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Stop the Genetic Destruction of the Races - End Interracial Marriage!
For if you were cut out of the natural wild  olive tree, and were grafted contrary to
nature into a good olive tree; how much more these being according to nature will
be grafted into their own olive-tree?                     Romans 11:24

Resist Assimilation And Amalgamation In The Melting Pot!







(Edited by unworthy servant 6/30/2006 at 4:22 PM).


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Posts: 196 | Posted: 4:21 PM on June 30, 2006 | IP
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You're taking a Gentile/Jew religious verse and applying it to inter-racial marriage?  Really?  Haha, you are clueless.  Best laugh I got all week.  I thought you'd run out of ways to show us how gullible you are, but you've managed to add on another.  Wait, let me guess.  Next week you'll pull out the "pull the plank out of your own eye" verse to oppose paper mills.  Can't wait.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 10:49 PM on June 30, 2006 | IP
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Quote from EMyers at 10:49 PM on June 30, 2006 :
You're taking a Gentile/Jew religious verse and applying it to inter-racial marriage?


Funny Paul was sent to the gentiles. . . . aka the dispersed jews. . . . and all jews were commanded not to interracially mix. . . .must be why so many laws were passed against interracial marriage in this country by professing Christians in the first few hundred years. . . and it has only been "kosher" in this country for the last 30 years. . . . .pull your head out of the sack and you may see. . .  

Deut 7:1 When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou; 2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: 3 Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. 4 For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly. 5 But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire. (their images: Heb. their statues, or, pillars)

(Edited by unworthy servant 7/1/2006 at 11:57 AM).


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Posts: 196 | Posted: 11:52 AM on July 1, 2006 | IP
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For the LAST time, these were not different RACES!!! They were different NATIONS!!!! Can't you get that through your thick skull?  And why, oh WHY was this command given in the first place?  BECAUSE they worshiped other GODS!  Please, do everyone a favor and actually READ your bible instead of regurgitating what some idiot once said in some manuscript you own.  The absolute BEST you can get out of the verses you keep quoting is that I, as an American, can't marry someone from France or Great Britain or Canada (and that's only if you ignore 1) the intent of the commandment {After all, Moses married an Ethiopian, Ruth was a Moabite, etc.} and 2) that the new covenant supersedes the old).  Really, I'm serious, it's in there.  Try reading the entire thing.  You can do it.  I promise.  It won't kill you.  It's sad to see someone brainwashed at such an early age.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 12:59 PM on July 1, 2006 | IP
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Quote from EMyers at 12:59 PM on July 1, 2006 :For the LAST time, these were not different RACES!!! They were different NATIONS!!!!


Funny I can look at other nations and see other races. . . . must be why Nehemiah said get rid of the foreing wives and children isntead of convert them. . . . .. must be why so many other races have chosen to forbide interracial marriage over history. . . . must be why the professing Christians (the Holy Seed) inacted sooo many laws forbidding interracial marriage. . . .

Ezra 9:1 Now when these things were done, the princes came to me, saying, The people of Israel, and the priests, and the Levites, have not separated themselves from the people of the lands, doing according to their abominations, even of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Jebusites, the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, and the Amorites. 2 For they have taken of their daughters for themselves, and for their sons: so that the holy seedhave mingled themselves with the people of those lands:

Neh 13greatness: or, multitude) 23 In those days also saw I Jews that had married wives of Ashdod, of Ammon, and of Moab: (had...: Heb. had made to dwell with them) 24 And their children spake half in the speech of Ashdod, and could not speak in the Jews' language, but according to the language of each people. (could...: Heb. they discerned not to speak) (of each...: Heb. of people and people) 25 And I contended with them, and cursed them, and smote certain of them, and plucked off their hair, and made them swear by God, saying , Ye shall not give your daughters unto their sons, nor take their daughters unto your sons, or for yourselves. (cursed: or, reviled) 26 Did not Solomon king of Israel sin by these things? yet among many nations was there no king like him, who was beloved of his God, and God made him king over all Israel: nevertheless even him did outlandish women cause to sin. 27 Shall we then hearken unto you to do all this great evil, to transgress against our God in marrying strange wives? 28 And one of the sons of Joiada, the son of Eliashib the high priest, was son in law to Sanballat the Horonite: therefore I chased him from me. 29 Remember them, O my God, because they have defiled the priesthood, and the covenant of the priesthood, and of the Levites. (because...: Heb. for the defilings) 30 Thus cleansed I them from all strangers, and appointed the wards of the priests and the Levites, every one in his business; 31 And for the wood offering, at times appointed, and for the firstfruits. Remember me, O my God, for good.






