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Does God have a gender?

Male? Female? Both? Neither?

Thoughts, anyone?
 


Posts: 292 | Posted: 07:01 AM on April 29, 2005 | IP
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no one can answer that question, anyone that trys to doesn't know the answer...



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Posts: 301 | Posted: 8:17 PM on April 29, 2005 | IP
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hey, just let me be controversial, okay? ;)
 


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ok.. I belive that god is of a third gender lets call it godmale (instead of female)... becuase its not wrong for him to love everyone and for a man to love a man would be a sin or a woman to love a woman would be a sin... plus in a christian marriage god is the "third party" and you couldn't have two members of the same gender in a marriage that would be a sin....
or alternativly god made humans in his image, but he made a male first so therefore god is male.
or he is niether because he doesn't exist ;)
or niether becuase he is some kind of nature aspect/force and is not like we presume god to be like (old guy with a beard)
or female becuase he is benevolent and there arn't that many men that are all loving...

thats my "opinion"


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good work ;)
 


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male/female is an animal thing, and has to do with biological reprodution. The Great I Am, Who we call God, is Spirit, filling the whole universe, not monkeys like us.
 


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So, why the whole "father" thing? "He" sounds male to me...
 


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But that's years of tradition... no one knows and probably never will... But he remotely looks humanoid because of Genesis.


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i dunno - i mean, Christianity has always been an extrememly patriarchal institution. I just have a feeling that if anyone were to say that they believed God to be, say...FEMALE , i think there would be a bit of an outcry from somewhere . I really think that God is seen as male.

Also, question: if Adam was made first, and in the image of God, was Eve made second in the image of Adam or of God like Adam was?
(this kinda goes along with my God=male hype...)
 


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I would like to finally add some thoughts to this discussion.

(1)God isn't Natural, as far as our understanding of what is Natural. God is above it, or Supernatural. Why then do we place assumptions on God as though he had to even have a Gender? this is like asking what kind of a square is a cube... its above 2-dimensions, its further than square... it would appear to be a square in a two-dimensional sense, but this is not in fact proof of it's square-ness... God has selected the male reference for our understanding but this does not limit God's "gender" to being male, it is beyond us to extrapolate from the information we have.


that alone should end the discussion as pointless, but i'll go on with some more thoughts.

(2) What possible purpose would gender serve God? except for identifying with us humans, it serves no purpose.

(3) Who would god have sex with anyways? we obviously can't speculate on such things..


so while it may stimulate our brains to ponder something like this, it really bares no significance whatsoever to the kingdom of heaven, and would most probably be viewed by God as a waste of time and thought.



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Who would God have sex with? wtf?? That's not what gender is about! Gender is more or less determined by the generalised characteristics of the sexes (more social, rather than simply physical). It has nothing to do with having sex with anyone.

I opened this thread because of the whole 'Father' and 'He' etc. referenece - it seems that the patriarchal ideologies held by Christian and other religious institutions could very well stem from this reference, and I was wondering whether these beliefs are in fact justified.

Please don't refer to this as a pointless discussion...arguably, pretty much every discussion on this forum is pointless, but still of interest to people.
 


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no problem, if you dont like the last two points, its no big deal....

i addressed the father and he references in my first point quite well, so i dont see why you appear to be upset.. of course gender isn't JUST physical, but it IS physical in a large way so to dismiss that is equally ridiculous... if you note however, that i don't focus on the physical aspect, but paid more attention to what the thread deals with



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The reason why God is addressed as He is because of Divine Revelation through the prophets and finally through Jesus Christ our Savior.  Jesus, while on Earth, addressed God as "abba" which translates to Father.  The Church does not make up these things; rather she relies on Divine Revelation for her teachings.  Further, it would seem, to me at least, that Carns is right in saying that God does not have a gender.  Just like we know that God is omniscient--all knowing.  From that term we know what "knowing" is, but we fail to know what "all" is.  We cannot grasp how a being would have all knowledge, so therefore, how can we grasp God with his infinity?  Which essentiates to Him revealing Himself through His son so that we may know Him, at least to our human understanding of what "He" is.  


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Quote from got_dooie at 10:19 PM on June 2, 2005 :
Which essentiates to Him revealing Himself through His son so that we may know Him, at least to our human understanding of what "He" is.  


Okay, are you just messing with me now? Are there any other male pronouns you may have forgotten to add?

