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There is a problem with where the faith is going today. Talking about how it doesn't matter what you have done with your life, so long as you repent your sins you shall be forgiven. Now don't get me wrong you should repent your sins. But like anything else you should never make the same mistake twice. Once you are aware that something is wrong, you can't play ignorant the next time around. You know the difference.

I watch TV and see preachers on there saying " Jesus has forgiven your sins, you are freed of your sins."  And the person shake on the floor for a little bit. Stands up crying, " I feel the power, I feel Jesus in me." And the preacher replies. " Now may you go, and may all the riches you desire be yours. May you keep Jesus in your life." And everyone is happy. Which is great if it's true. But the finacial gain and the ability to futher yourself before oters. Is not a Christian teaching.

What I don't understand is why they exploit the religion, in order to gain a profit. The Catholic religion owns its own state. The Vatican. Now I'm sure that money = greed and that greed begot sin. You need money to indulge in you desires. Oh I need these new shoes.(while you have 2 pairs at home) Oh I have enough for a dozen cold ones.(Alcohol weakens your judgement, and is not a neccessity). While 2/3 of the worlds population is living in poverty. Starving, no access to clean water, disease. It's just not right.

I now I am no one to judge, but the church and the faith have gone to hell. It's no longer about sharing the Good News and saving people from damnation, it's about numbers, profits, turnout. They sell religious  items on infomercials. Jesus is more popular as an expression then he is a martyr. O' Babylon.

In our society we have no sense of morality, compassion, or even goodwill towards men. There is always one person we don't like. There is always something wrong with another. For some reason, we never have everything we need. We are never content. We judge yet we have not been judged ourselves. I think its time for a change.

People need to know that there is more to life then just materialism and self-fulfilment. That we need to work together in order to bring stability back to this world. In order to save souls. Alas, I can not even convince the present day church of that.

We have become Babylon. And I don't mean in literal terms. Babylon is not a place you can point out on a map. Its a way of life. It's the foundation of a corrupt society. Revelations speaks of a whore called Babylon (metaphor). The very symbol of the free world is the statue of liberty. And none see it. We flock to her. America. The land of the free, the proud and the strong. The land of opertunity, and an escape haven from wrongs we commited else where. And we are all immagrants so we are all guilty.

For too long has she corrupted us. We need guidance, we need freedom from te bondage of sin. And no matter how hard we may try, no matter how much we say " We can change". It will never happen. God save our souls.



(Edited by Michael 1/27/2005 at 11:43 PM).

(Edited by Michael 1/27/2005 at 11:52 PM).


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Posts: 22 | Posted: 5:23 PM on January 27, 2005 | IP
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I agree with you that the church preachs about not sinnin and "sins" itself, but what you are surgesting seems to lead to a church ran country, based on religion. But what about atheists who belive in self fulfillment.
Also Babylon is/was a realy place, there was a contry called babalonia, and a the city of babylon, hence hanging gardens of babylon. Now I presume that you know that and are still useing it as metaphore but reading through your post I wasn't sure.
Also I have no intention of ever going to america at all in my life, unless after university you have a national shortage of chemical engineers and I got offered a hell of alot of money... :D lol


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 7:42 PM on January 28, 2005 | IP
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I'm Canadian.


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Posts: 22 | Posted: 11:02 AM on January 30, 2005 | IP
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Good, not it was just the way that you seemed to surgest everyone wants to be american


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 11:51 AM on January 31, 2005 | IP
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It's not that everyone wants to be American. It's that we allow the United States to have such a profound effect on our lives and culture and that America is the new age Babylon. And its not only Americans that are sinners but everyone that has adopted the American way of thinking. The free world. Its based on hate and greed. Survival of the fittest. Who cares about the poor and the hungry that doesn't affect me. That type of theology


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Posts: 22 | Posted: 5:08 PM on January 31, 2005 | IP
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This is a continuation on what I was talking about before. America-Babylon. I want to make something very clear Americans are not the only ones that sin. Canadians, French, Germans, Finns, Norweigns, Mexicans, Russians, Brits and the list goes on and on and on and on. Anyone that has, like I said, Free- world theology. I am no stranger to sin and not exempt from this group. And to understand why I say such things you have to look at it from my perspective.

