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Sounds like a cope-out to me.


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Posts: 341 | Posted: 5:31 PM on November 18, 2002 | IP
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yup


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Posts: 134 | Posted: 12:25 AM on November 19, 2002 | IP
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Gs- "So if I were you I would delete your post, because I literally shread your argument to pieces.  That is my warning.  I will do it."
(Mighty tough talk to start with)

Gs-  "I refuse to debate, since I will not change your beliefs - since you all will not accept anything I say."
(Sounds like the old 'I'll take my toys and go home! Wah!Wah!Wah!')

Gs-  "It's not that they don't agree - its that they are way to close-minded to agree!  It's no use!"
(Maybe Gs is not very good at defending his points, so he blames everyone for being close minded.  Pretty childish.  Not so tough after all.
 


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That's the funniest post so far.  Register.


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I say the funniest post so far was the one on taking God's word literally. How much to sell a daugher into slavery again?


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That one was pretty good.  Who was it addressing?  I forgot.


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"The greatest evil is not done in those sordid dens of evil that Dickens loved to paint ... but is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried and minuted) in clear, carpeted, warmed, well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voices." - Thomas Merton

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sakata (GS hadn't made his debut yet)


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here is my conspiracy theory. sakata and gs-deus are the same person. dr. jekyll and mr. hyde. bruce banner and the incredible hulk. about it...sakata left, hasn't come back since, and gs-deus arrived right afterwards. gs-deus is the alter-ego she takes on when she wants to get REAL nasty (and also whine a lot). ok, not being serious.


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Posts: 292 | Posted: 11:45 PM on November 19, 2002 | IP
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In the words of Strongbad, "HOLY CRAAAP."  You might be onto something.  Gs is a disgruntled hellfire and brimstone Sakata.  

Talk about tangents.  Oh yeah, Christian nation, blah blah deist blah, blah blah, jefferson blah.


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I don't think Sakata is Gs-deus. Sakata was debating here before I came. I got an e-mail from GS-deus telling me about a conservative youth web-site, and asked me if I could find anyone else. I posted about it here and told him about this site. He joined so that he could 'recruit' people for his site, but he soon got involved in the debating. Sakata had left before I started posting about Gs's site.

Anyway, that is a long way of saying that, unless Gs-deus went to rather elaborate lengths, he is not Sakata.


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I really was just kidding. I never meant for it to be this much of  tangent. Sorry. I was just hacking on the conservatives. That's what us liberals live for...


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Ohh...ok. I've been acused of being two people in another forum, and I didn't like it, so I was defending Gs and Sakata. Didn't catch the jesting. Sorry.

"I was just hacking on the conservatives. That's what us liberals live for..."

As long as I get to hack on you some...


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So many of the founding fathers were not christian that it is incorrect to say that christians founded the nation. Also, many like to argue that since some of them, like Washington, mentioned christianity at all means they were christians. What makes more sense, to mention the diety to the populace, the people who vote you into power, in speeches but send your true feelings through letters and in personal situations, or to speak what you really believe in large speeches to masses of people and then play this lie game with your personal friends where you all pretend you don't believe Jesus is god? The debate on this site, for example, quotes Ethan Allen saying something religious in a political context and then mentions he refused to be married under any god other than nature at his wedding. Which sounds like the real belief? The one where he's a politician rousing crowds or the one where he is in a hugely important situation that is very personal to him?
 


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good point. just because someone mentions God or Jesus every once in a while does not mean that they truly believe in Him


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Aw, comon guys really, like I am going to make an alter-ego to come get mad at you guys :p  I thought you guys would know I dont easily back out debates by now... and I didnt leave, I have just been really busy with school and mock trial and stuff sorry.

Anyway back to the topic...