(Edited by unworthy servant 7/1/2006 at 6:42 PM).

(Edited by unworthy servant 7/1/2006 at 6:43 PM).


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Posts: 196 | Posted: 6:29 PM on July 1, 2006 | IP
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Not interracial!!!  Fine one, just one verse that says not to marry someone of another RACE!  You keep quoting verses about marrying people of other NATIONS...  NATIONS!!!!  Can you even read what your typing for pete's sake?  (side note: who is pete anyhow?)  I can look at Germany, Italy, Ireland, France, Spain, etc and see people of my RACE! but not of my NATION!.  On the same note, I can see fellow Americans that are not of my RACE!  Are you so dense that you can not figure out the difference between RACE and NATION?   Are you so dense that you can't figure out the difference between the INTENT of the law and the LETTER of the law?  Are you so dense that you can not tell the difference between the OLD and NEW covenants?  Really?   Are you?  That's sad.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 10:19 AM on July 2, 2006 | IP
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Quote from EMyers at 10:19 AM on July 2, 2006 :
Are you so dense that you can not figure out the difference between RACE and NATION?  


Oh EMeyers takes such a big swing and gets such a big miss. . . . . go figure. . .

Gen 25: 21 And Isaac intreated the LORD for his wife, because she was barren: and the LORD was intreated of him, and Rebekah his wife conceived. 22 And the children struggled together within her; and she said, If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to enquire of the LORD. 23 And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger. 24 And when her days to be delivered were fulfilled, behold, there were twins in her womb. 25 And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau. 26 And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob: and Isaac was threescore years old when she bare them.

Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.  14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. 17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. 19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

Malachi 1:1 The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi. (by...: Heb. by the hand of) 2 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, 3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness. 4 Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the LORD of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever. 5 And your eyes shall see, and ye shall say, The LORD will be magnified from the border of Israel. (from: or, upon: Heb. from upon)

And it appears that when the man of Bethlehemjudah move to Moab he became a Moabite since that is where he lived. . . . so certainly an Isrelite could live in Ethiopia or Moab. . .

Ruth 1:1 Now it came to pass in the days when the judges ruled, that there was a famine in the land. And a certain man of Bethlehemjudah went to sojourn in the country of Moab, he, and his wife, and his two sons.

. . . so since Nehemiah kicked out a physical seed from the Chosen people . . . .when he could have "converted" them. . . .it obvioulsy has to be a physical seed that is allowed. . .

Nehmiah 23 In those days also saw I Jews that had married wives of Ashdod, of Ammon, and of Moab: (had...: Heb. had made to dwell with them) 24 And their children spake half in the speech of Ashdod, and could not speak in the Jews' language, but according to the language of each people. (could...: Heb. they discerned not to speak) (of each...: Heb. of people and people) 25 And I contended with them, and cursed them, and smote certain of them, and plucked off their hair, and made them swear by God, saying , Ye shall not give your daughters unto their sons, nor take their daughters unto your sons, or for yourselves. (cursed: or, reviled) 26 Did not Solomon king of Israel sin by these things? yet among many nations was there no king like him, who was beloved of his God, and God made him king over all Israel: nevertheless even him did outlandish women cause to sin. 27 Shall we then hearken unto you to do all this great evil, to transgress against our God in marrying strange wives? 28 And one of the sons of Joiada, the son of Eliashib the high priest, was son in law to Sanballat the Horonite: therefore I chased him from me. 29 Remember them, O my God, because they have defiled the priesthood, and the covenant of the priesthood, and of the Levites. (because...: Heb. for the defilings) 30 Thus cleansed I them from all strangers, and appointed the wards of the priests and the Levites, every one in his business; 31 And for the wood offering, at times appointed, and for the firstfruits. Remember me, O my God, for good.

. . . . .and again Samson's father didn't say to convert his bride to be but to marry his own seed. . . .

Judges 14:1 And Samson went down to Timnath, and saw a woman in Timnath of the daughters of the Philistines. 2 And he came up, and told his father and his mother, and said, I have seen a woman in Timnath of the daughters of the Philistines: now therefore get her for me to wife. 3 Then his father and his mother said unto him, Is there never a woman among the daughters of thy brethren, or among all my people, that thou goest to take a wife of the uncircumcised Philistines? And Samson said unto his father, Get her for me; for she pleaseth me well. (pleaseth...: Heb. is right in mine eyes)

. . . .must be why the word seed comes up again in Romans 9 and says the physical seed is only Israel:

Romans 9:1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, 2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. 3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: 4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; 5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

(Edited by unworthy servant 7/3/2006 at 5:59 PM).


