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If religions did not exist, do you think the world would be a more peaceful place?

Comments, thoughts, feelings, opinions...get them rolling people!
 


Posts: 292 | Posted: 02:26 AM on May 20, 2005 | IP
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Simpily, yes. I will come back to this later...


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 05:17 AM on May 20, 2005 | IP
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YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES

How much more obvious can it get. there is the language barrier but religion is what clouds every person's rationality


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Posts: 121 | Posted: 9:42 PM on May 20, 2005 | IP
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How much more obvious can it get. there is the language barrier but religion is what clouds every person's rationality


I'm sorry did I read this post right? Yes?  Give your reasons...I'm sorry but the guiding principle of ethics comes from religion.  Granted some wars and conflicts were/are from differences amongst religions, but one cannot blame everything on religion.  How does the human race escape religion?  Further, if there were not religions, life would seem to be meaningless (for most people) and therefore would lead to actions that are immoral.  So you cannot hypothesize either way.  There is no definite yes or no.  But it seems that it (the world) is much better with religions existing.


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Posts: 84 | Posted: 1:36 PM on June 5, 2005 | IP
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Yes, and no.  First, yes because religion has preserved some of the most moral beliefs we have, such as no killing, no stealing etc. AND no because some religions have killed in the name of God, i.e the inquisition, crusades, all these kings vs kings battles etc.

If we didn't have some kind of moral obligation, then we would act like savages.
 


Posts: 11 | Posted: 04:23 AM on June 7, 2005 | IP
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similar to the stance of charlton heston and the nra in saying "guns dont kill people - people kill people", religion isn't what causes "unrest" or an un-peaceful society. People do. Religion in and of itself doesn't cause problems. one of the things religion is for is to provide mankind with a guide to dealing with ourselves and the problems we always create. Some people believe so strongly in their particular religion that they have a personal creed of equal merit (to their minds) that involves changing everybody to their belief at any cost. of course, most religions do not encourage this type of behaviour, but we find that for whatever reason, muslims claiming islam teaches them to be what we call terrorists (which islam forbids) and christians who take what christianity teaches and twist it to suit their personal beliefs. as an example, islam and christianity (and probably others) do not support these behaviours, but become associated with them because the people who behave in this way are thorougly convinced that they are islamic or christian, when in fact they are definately not. To any real islamic believer or christian believer, this is obvious, but im afraid that many people aren't aware of the difference between true islam and what we see terrorists believing, and similarly true christianity with things so-called christian's believe.

even if there were no religion, you would still have every imaginable kind of behaviour which causes peace to be an impossibility. have you read lord of the flies? its a pretty good example of what society would be like if it were started clean slate so to speak.

the only difference is that people wouldn't cling to a religion as a legitimate reason for their actions, and would find some other way to justify their actions to themselves and then others.


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Posts: 95 | Posted: 5:34 PM on June 7, 2005 | IP
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Lord of the flies is an ace book, it shows what happens when someone desires power, and other things, such as the people who intend on doing the most good in the word (the chour in this case) become the most evil, signified by the killing of the jesus figure of the book (can't remember his name) and piggy.
You may have guess that I had to study that for my english course a couple of years ago.

But to get to the point.

I see you refering to religious control with phrased such as "If we didn't have some kind of moral obligation, then we would act like savages." and "Further, if there were not religions, life would seem to be meaningless (for most people) and therefore would lead to actions that are immoral."

Is your moral standing only based on that if I do good then jesus will love me and I will go to heaven? How selfish. No you are wrong.

Yes religion does serve a course in public order, promissing the people at the bottom of the food chain paradise. However I belive in this civilisied world that we have created that people would do good, because its good to be good. For example, I'm an agnostic, I don't belive or follow any major religion, but do I go around acting like a savage? No I don't. I also take offense at these claims, most atheists DO NOT go around acting like savages. You know that even without religion, life still has meaning in your family and friends. Yes its been a good public control, but it should stop us from learning.

Another point, no religion isn't the direct purpose for war, but it does make a social divide, in which we see other religians as differnt too us, we don't understand them, and we fear what we don't understand, and fear leads to war. Most wars a differance in opinian, and religion is often the cause of this differance, not always but somtimes.

(Edited by Peter87 6/8/2005 at 2:39 PM).


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 2:37 PM on June 8, 2005 | IP
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first of all, christianity does not teach that doing good will make you buddy-buddy with christ. christ loves everybody whether you behave badly or good. so it's not selfish.

other religions believe in the ideal, but christianity isn't one of them. it also doesn't reward bottom-feeders with paradise, heaven is accessible to all, any time period, any culture, any language etc...

about social divides, while i do agree with what you say, then in the same way, different races, different cultures, different classes, royalty, unions etc. all create social divides that could lead to war if you're idea is true... something to think about. there is nothing wrong with social divides as long as people know how to deal with them


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Posts: 95 | Posted: 4:51 PM on June 8, 2005 | IP
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MY point wasn't about the ideals of christianity, just that morals can be based on more than religion.

And yes I agree that they are all social divides, but normally war if from cultural divide rather than internal divide. The obvious exception being civil war, perfect example of class divide causeing war, the British civil war, parlamentary ideals verses monarchy. Hey I just realised, your ancesters also were involved in the Bristish civil war, how cool is that, unless your entirly French Canadian.

I wouldn't have thought that unions would lead to war.

Races, culture and religion would mostly all combine under one for war. Example, crusades, differnt race, differnt culture and differnt religion. This makes sence as, religion is an aspect of culture, and differnt races tend to have differnt culture.

But yes I agree with you.


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