"I have felt His [God's] hand upon me in great trails and submitted to His guidance, and I trust that as He shall further open the way, I will be ready to walk therein, relying on His help and trusting in His goodness and wisdom."
    -Abraham Lincoln

"There is one only God, and he all perfect"
   -Thomas Jefferson

"[Providence] has at times been my only dependence for all other resources seemed to have fail'd us."
   -George Washington

"The visible marks of extraordinary wisdom and power appear so plainly in all the works of the creation that a rational creature, who will but seriously reflect on them, cannot miss the discovery of a Deity."
    -John Locke

"It is impossible to account for the creation of the universe without the agency of a Supreme Being."
   -George Washington


"That to love God with all thy heart and thy neighbor as thyself is the sum of religion."
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(Edited by Sakata 12/4/2002 at 01:23 AM).


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sakata is back!!! yah!!


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Responding to a few things quite a way back...

"....Perhaps its idly standing by as the holocaust unfolds around them..."

If I recall correctly, no one discovered the horror of the Holocaust until Allied and Russian forces made it into German territory. The Germans were very good at hiding everything that happened, and they had a good propaganda campaign going about their treatment of Jewish people. I believe Allied and Russian forces moved into Germany faster after they discovered some of those camps.

Also, The Declaration of Independence makes many references to Christianity. Someone probably pointed that out, but three pages of stuff to read through...


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Where does the Declaration of Independence make reference to christianity?
 


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Well, to God... That's what I meant. Judeo-Christian references. >_<

"...the seperate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them..."

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights..."


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Posts: 351 | Posted: 10:30 PM on December 8, 2002 | IP
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First, FDR knew about the holocaust well before the allies broke through into Germany, in fact, he was recieving reports on it before the US even entered the war. Second, the referance was to the German christians who stood idly by and did nothing.
Second, the US government we live under today is not based on the dec of ind. it is based on the constitution which has no reference to God. So that point is null. Sakata's point actually proves the reverse, because all of our founding fathers who believed strongly in christian morality still felt it desirable not to enforce their own beliefs upon the populace by crafting a state sponsered religion or religious message. This foresight is tragically not shared by their modern christian heirs.


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now i think FDR was our greatest president ever, but it is true when dsa says that he knew about the Holocaust before he entered the war. secondly, while German Christians did not do anything to stop the Holocaust (and there is no excuse for that at all), Nazis were strictly atheist. thirdly, government and religion should be separate, and they were intended to be when the Constitution was written.


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FDR was a Democrat... Well, not many others knew :P I told you all Democrats were evil...

I saw something on the History CHannel the other day now that I think about it. It was really only those in the administration that knew anything...

The Declaration of Independence was written by our founding fathers--that's why I said something about it. The Constitution just says there should be no state religion, not that country should be void of at as a lot of liberals interpret it.


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Many of the founding fathers were religious men but where still opposed to government support of religion.  It is no argument in favor of America being a christian nation to simply quote a founder saying that religion is good , or even that religion is important to government.  They can believe these things and at the same time believe that government has no business supporting religion.

If the sum of your case that America is a Christian nation because some of the framers were religious people, then you have no case at all.
 


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This IS a Christian Nation no matter what the Constitution or anything else says.

I am NOT a Christian per se. But my idea of morality, just like everyone else's, have been heavily influenced by the Christian religion. Just as our forefathers were influenced by it at the writing of the Constitution.
"Thou Shalt Not Kill" Steal, cheat, lie, commit adultery, be homosexual....you know, basically, "Do Unto others..."

We may not be a Christian Nation by definition, but the truth is that Christianity has had a bigger influence on this country than any other person, place, thing, or idea in history.


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OK, I see two different arguments here. The first is that since this country's core values match that of christianity's, we are christian. but under that logic, we are actually a jewish nation, because we had those ideas first. But you don't see any jews running around calling this a jewish nation. We are a free nation that takes the best ideas from all sources, but only swears allegiance to justice.
Then broker's argument (in addition to his stock and utterly retarded argument that democrats are the epitomy of all evil) is that all the constitution says is that we can't establish religion, not that we are devoid of it. But it isn't just liberals who interpret it this way, look at our dear friend Chief Justice Earl Warren, 3 term Republican governor of California and Republican VP candidate against Truman. Recall his interpretation of the 1st amendment? The argument that the government saying "we aren't making an official statement, but we REALLY REALLY like this particular religious belief " is not in violation of the establishment clause is absurd.


