. It's metaphorical ofcourse. You wouldn't physically cut it off, just mentally cut it off. Thats how Yahweh distinguishes the sinners. the unbelievers. It says that alll men are blinded by the beast. That we do not see things as they really are. Which leads back to the Adam and Eve story. If you want to debate this further ask me 7 questions you want answered to support my take on things and I will ask you 7. I'm just really tired now. It's 3 am where I am now. I need sleep. Peace


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Posts: 22 | Posted: 01:00 AM on January 26, 2005 | IP
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Quote from Peter87 at 08:46 AM on January 23, 2005 :
If there is a god he will answer your questions


He has.  True faith comes through prayer.
 


Posts: 60 | Posted: 12:28 AM on March 6, 2005 | IP
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Well he didn't answer mine, and I'm living a rather happy life as an agnostic


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 6:12 PM on March 6, 2005 | IP
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I believe God is the Evil one.
Think about it if you dont obey God you will be punished.
I think Lucifer is the true God for at least he gives you mercy & freedom of choice.
I suggest you study Satanisim maybe you will find peace of mind.
 


Posts: 8 | Posted: 2:31 PM on October 9, 2005 | IP
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[color=red]Is God Evil?

Absolutely. Have you read the bible?

This is one mean ghost.


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Blasphemy-->"JEHOVAH, JEHOVAH!"
Don't make me sic my god on you!
There is no hell. There is only France
-Frank Zappa
 


Posts: 95 | Posted: 10:43 AM on January 15, 2006 | IP
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Um, ghost?


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"Thou believest that God is one; thou does well: the demons also believe, and shudder." James 2:19 - Belief is never enough.
 


Posts: 1287 | Posted: 2:24 PM on January 15, 2006 | IP
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One very mean supernatural being. However, when I say supernatural, I mean not made of matter.

Not made of matter = non-existant.

Sorry, ghost comes from the bible. He classifies himself as a ghost


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Blasphemy-->"JEHOVAH, JEHOVAH!"
Don't make me sic my god on you!
There is no hell. There is only France
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Posts: 95 | Posted: 2:30 PM on January 15, 2006 | IP
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Actually only the King James uses the term ghost.  The term spirit is what most people use.  I assume that, by your post you are saying that nothing can exist which is not made out of matter?


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"Thou believest that God is one; thou does well: the demons also believe, and shudder." James 2:19 - Belief is never enough.
 


Posts: 1287 | Posted: 2:57 PM on January 15, 2006 | IP
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No I'm not saying anything of the sort. Spirit, ghost, supernatural whatnot....

Oh yeah, "Don't take the bible literally". Better yet, put this mythology back on the shelf.

This is one of the catch 22's that people who believe faith is somehow scientifically based or real. The term faith as used "I have faith that he will show up on time" is one thing. It is not blind faith.

Blind faith is when you have absolutely no scientific evidence whatsoever, no proof. zip.

This is what the christian community wants you to have. whether it's the first-cause scanario or whatever, you will find that the bible has the ultimate catch 22 in it.

How does it go:

If you don't believe blindly that there is a god or that jesus was his son then, your gonna burn in hell if someone tells you and you don't do it.

JESUS SAID THE EXACT THING!

Wasn't it in Matthew where he said to kill those who don't believe me.???


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Blasphemy-->"JEHOVAH, JEHOVAH!"
Don't make me sic my god on you!
There is no hell. There is only France
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Posts: 95 | Posted: 3:57 PM on January 15, 2006 | IP
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What blind faith.  The people to whom the Scripture were written had witnessed (or heard of) the miracles that were being accomplished to prove the truth of what was being said.  The scriptures were written during the lifetimes of those that lived while Jesus walked the earth and the apostle's healed and cast out demons.  There is no record of any of the Jews (for whom the idea of Christianity would be a personal affront) provided any proof that the things claimed in the Scriptures DID NOT HAPPEN.  They didn't go to the tomb and say "see, here is his body, he isn't resurrected".  They didn't say "no, the apostles never did any of the things they claimed".  There are around 2500 prophecies contained within the Bible.  Over 2000 of them have already come true.  Most of the other's deal with the "end times" or were promised against (or for) people who turned to (or away from) God and nullified the prophecy (and these are mentioned specifically in the Bible.  Ninevah for instance).  There are no historical inconsistencies in the Bible.  Anyone who bothers to study for himself the truth of the Scriptures comes away believing that they are true.  There is nothing "blind" about our faith.  Now, the Big Bang, there is blind faith.


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"Thou believest that God is one; thou does well: the demons also believe, and shudder." James 2:19 - Belief is never enough.
 


Posts: 1287 | Posted: 4:43 PM on January 15, 2006 | IP
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Truth of the scriptures? Nothing inconsistent in between the bible and history?

To say someone comes away believing them after reading them is absolute blind faith. There's no scientific evidence to proof, and without proof you must believe it on BLIND FAITH!

