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i'm not familiar with what the winter solstace was.


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Broker, I hereby declare that Yom Kippur is secular. Is it?
Now how is that different than prez Cleveland declaring christmas is secular? Where in the constitution does it give the president the power to determine what is and is not religious? He isnt vested that right.


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There's a reason why Easter is not a federal holiday. It's not a secular holiday.

We have changed Christmas to be secular. I don't here very much about Christ on Christmas unless I'm at a Church service.


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Who is "we?" If by "we" you mean the perception of the American society, that means jack to the people on the periphary of it (i.e., members of minority religions...such as myself). It isn't up to anyone to proclaim "This formerly religious holiday (with christ in its name for heavens sake) is now 'secular'...get over it Godless heathen boy!"
Non-christians don't "celebrate" christmas. we just take a day off that is given to us. I like days off, but I'm not doing it to celebrate christmas, I'm doing it to celebrate sleeping in and drinking hot chocolate. The holiday itself is still religious, and I dont celebrate it or the religion it represents.


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Nova, your statement of:

"even though it might need to be able to do this i believe that the guidelines set forth in the constitution limit this power of the government.

represents how the majority of America feels.
The constitution does limit what the government can say about moral issues; but you, and I and the majority of America, think that the Federal Government SHOULD BE able to implement policies concerning morality; especially when the majority backs it up.


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The winter solstace was and still is the shortest day of the year. Easter is celebrated in spring, which also has pagan roots. Christians positioned their holidays in line with old holidays to better convert people.
 


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Hooyah, does the phrase "majority rule with minority rights" even evoke a glimmer of recognition?


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I am 18, and was delivered from;sex,drugs, and cigerettes all immediatly when I asked Jesus to be my Lord and Savior. He is lord of all!  Sakota you shouldn't play their game, there's is to many people who really want the truth that Christ has given to you.

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beavis you are absolutly correct on the holidays
      Easter still bears the name of the goddess of fertility. Eggs are a sign of fertility. The pagans would hide the eggs and roll them in there fields so the goddess Easter would make there land fertilized. Easter is just a pagan holiday adopted by the catholics in order to get converts. The term they used for this was "assimilating" the pagans by using there holidays as there own.  
   And sadly the christians will argue there holidays bc they dont  wont to see the wrong in there ways. I am a messianic Jew and i follow the bible strictly. The christians have been horrible mislead by there leaders and the indoctrination of pagan rituals.


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but the point is we (christians) took these pagan holidays and changed them, we no longer celebrate them on acount of pgagan dieties we changed them so that we could show people that God (not gud or gad (pagan gods) was the onlt rue elohim(god). I call Jesus jesus today because to me that name signafies the christ, Gods son, not Isis as some believe. Christians put easter and christmas on those days so that they could get rid of the pagan holidays and allow for the worsiph of the one true god to come into people's lives. no matter what past conotations these words or dates have they are not what they are. They are what the person that celebrates them believes they are. I call God, Lord, not Yaweh by doing so i am not praying to the pagan god Gud but to my God(Yaweh).


(sorry if some of that doesn't make sense if you are a fanatical person that trips on stuff like the names then you will know what i am talking about. a friend of mine yells at me if i say God instead of Yaweh or Jesus instead on Yehoosh-ua.)  


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"break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and burn their asheras(easter) poles in the fire: cut down the idols of their gods and wipe out there names from those places. YOU MUST NOT WORSHIP YAHWEH YOUR ELOHIM IN THEIR WAY" dt 12...isnt that pretty clear. You are not to worship god in the manner that the pagans worshipped there gods...also you will celebrate Easter but forsake passover...didnt jesus celevrate passover and say "this do, in remeberance of me"...so you will celebrate pagan holidays but turn a blind eye to holidays that you have been commanded to celebrate by your creator...you seriously need to stop listening to those phony preachers who are paid to teach you. NONe of the apostled where paid nor was Jesus nor was anyone supposed to be paid to teach....of course they will continue teaching false things to you...they wouldnt bite the hamd that feeds them would they, a free car and house just to preach two days a week isnt such a bad job...wake up. The apostles and jesus feed themselves and worked for there food. Think for yourself and question authority. Question your preacher question your beliefs and you will find more knowledge about religion than you ever thought possible. Of course i know you wont...i know you will just come up with some reason why not to, and you will also come up with some statement that "i already have"....dont kid me bc you are only kidding yourself.