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I think that the origin of our morals are irrelevant.  I'm sure that you could trace our morals farther back than even the Jews.
Christianity is really just a "collection" of morals of which the people of this country identify with, whether they're Christian, Jewish or even atheists.  Even (most) atheists believe that people should "Do Unto Others..."

Yes we swear allegiance to Justice, but even our justice system is based on the Constitution, which is again Heavily influenced by those "collection" of morals, Christianity if you will.


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what is your freaking point hooyah???
everyone knows there is a lot of Christian influence on the government. that is the problem!!! some people think that needs to change. if you agree that this exists, and in other threads you have agreed the Constitution and secularism should be upheld, why do you keep repeating this as if it is as excuse?? and i am an agnostic, and i agree with almost all Christian values, such as don't kill, etc, because they make sense. you don't need to believe in any God to accept those as part of your own value system. but no to homosexuality, or yes to Hell for non-believers...yeah, I don't dig those values. because nothing outside the faith which determined them points to them being correct, or right, or anything of value.

and by the way, the Catholic Church DID know about the Holocaust before Allied soldiers marched into the camps. That is a fact. I can't look it up cause my search engines don' work, but maybe dsadevil, who is a bonifide walking encyclopedia, knows of something.

i don't think the Papacy's silence invalidates Christian values, but it sure as heck to me invalidates the legitimacy of the institution of Catholicism, just as people like Jerry Falwell invalidate the leadership of Protestantism with their mind numbing stupidity.


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well, the people who orchestrated the Holocaust were all atheist


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You can actually find pictures of Hitler shaking the hand of the pope and a large portion of the brwon army at mass, not that that means anything but i thought it was interesting


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The catholic church not only knew about the holocaust butalso hid nazi war criminals after the war, and yes the pope and hitler and mussolini where good friends. Do you know why the vatican suddenly became rich during ww2 and after...think for a minute it will come to you(all those teeth and jewish gold maybe).


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ok thats really disturbing. i havent done much research on the role of the Catholic Church in the Holocaust (although it would not surprise me if they did have a role).


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while the Catholic Church may have been behind it too, Hitler was undoubtably an atheist. he explains this in his own writings


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yes, i agree most if not all real, Nazis were atheists. and there were some (i don't know how many) incredibly compassionate and brave Christians who helped hide Jews. none of this is really relevant. atheism does not institutionally preach that it knows the absolute truth on morals. Christians do. so an atheist can fail morally and not invalidate some institution of atheism. The Pope, on the other hand, claims to be God's vicar on earth. If he fails morally, he DOES invalidate the moral authority of the Church. maybe that sounds unfair, but that's what you get when you have a few guys somewhere asserting they are the temporal representation of an all-knowing, all-powerful, all-good entity.


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Okay, Alex....
So now "Doing unto others as you would have them do unto you" is a "problem?"
I mean....that is at the heart of Christianity...and our Country!


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i never said i was Catholic


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hooyah...

I have no idea what you're talking about. you're going to have to show me where I said there was any "problem" with the Golden Rule.


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I always have considered the Catholic church corrupt... thank you for passing that along. I've never heard that before.

Around 80% of Americans consider themselves Christian. I think calling it a Christian nation if justified with those figures. There may be 2000 other religions here, but 80% of the population doesn't profess to be a part of theose religions.

How about what happened in New York? They ruled Jewish and Muslim symbols to be secular, but not Christian symbols.

Maybe we should stop pandering to the minority. I think all anyone is after is that minority vote. We need to stop being politically correct in this country. Why screen an 80 year old women at an airport instead of the Arab guy from Yemen? Democrats cry foul right there, but grandma's not driving planes into buildings, is she? It's not white Chrstian men who are our biggest threat. It's Arab Muslim extremists.

Point: We shouldn't change everything for a minority. We shouldn't persecute the majority for the minority. We need to stop some of the political correctness.