So, why did Jesus refer to God as 'father'? Would it be blasphemous to refer to God as 'She' or 'Mother' (weird, yes...but blasphemous?)


 


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Would it be blasphemous?  Well it would be right down heresy if you must ask.  Firstly, if you are Catholic, you therefore believe that the Church is Herself established by Jesus.  This would also entail that you believe in Papal authority and the Church as the main interpreter of Divine Revelation.  It follows, then, that it is divinely revealed to us, through Christ, that God is addressed as Father.  Secondly, if you are protestants you still believe in Christ's teachings and therefore leading you to address God as Father just as Christ did.



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So...God's neither male or female (or both??), but he must only be referred to using male pronouns, and it's heresy to ever use female pronouns - is that the gist of it?


 


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Well it's pretty safe to say that God, according to Divine Revelation, is a male.  Jesus revealed to us that there is One God yet three persons:  The Father, the Son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit.  So it is Divinely Revealed that God is a He.  So if you must ask, it's heresy to use female pronouns for God because that is not what is Divinely Revealed.  Sorry but it's not up to us, it's up to Him to revealed it to us through His son.


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Basicaly, the bible was written by men so they refered to god as male.


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Basicaly, the bible was written by men so they refered to god as male.


Given the premise: The bible was written by men.  Your conclusion not necessarily follows that God would be referred to as a "he."  The bible was written by men who followed Christ and who was also driven by the Holy Spirit to write.  Therefore what they write is what they have been revealed to divinely.  They do not write on what they "think" God is, rather they wrote on what God revealed Himself to them to be.  You need not necessarily agree with such point because you don't have to believe in the bible, i.e. athiests and other religions.  However, once you accept the Bible as what it is, you have to acknowledge that Jesus is the Savior and therefore revealed to us his Father as Father and not Mother.

(Edited by got_dooie 6/6/2005 at 10:16 PM).


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so are we saying God is male? (thought i'd get straight to the point...)
 


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to the point, i refer to him as male, but i think he's beyond gender in the same way a cube is beyond a square.


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ah but a cube contains six square faces, so are you surgesting god has multiple genders? Actualy they are all the same, so he is like six men, very manly.

Nah I'm just kidding with you, I know what you mean.


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I must be missing something.

Not once have I found in the bible where this christian god is a female. In fact the bible makes it very clear this god is a male. (Has to be to impregnate an alleged virgin right?)

It's quite apparent the christian god is not female.

If God were a female he would have to sacrifice birds to himself (?herself?). Read about the way he goes on and on about how unclean it is for a woman to have her period, he's obviously disgusted with menstruation, seeing how he finds it so unclean.

And talk about ridiculous. Every month after menstruating a woman has to bring two birds to the preacher to have one of them sacrificed to the god that supposedly created her, because unless she does, she cannot make attonement for being unclean!

This is circular nonlogic.

(See Leviticus 17,18, and 19)

So, assuming the Christian god is male, he has inadvertantly limited himself (from being a female) and therefore cannot be considered all powerful. In addition, since he finds menstruation to be unclean, and requires a sacrifice for forgiveness from it, he created his own "sin".

Now you can jump back and say this is not literal (as christians always seem to do when something as illogical as this appears and someone points it out). In doing so, however, the entire book..rather the entire compilation of books that make up the bible must not be taken literally.

Either way, the christian created god is not only cruel, but he's neurotic. He also seems to have a fetsh for menstuation.


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What?


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Read it for yourself.


Not once have I found in the bible where this christian god is a female. In fact the bible makes it very clear this god is a male. (Has to be to impregnate an alleged virgin right?)

It's quite apparent the christian god is not female.

If God were a female he would have to sacrifice birds to himself (?herself?). Read about the way he goes on and on about how unclean it is for a woman to have her period, he's obviously disgusted with menstruation, seeing how he finds it so unclean.

And talk about ridiculous. Every month after menstruating a woman has to bring two birds to the preacher to have one of them sacrificed to the god that supposedly created her, because unless she does, she cannot make attonement for being unclean!

This is circular nonlogic.

(See Leviticus 17,18, and 19)

So, assuming the Christian god is male, he has inadvertantly limited himself (from being a female) and therefore cannot be considered all powerful. In addition, since he finds menstruation to be unclean, and requires a sacrifice for forgiveness from it, he created his own "sin".

Now you can jump back and say this is not literal (as christians always seem to do when something as illogical as this appears and someone points it out). In doing so, however, the entire book..rather the entire compilation of books that make up the bible must not be taken literally.