First, Yahweh is the creator of Heaven and Earth. In seven days created all. Man was created in the likeness of Yahweh. Man was tempted and man sinned. Yahweh was dissapointed. He created us. Gave us life and the world to rule. So man is banned from paradise.

Paradise is why we desire. It is the one thing that we long for so much because it was so precious to us. The ideology of today. Money gives us what we desire, so we use money as a form of finding paradise.

So we spend our lives devoted to currency. Our entire society has given into currency. You say that currency has been around as long as man has? Only since man lost paradise.

Did you ever hear, " ..give to greed what belongs to greed and give to Him (God) what belongs to Him." ? It was Yeshua (Jesus), when he went to the temple and there were tax collectors on the steps of the temple. A holy place. The one sanctuary where greed, lust and hate do not lingure. Violated by the beast.

Did you ever listen to the message, rather then trying to determine whether or not it was true ?

Give to greed what belongs to greed.

Well greed is the tool of Satan. Money has replaced Him(God). The way we see it now is that, " Who needs Him now ? We can buy paradise." How sad for us. Maybe not consiously we don't. But humans are resentful.

" And I know if I lived i paradise and I was booted out for eating a piece of fruit; I'd be resentful." maybe we shold be saying " But I didn't respect what my god had told me. I betrayed Him. He knows all and I should have not questioned his judgement."

But thats what ? Oh yeah human nature.

For some reason people learn from their mistakes. If we used collective knowledge as a form of social behavior, we'd live in paradise. Think about all the mistakes we could have avoided. War, genoside, the atomic bomb, air pollution. Only scratching the surface of the last 100 years. That doesn't include the acts of individuals.

Murder, adultry, theft, idolatry, the taking of neighbors goods, the taking of a neighbors wives, having another god before the true god, dishonoring our mothers and fathers, not keeping the sabbath day holy and, everyones favorite, using His name in vain. How often do you say " Oh my !@# ?" or " I swear to $%^." I'm sure there are more. I think they use it in the legal system too.

So lets take the second part.

Give to Him (God) what belongs to Him.

So what do you think He deserves. Keeping in mind. He is the creator of Heaven and Earth. In seven days created all. He has shown us love, compassion and forgiveness.

Should we do the same ?

Man was created in the likeness of Him. So, how come we don't strive to be like him. He is rightious, is he not ? He gave us the world to rule, and treated us as his children. Allowed us to do as we pleased and made us a companion for for company. All sexual immorality and pervertism aside.

Don't you miss that? Imagine a world witout hate, famine, disease, war, disasters, lust and greed. A world based on peace, love an prosperity. And I don't mean on a financial basis. Wouldn't that be nice? It's any wonder that we yearn for paradise.

Us Christians, we call it Heaven. The Jews, The land of milk and honey. Nirvana for Buddists.

It's funny how were all looking for the same thing.

For non believers, Athiest. A beautiful sub-tropical island. Preferably yours. A large log cabin, overlooking the beach. An abundance of fresh fruit for the taking. A beautiful woman/man (in consideration of woman readers) on your arm. And just smoothe sailing.

Eden was very much like that.Physically. I'm sure the ideology wasn't the same.

I don't see much of a difference, Do you ?

Atheist, Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddist, Hindu.

Except in ideology.

Now this is where conflict comes into play. Atheists have no belief nor faith in the idea that there is a supreme force that created all. Execpt what man has made. They believe life is chance and out for all the beings that started out at the begining of time. The ones that survived are fortunate to have made it this far. Survival of the fittest.

We put ourselves at the top. I wonder why that is ?

Darwins theory of eveloution is quite similar to that.

Darwins theory is the exact opposite of what religon is. Freedom from rules and regulations, Avoiding the truth because ignorance is bliss.
The belief that all that is, happened by chance. How sad for us.

Science. The very root that prevents the truth from being revealed. It is the very system we created as humans, with first hand experience and this is how earth formed. This is how life started, this is what has happened in the past. This is why. This is where we are headed, these are the problems we are facing and this is the ultimate outcome. Does it kind of sound farmiliar. The bible explains those things. Not the same idea. But it refers to those things. So does the Qu'ran  and I think the Torah does aswell. Again, not the same message. But the same topics.