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80% of America being christian makes us a majority christian nation. No more.
Certain Jewish, Christian, and Muslim symbols are considered secular (See Lynch v. Donnely). I believe central park has a giant christamas tree no? For the record I dont think any of the symbols should be shown. But there is no evidence I see of a double standard.
White men dont fly planes into buildings. True, they just drive trucks with bombs into buildings (paging Timothy McVeigh). Oh wait, THEY DO fly planes into buildings (that teenager from Tampa).
Point? Try pointless.


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What religion does a Christmas tree advocate? Christmas is a secular holiday.

I don't see how airport security would have effected that incident, dsadevil. How would stopping political correctness have done anything?

What happened in Tampa was an isolated incident. Different, too. He didn't hijack the plane.


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Christmas is secular? ha! how so? I can personally assure that us non-christians (believe it or not we do exist) dont view it as such. To prempt your next argument, the fact that there are few of us nonchristians to protest that the holiday is religous doesnt make it nonreligious. It makes it majority religious (repping the religion of the majority).
You state that tampa was an isolated incident. as opposed to what? I dont see arabs smashing planes into buildings everyday either. Its pretty isolated too.
I dont have a problem with ethnic screening, but I dont believe in whisking every single arab man off either. It should be a factor, not an end to itself.


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President Cleaveland (I think it was him) signed a bill making Christmas a federal holiday, thus basically declaring it a secular holiday.


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Posts: 351 | Posted: 8:22 PM on December 11, 2002 | IP
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Good for Prez Cleveland. Its still religious, despite the govts. attempt to make it secular. If the government proclaimed a "Love Jesus Day" would Jesus become secular? Hardly. I can personally vouch for the fact that many (i dare say most) non-christians would hold that christmas is most certainly not secular.


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Posts: 789 | Posted: 9:54 PM on December 11, 2002 | IP
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From Alex: "everyone knows there is a lot of Christian influence on the government. that is the problem!!!"

Now....what is the "problem" with the Christian influence?  Because I don't see it!

I think a bigger problem is the influence of Political Correctness....as Broker said.

I'm surprised we aren't calling the 911 terrorists "Flightly Challenged."


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Posts: 110 | Posted: 12:13 AM on December 12, 2002 | IP
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do you honestly think that when i said i had a problem with christian influence on the gov't that i really meant I was opposed to the Golden Rule???? that's just stupid. obviously I mean things that the gov't does for the obvious reason that it is too influenced by Christian tenets (and money)...for example opposing gay rights. do you really think there is a strong reason that the gov't outlaws sodomy other than religious reasons? and be honest.


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Posts: 292 | Posted: 01:20 AM on December 12, 2002 | IP
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sodomy is wrong. But our Government has no right to ban something that clearly does not impede on someone else's rights. If it is cosentual(sp) then our government has no right to dictate morality. even though it might need to be able to do this i believe that the guidelines set forth in the constitution limit this power of the government.


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Posts: 96 | Posted: 03:36 AM on December 12, 2002 | IP
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sorry to break the news to you broker, but Christmas is a Christian holiday


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Posts: 971 | Posted: 03:47 AM on December 12, 2002 | IP
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es but the time of christamas is full of very pagan holidays too. The christmas tree for example is pagan, and the celebration of the winter solstice. And what our society has done to it has quite secularised it. if a definition for something is what most people think something means then christmas is a time full of greed and comercialism although it was intended to be a great day to worship our redeemer.


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Posts: 96 | Posted: 03:58 AM on December 12, 2002 | IP
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I'm not giving an opinion, It's a fact after Cleaveland signed the bill. It's not just Christians who celebrate Christmas. They just decorate a tree, exchange gifts, etc.

(And everything Nova said, too. Didn't notice that post)

(Edited by Broker 12/13/2002 at 07:24 AM).


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Posts: 351 | Posted: 07:21 AM on December 13, 2002 | IP
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yes non-christians celebrate it as well. but like it or not, the true meaning of christmas is to celebrate Christ's birth


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Posts: 971 | Posted: 10:45 AM on December 13, 2002 | IP
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The winter solstace has been celebrated for longer than christianity. Today it's about christ, who knows what it will be about tomorrow.
 


Posts: 193 | Posted: 10:52 AM on December 13, 2002 | IP
    
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