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by the way that friend of yours that yells at you is very wise and you should honestly try to learn more from that person.


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Posts: 451 | Posted: 03:40 AM on December 25, 2002 | IP
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once again so illogical did pagans pray to their gods, i mean elohims, yes so should i not pray to mine? tithing was a costom in the days of the law(which by the way have ended) read numbers 18:21 it speaks of giving tithes to the levites(priests) for thier work. HHow is going to church on easter sunday and spending a day with your family recognizing God's amazing graze worshiping him in the ways of Pagans. Seriously i don't think their is much conection at all.


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no connection at all you say...no easter eggs have no connection what ever to the pagans(sarcasm). You use easter eggs to celebrate easter, justlike the pagans did to celebrate the goddess of fertility.  So why dont you celebrate the Passover, which jesus himself celebrated and we are supposed to celbrate, but you will celebrate a pagan holiday


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That is the point it is not a pagan holiday and i don't believe easter eggs have anything to do with Christ's death on the cross, they are not an integral part of my celebration, i no qualms with not having easter eggs but the idea of Christ's death on the cross ought to be celebrated and that is what i do, i don't worship some pagan god on Easter i worship the one and only the great I Am. And I have nothing against celebrating passover, but where does christ call us to(not that i don't believe you  i truly would like to know, it may be something i would like to take up).


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at the last supper they where celebrating passover and he said "this do, in remeberance of me". he basically just right there told the apostles to celebrate passover, why do you think at passover you drink red wine (blood) and eat non leavened bread (flesh). This was a holy time set to celebrate Jesus, what you said about celbrating jesus on easter sunday...shouldnt you celebrate jesus on every sabbath, is easter sunday any different, its roots are pagan, its common manner of celebration is pagan, why is it still called easter, the name of the goddess of fertility, change the name if you still wish to celebrate, change the practices, and so on and so on.


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i take communion once a month, that is the practice he i refering to not passover. He s stating that when you come together remeber me. Because these things that sustain you bread and wine are as Jesus' blood and body for he is our spiritual sustinance. The celebration of passover is not mention it is the act of communion.  


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catholics invented communion...it was never practiced before constantine....they where celebrating passover...bc they where jewish remember...


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   All sin, when full grown equals death. That is what Jesus came to deliver us from, He came that we may have life and have it more abundantly. I formerly lived a very perverse life, premarital sex, and alot of drugs.  God came, in Jesus, so that when we accept Him, with all sincerity, our desires change. "And I, when I rise up from the earth, will draw all men unto myself." (John 12:32) Jesus meant that He was going to take on our burdens, and exchange it with a little piece of His victory, His Holy Spirit. (1 Corinthians 2:16)  When we abide in Him we do not sin, because we are a new creation in Christ Jesus. (1 John 3:6)  His love has set me free, as it will for all who "call on the Name of the Lord" (Romans 10:13)
 


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   All sin, when full grown equals death. That is what Jesus came to deliver us from, He came that we may have life and have it more abundantly. I formerly lived a very perverse life, premarital sex, and alot of drugs.  God came, in Jesus, so that when we accept Him, with all sincerity, our desires change. "And I, when I rise up from the earth, will draw all men unto myself." (John 12:32) Jesus meant that He was going to take on our burdens, and exchange it with a little piece of His victory, His Holy Spirit. (1 Corinthians 2:16)  When we abide in Him we do not sin, because we are a new creation in Christ Jesus. (1 John 3:6)  His love has set me free, as it will for all who "call on the Name of the Lord" (Romans 10:13)
 


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Ben i am glad you are so excited but please relate atlest to the current tangent

Christ was refering to what we call communion now not passover. He was refering to his sustanance for our lives. He was saying when ever you eat and drink do so in his name because we exist on this earth to worship and praise him. There is nothing wrong with passover and nither is there anything wrong with communion. All are recognizing God's greatness and his ability to give us life and sustain our lives, and give us a reason to live.


