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Question: What are the various views/beliefs of religions when it comes to 'animal rights' and the like?

For example, are we (humans) only to kill animals necessarily (e.g. for food)? Must we do it humanely? Etc. etc. etc.
 


Posts: 292 | Posted: 01:48 AM on June 8, 2005 | IP
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i dont know of any religions that encourage or even explicitly permit abusing animals... but i  dont think thats debatable anyways.. you seem to be addressing like... the humanity of chicken farms and things of that nature?

since many religions teach they are gods creation, you could infer a certain amount of respect when dealing with them, although in christianity god explicitly permitted us to eat them. christianity teaches that we are above the animals and special to god in a way that animals are not, but he still created them, so i don't really see how a christian could justify intentionally doing things that harm animals for no purpose....

my personal belief though... i mean, how can you determine what is humane when it comes to animals? there are certain things which are obviously "abuse" or not... but there is large grey area in between... for example... free range chicken's vs. cooped up chickens... is one method more humane than the other? i dont think so, we just think "well... I'd rather be able to be free and frolick around outside, so chickens probably prefer that too" we dont know what they prefer, or even if they have a preference - they're chickens.... the main reason we let them run around free is because the meat is better when they use their muscles anyways..

i'm not really set in stone in any way on that issue though.

the only thing that drives me crazy is when people start to treat their pets like people, you know with sweaters and haircuts and little boots and all that crap... i mean, people spend a TON of money on "quality of life" for a dog, and i have no problem with that, except that we should address quality of life for all humans before we even start on the animals. i mean, how about enabling all people to shower, eat 3 meals a day, have clothes, and get haircuts, instead of providing dogs with these luxuries as though my pet dog is somehow worth more than an zambian child? now this obviously opens a large can of worms, but in general, i think when it comes to animal rights, they can be thrown out the window if we need to do that to improve or save the life of less fortunate humans.



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Posts: 95 | Posted: 06:55 AM on June 8, 2005 | IP
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I sort of expected as much - humans special in God's eyes and all...

Just a point: i just think that, as humans, we should treat animals in the most humane and kindest way possible. I mean, they're living things aren't they? They suffer, they feel emotion - we should respect them as much as possible.

More along the lines in the context of religion - if you were an all-round pretty damn good Christian, yet...oh, i don't know...tortured animals throughout your life, would you be seen as sinning in God's eyes??? And, in respect to that, would it be harder for you to gain eternal life or whatever?
 


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i agree with what you said.

about your question - i would imagine god viewing perpetual animal torture as a sin, but how that impacts your gain of eternal life "or whatever" i can't say... i mean, there's certain things you can infer about the psyche of an individual who does these things. i think in light of that, it would be more difficult for them to be a good christian, since enjoying such things seems to me to be far from what christ exemplified, but that doesn't mean they will or will not go to heaven. God will decide for himself who he will or will not allow into heaven. my position is that countless people will be surprised at who ends up in heaven and who does not.




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Posts: 95 | Posted: 6:11 PM on June 9, 2005 | IP
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i just think that, as humans, we should treat animals in the most humane and kindest way possible. I mean, they're living things aren't they? They suffer, they feel emotion - we should respect them as much as possible.


There are some truths to what you've said, mainly that we should treat animals with respect.  For the Christian, at least, there are many ways one can find God and certainly one of those is THROUGH creation, e.g., animals.  This would also entail that creation was trusted to us to care and so therefore we must treat it with respect.  However, when you say that they (the animals) feel emotions I am a bit taken back, can you clarify what you mean by that?


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I'm saying animals are not devoid of emotion or feeling, or even understanding to a certain extent.
 


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The problem with this forum is that there are only christians and athiests oh and a few agnostic like myself. I mean if we had other religious beliefs here we could have discousions on reincarnation and thus respect for animals.


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That's true
 


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We must never kill animals, unless it is trying to kill you. I have not yet managed to get my self to be a vegetarian. That is my utopia idea.


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I'm not following.  You say we MUST never kill animals while admitting you are NOT a vegetarian.... how exactly are you pulling that off?  Eating them while they are still alive?


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I said that this is my "Utopia Idea".

(Edited by SilverStar 1/12/2007 at 5:20 PM).


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What does "must" mean, then?


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Because it is not my Idea of utopia if the must part is violated.


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