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Posts: 196 | Posted: 5:34 PM on July 3, 2006 | IP
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7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed

Thank you!  You finally got it right.  All the children of the promise (i.e. all Christians) are accepted REGARDLESS of nationality.  Please note, for all your comments about interracial marriage the only verses you came up with were regarding Jacob and Esau (two brothers, hence their descendants were the same race, although different nations) which proves, as all your other verses have proven, that the NATION of Israel was not allowed to marry people of other NATIONS (not races, but you've proven that by your inability to come up with a single RACE-related verse) unless the people became Jews (obviously they could not physically become of a different RACE, but we've already established that there is no law against interRACIAL marriage, haven't we) proving that the intent of the law only referred (as we have both proven time and time again) to the religous aspect.  Now that you ONCE AGAIN have had to rely on NATIONALITY related verses and have been unable to provide even ONE RACE RELATED scripture, I hope that you are intelligent enough to realize the error of your ways.  


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 9:55 PM on July 3, 2006 | IP
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Quote from EMyers at 9:55 PM on July 3, 2006 :
Thank you!  You finally got it right.  All the children of the promise (i.e. all Christians) are accepted REGARDLESS of nationality.  



Oh such a big swing and a miss since Paul said that olives trees were going to be Christians. . . . .not fig trees, nor apples trees. . .nor pear trees. . . .just olive trees. . . .since the Gentiles Paul was speaking too were Olive trees. . . .

Jer 11:16 The LORD called your name, a green olive tree, fair, with fine fruit. With the sound of a great storm He has set fire to it, and its branches are worthless. 17 And the LORD of hosts who planted you has spoken evil against you, for the evil of the house of Israel and of the house of Judah, which they have done to themselves to provoke Me to anger by offering incense to Baal.

Romans 11: 13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: 14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. 15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? 16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. 17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; 18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. 19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. 20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. 24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?





(Edited by unworthy servant 7/14/2006 at 12:56 PM).


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Posts: 196 | Posted: 12:51 PM on July 14, 2006 | IP
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Wow!  Congratulations on being the first person I've ever encountered who couldn't find a tree in a forest with a chipmunk guide.  What did I ask for?  A verse, any verse, just one verse that spoke RACE.  What did you supply?  The olive branch verse which proves that Jews and Gentiles (all people {religious conotation} who aren't jews) are BOTH acceptable to God.  Thanks.  We already agreed on that, but whatever.  Your other verse?  Well, it proves that the Jews were one of the olive branches.  Um, ok.  We already knew that.  Let me try to explain this to you in simpler terms.  What we want is a verse, ANY verse, just one verse will do, that states (as you've categorically pointed out) that a white can't marry a black who can't marry an oriental who can't marry an indian who can't marry a white (sorry if I left anyone out) etc.  Don't bring us verses about NATIONS.  Don't bring us verses about GENTILES.  Don't bring us verses out OLIVES.  You stated that people of one RACE cannot marry people of another RACE.  You said it's in the Bible.  Please show us where.  This is your task.  If you are not up to the task, please admit so and quit bothering us.  Sincerely, the entire planet.

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P.S.  The tree is the one with the green leafy stuff on top.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 7:47 PM on July 14, 2006 | IP
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Unworthy Servant, you are both racist and a fool blinded by his OWN thoughts and beliefs which CANNOT bbe held up and proven correct


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Religon=Opium of the Masses, except for Buddhism, thats about inner peace.

F.Y.I. to the Catholics/Christians...JESUS SAID LOVE ALL EQUALLY, HE NEVER SAID GAY PEOPLE ARE THE EXCEPTION!!!

IN AMERICA RELIGON IS NOT A GOOD REASON FOR ANY LAW!!! Period.

The idea of marriage was made in a time where being gay would be a good reason to torture you to death.

Before you say it im straight, but believe it or not im also, God forbid, tolerant.

If being gay is a choice then you accept being straight is too.

If God existed and couldn't accept gay people because he doesn't like them (guess where sins come from!) then he's imposing HIS beliefs on YOU!

If you aren't religous you can still be moral.

Where in the Bible does it say being gay is wrong, cuz if it wasnt in the first draft whats the big deal. Yes the Bible HAS been revised.

Race-does not matter
Religon-does not matter
Sex-does not matter
Sexuality-shouldn't have to matter, cuz it's not like whites don't befriend blacks , Christians don't befriend aetheists, and Men dont befriend Women, so...why make being straight or gay matter? Wanna know what does matter? We're alive. Shouldn't that be more than enough?
 


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