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cute, Nova.. Anyways God is a reader of hearts. Nova was correct, God isn't so extremely caught up in ritual. Matthew 6:7 is evidence of that.
  "Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things will be added unto you."    Matthew 6:33

   So, communiun is a good practice, as long as we are very sincere in our efforts to seek His presence in the process. If we are constantly seeking Him,  He will guide us. I do communiun occasionally.        
 


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madbilly, what are you talking about? do you know what communion is? the first "communion" was during the Last Supper when Jesus gave his disciples some bread and wine saying that it represented his body and his blood. last time i checked, the Last Supper occured way before Constantine was even born.


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Posts: 971 | Posted: 02:13 AM on December 27, 2002 | IP
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And then communion or what took place at the last supper is mention latetr in the new testament several times. /I dpn't think it is a valid argument to say he was comanding us to celebrate passover, but he was asking us to recognize the fact that he is the one that gives us life and through his death gives us grace.


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though this debate is really moving out of my area of expertise, i'll just point out one quick thing. unleavened bread has nothing to do with flesh. it was that the jews  didnt have time for their bread to rise when they fled from egypt. Passover predates the last supper by a couple of thousand years. Now, proceed!


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no doubt about that dsa. but the point here is that communion derives from the last supper, therefore it is not simply a "catholic tradition"


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no the last supper was passover.


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They were celebrating passover at the time of the last supper. And God chose this time to show the church what communion was. They no longer had to celbrate the spirit only but a flesh and blood God eating at their table that forgave all their sins. That is what they were celbratng, the upcoming death of our savior, and  clearly not passover.
This idea of the Lord's supper is clearly found in 1st corinthians 11: 23-26, and is the basis of communion. There is mention of passover and Paul was very very jewish and i doubt he would have left that out if it were important, when he described what was happening in this passage and when it was. Clearly he is refering to something more similar to communion thatn passover.


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umm all the apostles where jewish, and jesus wasd jewish....it was passover.


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umm just because the apostles were jewish doesnt mean it was passover. so are you saying that everytime jewish people sit down for dinner, it is passover?

the point is, communion derived from the last supper. period.


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the last supper was passover. Period


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okay, maybe the last supper was a form of passover. but communion is an imitation of the last supper, nonetheless


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Is America a Christian nation?

Yes, according to the Supreme Court.

“Our laws and institutions must necessarily be based upon and must embody the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible for it to be otherwise. In this sense, to this extent, our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian.” - U.S. Supreme Court, Church of the Holy Trinity v. U.S., 1892



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Is America a christian nation?

No according to George Washington.

He signed a treaty with Tripoli which declared that the United States Government is not founded upon the christian religion.
 


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hey patriot, your supreme court case is over a century old


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I ask you to prove that! That treaty passed Congress in 1797. Adams was President then, not Washington! And more than that, Art. 11, according to the context of the treaty, simply stated that there was not an "official religion" at the national level.

Falling,

It doesn't matter when the opinion of the Supreme Court was given. The decision is valid until over-turned by another SC case.


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and warren court and other modern decisions, sub silentio have overruled it.


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Its a nation of people of all different religions and races.


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dsadevil,

Please provide me with the case names. I am most interested in learning, even at the potiential cost of some of my sources.


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sourbubblegum...

"Its a nation of people of all different religions and races."

that's wonderful...and they all get equal civil rights...except gays shouldn't be able to adopt...cause of what your stupid God said in some strupid book...oh yeah, I can tell you respect diversity.

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The Treaty with Tripoli was written under Washington's presidency and approved by the Senate under John Adams presidency in 1797.

Patriot, you misquoted Article 11 its states:
"As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declard by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/diplomacy/barbary/bar1796t.htm

If you read the first sentenance it say "NOT IN ANY SENSE FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION."  Quite different than what you said about "not an official religion at the national level".  I included web address at yale for you to read entire treaty.
 


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I did not quote the Treaty at all. I simply summed up what it said. There is even some evidence that it is not really an official part of the treaty. According to John Eisdmoe, quoting from Treaties and Other International Agreements of the USA, there was some Arabic text between articles 10 and 12 that said something to this effect, but it was in the form of a note from one Arabic official to another, not with a number 11 on it. One might have been simply informing another that the US did not have an official Christian church--which, of course, was much different than the European countries with which they dealt.