Either way, the christian created god is not only cruel, but he's neurotic. He also seems to have a fetsh for menstuation.



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I thought that most people who assumed that God, not having a physcial body, did not have a gender.  The use of the term father was a relationship term and the use of the term he and him was to avoid confusion.  After all, if your replace every he and him in the bible with an it, it would become very hard to read and would often leave uncertainty about which noun a pronoun was relating to in any given verse.


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The term father is indeed a relationship term, but the word "He" is gender specific.

But what if you replaced "he' with "she"


I'm not assuming the monothiestic diety has a body, because to do so would assume actual existence.

I am simply responding to the post about gender. The "evidence" points to a male figure, and I pointed out Leviticus because I found it quite hilarious what a hang-up this god seems to have with menstruation.


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But it wasn't just menstruation.  Many things could make someone ceremonially unclean.  Almost all of them were gender neutral.  It's not like he picked out something that both a woman and man can do and said it was only unclean for the woman.


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I agree. This god has a lot of silly hangups. He also feels like he can tell any one group to annihilate another group, And you as a christian think this is OK?

It wouldn't matter if this god is male or female. This god simply likes to kill people and threaten eternal damnation in a fire for our paltry time on earth.

We don't know the sex, but we do know that this god, while saying he loves what he supposedly created, has spared no wrath on us tiny creatures.

If he was a god of love, history would not be full of crusades and annihilation of others.


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I love my children.  That does not mean that I do not punish them for their transgressions.  I would be remiss not to.  It also does not mean that there aren't anythings that they might do which would make it impossible for me to condone what they do.  Would it be loving of me to have one child under my house who became a drug addicted, thieving, prostitute while my other child was a studious, hard working, compassionate child?  What ever happened to justice being part of love?  Sometime you have to let someone you love go.  God will do the same.


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I'm sure you love your children.

Your remark about having one thieving prostitute of a child and another being hard working. Wouldn't it be more "Christian" of you to love the drug-addicted, theiving, prostitute of a child?

I mean, it's easy to love a good person, the real love is shown when you love the outcast (or something to that effect.) Didn't this jesus make this point?


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The point was... you wouldn't treat both children the same.  You wouldn't give the child who turned his back on you the same comfort and privilege the child that did that which was right received.  Otherwise, you're telling the children that there behavior has absolutely no consequence.  Or, in your world, would you say that a Mother Theresa and Jeffrey Dahmer should receive the exact same treatment despite their actions?


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That sounds a little extreme to me, dahmer vs. M. Theresa. Anyway, we both live in the same world, you simplyhave differing beliefs.

But no I do not agree with you that you should show one more comfort than the other. Perhaps the child with the problems is the one who requires the most attention, and it need not be negative attention.


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So, you are saying that it is fair to the child who has always done what is expected of them to let the one who never does what is right to enjoy the same comforts that they do?  What exactly is it that you are trying to convey to the children?  That no matter what they went through to follow your rules that in the end it was all for nothing because you're going to treat the disobedient child the same way?  Or worse, that you are going to give them better treatment (as you suggested) because they need it more?  No wonder the world has become such a wicked place.


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Who said anything about fair? I'm simply restating what Jesus basically said, and that is that it's easy to love the person that loves you. The real test of love is to love those who despise you.

In respect to a bad child, loving guidance would probably be just as effective as beating the France out of them.


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Again, you avoid the point.  One can not say that because "God is love" that that is the end of it.  And anything which doesn't appear loving must prove that there is no God.  One can not ignore that God was also a jealous God.  A just God.  etc.


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God is Jealous?


Really? What is he jealous of? A whole bunch of people say he's all powerful, but that doesn't make any sense, because jealousy is a wasted emotion.

Jealousy is a HUMAN EMOTION AND IS A FLAWED WAY OF THINKING! Therefore, God is flawed.

And just how is this god just? He completely annihilates people using his band of jewish radicals because he's jealous that they are bowing to a rock?

God needs anger management class.




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Apparently you have a skewed vision of the term jealous.  And are you saying that no one has EVER been justifiably angry?  I find that rather myopic, don't you?


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You keep changing what I say to what you want to hear, because it provides you a basis for argument.

Where in my response did I say no one has ever been justifiably angry.

Are you myopic? I did not say that.

You made it up. You are creative, I'll give you that.

How is my view skewed?

Give me then a definition of Jealousy...


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