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I have been doing a lot of reading lately, and have come up with a few issues regarding certain doctrines of the Catholic Church, and I put forward these detailed issues one by one after each has been satisfactorily answered:

ISSUE ONE
The first issue I have difficulty with is the Eucharist. I know the Passover was celebrated annually to remember judgment being passed over those who had the blood of a lamb smeared across their door. At Jesus' Passover supper he was the lamb being sacrificed for sins to prevent judgment, and he told his disciples to remember him in the same way. I do not understand how this could be the first Mass since Jesus was still alive and not actually eating himself. Also, why is the Mass sometimes called the "Sacrifice of the Mass," does this mean once the bread is consecrated then broken, Jesus is actually being sacrificed? How could I remember Jesus' completed sacrifice if I were actually sacrificing Him again?
The disciples were also confused what to do (refer to John 6), they obviously did not want to eat Jesus and drink His blood. Jesus tells them His body is food indeed and His blood is drink indeed. They are offended by His words, so He tells them, 63"It is the spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life."
Jesus also repeatedly asserts not to 27"labour for food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life, which the Son of Man will give you because God the Father has set His seal on Him."
When the people asked for this bread forever, Jesus said, 35"I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall not thirst. This implies coming to Jesus is eating and believing in Him, is drinking. Furthermore, He says, 47 he who believes in Me has everlasting life." Therefore, since eating Jesus gives everlasting life, it seems that believing = eating.
This is summed up in John 5:16 when Jesus says, "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death unto life." Thus it seems believing (eating) in Jesus gives eternal life by "smearing their hearts with the Lamb of God's blood" causing judgment to pass over them.
Jesus also says, "Not what goes in the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man. Do you not understand that what ever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and is eliminated? But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man." (Matthew 15:11, 17-18). Paul also says in 1Corinthians 8:8 "But food does not commend us to God, for neither if we eat are we the better, nor is we do not eat are we the worse." Both these statements conclude that food is not the way to God, but the heart (believing).
Furthermore, Jesus constantly uses figurative language to compare Himself to other tangible items, for example, in John 10:7, 9, "Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep...I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved,". Jesus speaks of the time "When I will no longer speak to you in figurative language" His disciples said to Him, "See, now you are speaking plainly, and using no figure of speech" (John 16: 25, 29).

Secondly, when Jesus was on the cross, he said "It is finished," obviously meaning his sacrifice was complete. Peter reiterates this in 1 Peter 3:18, "For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the Spirit."
Jesus' death is said to not do away, but complete the Law (Ten Commandments) previously given by God to Moses, that is that the Law is of no effect anymore (don't have to sacrifice animals for the remission of sins), because Jesus died for us and affected a New Covenant, and this covenant (testament) could not be affect with out the death of the testator , "For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second." (Hebrews 8:6), "knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Christ Jesus' that I might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified." (Galatians 2:16). "In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away" (Hebrews 8:13) "For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity to the death of the testator. For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives. Therefore not even the first covenant was dedicated without blood." (Hebrews 9:16-18). Then Paul tells us that Christ died once, for all our sins, therefore there is no need for further sacrifices (as was previously required by the Law). Animal blood was used to purify the tabernacle (Hebrews 9) 23 "the copies of the things in the heavens", however, Christ (the sacrifice) 24 "has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25 not that he should offer himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another-, 26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of all ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself." He continues reiterating this fact in Hebrews 10: 11-12,18 And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God...Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin."

Finally, the believers are often referred to as being part of Jesus' body, therefore, Paul says, "The cup of blessing which I bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? For we, though many, are one bread and one body; for we all partake of that one bread." (1 Corinthians 10: 16-17). This can be compared to 12:13, "For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body" and Colossians 1:24 "His body, which is the church." Since Paul uses the term "communion of," it is implied that the bread and wine are actually symbols, not only for Jesus' body and blood but also the church, as we are one bread and one body. If Jesus' body is bread, and all believers make up the church (Jesus' body), then simple logic suggests, as Paul says, we are all one bread and one body. Paul also says (1 Corinthians 11:26) "as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death till He comes." Proclaim means to announce, thus, Paul is saying that celebrating communion of the church is a proclamation, he doesn't say anything about "re-sacrificing" or repeating Jesus' death, therefore, Paul warns, "whoever eats this bread or drinks this cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself...For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner, eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the Lord's body" For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged" (1Corinthians 11:27-28, 31). This seems to suggest that a person must celebrate in the communion or church of Christ with repentance, recognizing His complete sacrifice.

Another consideration to consider is to take a step back for a moment and imagine how many Eucharist's are being held each day. According to Catholic doctrine, the bread and wine is physically the body and blood of Jesus, and is being sacrificed over and over thousands if not a hundred thousand times a day. We are to take this bread and wine and break it IN REMEMBERANCE of him.

The Catholic religion deviates ever so slightly from what the Bible says, and its the perfect vehicle for satan to decieve millions because it is so close to the truth, yet is is not the truth. Satan is the master of lies. The Catholic religion makes tradition equal in authority to the Bible (declared by a Pope who are supposedly infallible) thus enabling them to cut and paste doctrine as the see fit - man made doctrine. The Catholic religion also seems to be able to revoke previous canon law and the like (eg eating meat on Friday)

I look forward to a reply from a Catholic on this matter.

 


Posts: 23 | Posted: 09:31 AM on June 21, 2006 | IP
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You won't get one.  I can't even get many priests to answer me, and most Catholics don't even bother to read the bible.  After all, what do Catholic priest's call themselves?  The term father is used two ways in the bible.  Physical (honor your father and mother) which really doesn't fit with their celibacy (much less the fact that the bible specifically states that some would come with false religions requiring people not to marry (vow of celibacy) or to abstain from eating meat (which the catholics do on certain dates)) or spiritually (call no MAN father, but he who art in heaven).  So they are either telling their parishioners that they slept with their mom or they are asking them to blaspheme.  I won't even get into "sprinkling" as I could spend a couple of hours on this topic.  Good luck getting any Catholic to respond.  They either don't know the answer or they don't care.


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"Thou believest that God is one; thou does well: the demons also believe, and shudder." James 2:19 - Belief is never enough.
 


Posts: 1287 | Posted: 11:39 AM on June 22, 2006 | IP
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yes, you are right, you touched on something I wanted to raise. But the fact that I myself have askes priests these questions, they dodge and duck and never answer the question. My wife was a catholic for 20 years, thankfully she's not anymore. Both of us challenged the local priest, and he could not answer us. Shortly there after he was arrested for child molestation 15 years ago.

The Catholic silence speaks for itself. Its probably all the answer I really needed. But most seem completly blind to the deception they are facing. Christ is the only way, and I guess I want to spread that message.
 


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