BTW: The Big Bang is a scientific theory.
Religion on the other hand has absolutely no scientific foundation. Yes, people do believe it on blind faith.




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Blasphemy-->"JEHOVAH, JEHOVAH!"
Don't make me sic my god on you!
There is no hell. There is only France
-Frank Zappa
 


Posts: 95 | Posted: 5:24 PM on January 15, 2006 | IP
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What inconsistincies can you show me between secular and biblical history?  What prophecies can you prove to me have not come to pass?


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"Thou believest that God is one; thou does well: the demons also believe, and shudder." James 2:19 - Belief is never enough.
 


Posts: 1287 | Posted: 9:42 PM on January 15, 2006 | IP
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I cannot prove an alleged prophecy if I don't believe the prophecy to begin with.

The story of Moses, a key figure in the writing of the bible is exactly the same as the tale of Sargon, and the tale of Sargon was written 800 to 1100 years before moses. I'm not saying similar, I'm saying an almost exact replica of the story. This is a typological fiction rather than true history.


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Blasphemy-->"JEHOVAH, JEHOVAH!"
Don't make me sic my god on you!
There is no hell. There is only France
-Frank Zappa
 


Posts: 95 | Posted: 08:56 AM on January 16, 2006 | IP
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So, if a prophecy becomes true, and you didn't believe the prophecy, then the action which fulfilled it didn't happen?  Despite reality?


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"Thou believest that God is one; thou does well: the demons also believe, and shudder." James 2:19 - Belief is never enough.
 


Posts: 1287 | Posted: 09:31 AM on January 16, 2006 | IP
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The bible writers wer a non-prophet organization.

Most of what is allegedly prophesized in the bible was written hundreds or even thousands of years after the alleged actions occured. It is also true that probably the oldest parts of the new testament were copied at least 64 years after the death of jesus, and most manuscript are even younger.


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Blasphemy-->"JEHOVAH, JEHOVAH!"
Don't make me sic my god on you!
There is no hell. There is only France
-Frank Zappa
 


Posts: 95 | Posted: 09:59 AM on January 16, 2006 | IP
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So then, by your estimates the New Testament was written before the Old Testament?


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"Thou believest that God is one; thou does well: the demons also believe, and shudder." James 2:19 - Belief is never enough.
 


Posts: 1287 | Posted: 12:55 PM on January 16, 2006 | IP
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No. As far as the New Testament, the first books found were copies of the ones written on papyrus that were impossible to read, and this occurred during the time of Nero in 64 CE.

Most of the other were found around 200 CE and later.

The Torah (including many books that are not included in the bible, because the people that originally put together the bible "cherry picked", was probably not in it's canonical form until 400 BCE, and the oldest parts was believed written somewhere between 960-915 BCE


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Blasphemy-->"JEHOVAH, JEHOVAH!"
Don't make me sic my god on you!
There is no hell. There is only France
-Frank Zappa
 


Posts: 95 | Posted: 1:02 PM on January 16, 2006 | IP
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Seriously?  This is what you believe?  It still doesn't show how any of what you said makes sense.  You said, specifically, that the prophecies were written AFTER the events.  By your statements then you say that the messianic prophecies were written somewhere around 1000 AD.  Nobody (but you, apparently) believes that.


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"Thou believest that God is one; thou does well: the demons also believe, and shudder." James 2:19 - Belief is never enough.
 


Posts: 1287 | Posted: 1:19 PM on January 16, 2006 | IP
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Yes. Seriously this is what I believe because it is a view held by many archeologists and scientist involved with the dating of these ancient texts. Now you can deny science all you like, but it proves nothing, and offers no evidence of your god.

Surely archeologists would have stumbled across just one tiny shred of evidence.

Oh and you can't say "Look at creation". You have to provide evidence that your god exists. The burden of proof is on you. I do not believe in any gods, so I have nothing to prove. You on the other hand must show evidence that scientifically justifies your claims.

Prophecy is not prophecy if it's written after the event, and we're not even sure moses existed, as no evidence has been found of moses. Just the bible.


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Blasphemy-->"JEHOVAH, JEHOVAH!"
Don't make me sic my god on you!
There is no hell. There is only France
-Frank Zappa
 


Posts: 95 | Posted: 1:27 PM on January 16, 2006 | IP
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I'm still looking for your proof that the Old Testament was written around AD 1000.  I guess since we don't have any evidence of Shakespeare, then all the works baring his name could've just been made up by some guy named Bill a coupld years ago.  One must really stretch one's imagination to come around to your point of view.


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"Thou believest that God is one; thou does well: the demons also believe, and shudder." James 2:19 - Belief is never enough.
 


Posts: 1287 | Posted: 1:29 PM on January 16, 2006 | IP
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One must think critically about ones position when one makes such arrogant statements.

I can provide evidence (Through the museum of natural history, the Museum of London, etc.) that, neanderthal man and paleolithic man were around long before man had the ability to create gods.