If you look carefully at the text of the treaty, article 11 simply says that the government of the U.S. is not founded on the Christian religion. In the context of what is meant here, it is only a statement that we have no official religion at the national level. That is historically accurate. It's no different, in context, than the constitutional provision that says there is no religious test for holding office.


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Alex

yeah it is a nation of all different races and religions. i think gays should have most rights as everyone else except with the adoption issue but that is another debate and off topic.


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patriot:  What part of "NOT IN ANY SENSE FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION" part did you not understand.  You summed it up incorrectly.  It means what it says, not what you want to incorrectly interrept it to mean.  When treaties are written, great care is given to the exact language so their can be no confusion.  Guess that doesn't work for you though.
 


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     God is the center of all life. He has created our being, and who else can breath life? He alone is worthy of our honor, in His voice I feel security. For no one else in heaven could do this but Him, for His love and majesty prevail greatly. He shall not be forgotten, for He has never forgotten us. He fights to save the people, and He delights in our love. No greater honor than knowing the King of all, no greater joy than speaking to our Maker. For I shall worship Him in the midst of my trial, and when all else fails His love will prevail.  His love has taken me by storm, and I delight in His statutes. For all my greatness pails in His shadow, for He is my Shepard, I shall not want. I take pride in His words, I am astounded by His depth. I have found joy, in the words of Truth, and power shall remain in His shadow.
 


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In the Supreme Court's 1892 Holy Trinity Church vs. United States, Justice David Brewer wrote that "this is a christian nation."  Patriot tries to use this as evidence that this is a christian nation.  However, Brewer wrote this in dicta, as a personal opinion only and does not serve as a legal pronouncement.  Later Brewer felt obliged to explain himself.  "But in what sense can it be called a christian nation?  Not in the sense that christianity is the established religion or the people are compelled in any manner to support it.  On the contrary, the Constitution specifically provides that 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.'  Neither is it christian in the sense that all its citizens are either in fact or in name christians.  On the contrary, all religions have free scope within its borders.  Numbers of our people profess other religions, and many reject all."
 


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i wish these guests would register so we can distinguish who is saying what


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i am a liberal chrisitian and proud of it!!!

"Those who produce should have, but we know that those who produce the most - that is, those who work hardest, and at the most difficult and most menial tasks, have the least." - Eugene Debs
 


Posts: 971 | Posted: 12:25 PM on January 2, 2003 | IP
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Let's put this phony claim about Holy Trinity Church vs. United States declaring that the United States is a christian nation to rest.

To do this it is necessary to understand that an opinion written by the Supreme Court contains several different parts.  The holdings of the case establishes the rule of law as decided on by the court and as it relates specifically to the facts of the case.  The rationale of the case contains the different reasons why the Court decided a case the way that it did.  Contained within these reasons can be comments by the Court which do not have any bearing on the specific rule of law and are not binding on future cases with similar facts.  These non-essential comments are called dictum, and unlike the holding of the case, dictum carries no precedential value.

In the case of Holy Trinity the essential comments made by the Court concern the scope of an immigration law.  Wheter or not America was a christian nation was not even an issue.  The actual dispute the court had to decide had nothing to do with religion.  The parties in Holy Trinity did not question whether the Immigration Act's purpose was for or aginst religion generally or specifically.

So when Justice Brewer begins his religious history lesson he refers to no particular statute, nor particlar person.  He has moved outside the actual facts of this case and the statute at issue.  His statements therefore, create no rule of law, and provide no precedent for future legal disputes.  As any basic legal research textbook will confirm, the legal researcher will not find precedent in such language, but must look for "the legal rules stated by courts which are tied to specific fact situation" (The Fundamentals of Legal Research, 1994)
 


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Alex,
you can diss me, you can treat my political party like crap, you can even call my fav. president (George W. Bush, and proud of it) an idiot, BUT you can NEVER EVER treat my Heavenly Father (God, for you morans who don't know) like that. even though you do he suprisingly still loves YOU. If I was God you'd be dead along time ago. Oh, and for that "stupid book" its not a book its Gods precious words.


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A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
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Posts: 157 | Posted: 8:39 PM on January 3, 2003 | IP
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actually your God is stupid, and unjust, and megalomaniacal, and incompetent. and his precious words have about as much moral legitimacy as one of my bowel movements.


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