Yet Eveloution is the more predominant religion in our society. The only problem is that it is refered to as fact. I did not see the Lord Almighty come down from the clouds and say this is asit is.

The only facts that we can come up with to prove that eveloution is the truth is by using a system that was created by humans. Designed around the theory that we are supreme, we are right.

Oh, I'm sorry, did I call it a religon ?
I forgot it's fact.

The thing is though I wasn't around 4 billion years ago to witness all of these events happening. Sure I can refer to what society has deemed fact. We use a dating system that was created by our math sysem, who's to say its not wrong. You question faith that easy, why not science ?

Were you there 4 billion years ago ? No. Let me guess, we have scientific proof of the earths age. The bible claims that it is 10,000 years old and that it was He who created heaven and earth. But I guess that can't be true seeing as they off no proof, nor can you find any. But you weren't there 10,000 years ago, how do you know there not right and you are ? Oh yeah. Your proof. A personal incounter with god doesn't count. We forgot. He doesn't exist. Your belief. I'm sorry fact.

Hindu's worship a graven image of a god. Enough said.

Faith is the key to the continuing existence of earth. Our gift from Him. We need to seek him in order to find paradise. We are not going to find it in Money, in Science nor in idolatry. And in order to achieve this obviously common goal we have to work together.

And that is my ideology on religon. I'm sure there are probably a few things in my speal I forgot. But I havebeen typing for about 2 hours so I need some rest. I will review it and continue on from there.

P.S. reference to He/Him- refering to Yahweh.


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Posts: 22 | Posted: 01:36 AM on February 1, 2005 | IP
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A sound theroy, I must admit, but it doesn't change that without belief and faith, there is no way it would be followed, and there is loads of proof for evolution and big bang theorys, not going to go into them, the out the Creationism vs Evolution Topics. But there is no evidence for creation storys, its all down to faith.

So basically, the religious world should unite in the quest for "paradise" and worship. And leave the capatalism and greed and self improvement to us non-belivers.


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 09:19 AM on February 1, 2005 | IP
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If anyone has questions please ask because I appreciate the challenge of defending what I believe and it gives me a basis of argument.


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Posts: 22 | Posted: 12:05 AM on February 13, 2005 | IP
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Yes, christianity should be reformed, and by that I mean abolished.

Christianity is a monotheistic religion that has been revised several times. Most of the time, to abolish rules that wouldn't fit the time.

Jesus wasn't a savior, he was a revisionist, revising what the jews believe to fit more comfortably with the times.

Christianity has revised itself several times since.

Christianity ALWAYS revises itself as modern science shuts the door on the myths of it.


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Posts: 95 | Posted: 12:58 PM on January 15, 2006 | IP
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Christianity has not been "revised" in two millennia.  Denominations have been "revised" multiple times.  One bases Christianity on the Bible, not on the denominations which have sprung forth from the original church established by Christ.  


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"Thou believest that God is one; thou does well: the demons also believe, and shudder." James 2:19 - Belief is never enough.
 


Posts: 1287 | Posted: 2:46 PM on January 15, 2006 | IP
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An excellent resource for you would be:

Secret Origins of the Bible:

Available at

http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=br_ss_hs/103-0001232-7655862?search-alias=aps&keywords=Secret%20Origins%20of%20the%20Bible


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Posts: 95 | Posted: 6:21 PM on January 15, 2006 | IP
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Well, that didn't really say anything and I'm highly unlikely to run right out and buy the book because you purport it to be true, but ok.  Of course, since their is a book out, I'm sure that there are no longer any "secret" origins of the Bible and that everyone is aware of this by now.  This isn't anything like that idiot who made up a non-existant Jewish guy who wrote all of the Old Testament, which was all some sort of cosmic metaphor and we are all part of some giant tree is it?


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"Thou believest that God is one; thou does well: the demons also believe, and shudder." James 2:19 - Belief is never enough.
 


Posts: 1287 | Posted: 9:58 PM on January 15, 2006 | IP
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I was telling you about the book because it's a good resource if you like to study theology.

If you wish to speak intelligently on a subject, what is the harm in someone pointing out a good book that they found intruiging?


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Don't make me sic my god on you!
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-Frank Zappa
 


Posts: 95 | Posted: 08:33 AM on January 16, 2006 | IP
    
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