When the Old Testament was written? I can't know for sure, I can onlt reference things I've read, based on scientific evidence.

But you have a further proof. You must prove to me that your gods actually said those things in the bible and it's not a myth. Now, I have looked in many historical books, and I keep finding the same old thing. Science.

I loook at the bible and I see something from religious mythology.

So far you shown no proof of any god or any divine will or being. You repeat yourself, but you have no evidence.

You don't need to stretch your imagination, believe me, you have a terrific imagination if you believe bible mythology to be the word of a god.

However, an open mind would be helpful.


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Blasphemy-->"JEHOVAH, JEHOVAH!"
Don't make me sic my god on you!
There is no hell. There is only France
-Frank Zappa
 


Posts: 95 | Posted: 1:47 PM on January 16, 2006 | IP
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God is evil because if we cannot believe in him, we go to hell even though he has not proven his existance to everyone, thus giving an unfair choice in which knowledge is with-held. and when it comes to adam and eve is it fair that he with-held the knowledge the fruit gave from them and is it fair to punish US for their crimes?

Quote from Peter87 "If there is a god he will answer your questions"

Quote from Sol "He has.  True faith comes through prayer."

"Has God, actual God, ever directly spoken to you" is the question. your response makes no sense as an answer.


"There are around 2500 prophecies contained within the Bible.  Over 2000 of them have already come true." i saw that documentary on the history channel too! they also said u could find prophecies in ANY book even Moby Dick!

(Edited by the_general 7/17/2006 at 05:07 AM).

(Edited by the_general 7/17/2006 at 05:11 AM).

(Edited by admin 7/17/2006 at 05:25 AM).


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Religon=Opium of the Masses, except for Buddhism, thats about inner peace.

F.Y.I. to the Catholics/Christians...JESUS SAID LOVE ALL EQUALLY, HE NEVER SAID GAY PEOPLE ARE THE EXCEPTION!!!

IN AMERICA RELIGON IS NOT A GOOD REASON FOR ANY LAW!!! Period.

The idea of marriage was made in a time where being gay would be a good reason to torture you to death.

Before you say it im straight, but believe it or not im also, God forbid, tolerant.

If being gay is a choice then you accept being straight is too.

If God existed and couldn't accept gay people because he doesn't like them (guess where sins come from!) then he's imposing HIS beliefs on YOU!

If you aren't religous you can still be moral.

Where in the Bible does it say being gay is wrong, cuz if it wasnt in the first draft whats the big deal. Yes the Bible HAS been revised.

Race-does not matter
Religon-does not matter
Sex-does not matter
Sexuality-shouldn't have to matter, cuz it's not like whites don't befriend blacks , Christians don't befriend aetheists, and Men dont befriend Women, so...why make being straight or gay matter? Wanna know what does matter? We're alive. Shouldn't that be more than enough?
 


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" Is God Evil? "

No, because god does not exist...


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I'll assume by the way you've made your statement that you've proof of this...


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"Thou believest that God is one; thou does well: the demons also believe, and shudder." James 2:19 - Belief is never enough.
 


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What is evil? And what god?


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http://www.youdebate.com/cgi-bin/scarecrow/topic.cgi?forum=13&topic=3652
My debate on this is on a tangent so its on a different thread, thought I'd give a link here if you want my view.... It involves which is the greater evil?


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Quote by masterphillip666:

I believe God is the Evil one.
Think about it if you dont obey God you will be punished.
I think Lucifer is the true God for at least he gives you mercy & freedom of choice.
I suggest you study Satanisim maybe you will find peace of mind

God is not evil. He is loving. Many people say that he is evil because hewill send u 2 Hell. However, he is loving, but he is also holy and Just. Just one sin is enough 2 send u 2 hell. He sent his sone to die for u 2 pay the price for u 2 come 2 heaven. Just Ask 2 come into your heart and you will be saved.


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Posts: 451 | Posted: 6:37 PM on October 18, 2007 | IP
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"Just Ask 2 come into your heart and you will be saved."

Hmmm... can't find that in the bible anywhere... in fact, when they asked Peter what they had to do he said "believe AND be baptized".  


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 7:55 PM on November 15, 2007 | IP
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4 reversal elements of good versus bad..
There are 3 "elements" of temptation
1. White
2. Pink
3. Black

1 element of sastificaction
1. red

Satin uses this "evil" temptation to gain his own sastification ( self-fullying propecy of Buddah).


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The way i see it, god and the devil are inter-changeable. Satan confused and lured humans by telling him that he was all-powerful and that god could not stop him. Could that be true? Isnt that what god is saying about The Devil? God must have some sort of evil in him. He gave abraham the son he had been praying for, let him watch his son grow up, and then told himt to slaughter him. Just as he was about to slaughter him for god (i would never do such a thing to my child no metter who told me to) god basically says "Oh, Just Kidding" and tells him to slaughter an innocent lamb for him inside. That is evil. God is evil.


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