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Should children be raised to believe what the parents believe? Be raised to have some basic beliefs the parents has? Be raised to decide for themselves things? Be raised not knowing that there is things that they could possible beleive or not believe? What do you think?

(Edited by mrmazet 10/27/2002 at 5:12 PM).
 


Posts: 122 | Posted: 5:12 PM on October 27, 2002 | IP
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I plan to just instill in my kids (assuming society allows me to have them) the basic rights and wrongs that are minimally necessary to know to function as a responsible citizen. don't steal, murder, rape, pillage. that stuff. wait until older than 12 to have sex. basics of being nice, and kind, and compassionate. more complicated things like religion, liberal vs. conservative, marrying, all that junk, i leave to them.


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Posts: 292 | Posted: 08:52 AM on October 28, 2002 | IP
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regardless children will be like their parents so it is not a questionof should they be but rather how much will the be influenced.


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Posts: 451 | Posted: 10:53 AM on October 28, 2002 | IP
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Why would I not teach my kids the most important thing in all the world?  If I loved them how could I let them go to hell?  This world is sick and corrupt, I would spend my life making sure they saw that so they would not be blinded by it.


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Posts: 293 | Posted: 8:40 PM on October 28, 2002 | IP
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Sakata, you push to hard all your kids are going to do is turn away from the church, you got to do it in moderation and leave the decision ultimaltely to the kids.


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Posts: 372 | Posted: 9:41 PM on October 28, 2002 | IP
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I agree with Sakata, if you are really Christian than you should try your best to convert your kids (less force may be more practical). I on the other hand, REALLY REALLY hope my kids do not become religious, but if they do, that's fine, if it makes them happy. and madbilly is totally wrong. Kids just as often are completely different from their parents, so I don't know what he is talking about.


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Posts: 292 | Posted: 12:42 AM on October 29, 2002 | IP
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i think that children should be taught about their religion.  however, i think they should have the freedom to choose what religion they wish to go by.  

sakata: be careful, ur comments might offend people of other religions. im jewish ;)
 


Posts: 60 | Posted: 3:49 PM on November 8, 2002 | IP
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yeehah! Another Jew! welcome to the club locagirl


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Posts: 789 | Posted: 5:09 PM on November 8, 2002 | IP
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hehe thanks jews rock my world!
 


Posts: 60 | Posted: 11:17 AM on November 9, 2002 | IP
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Quote from locagirl at 11:17 AM on November 9, 2002 :
hehe thanks jews rock my world!


I'm jewish... and so is that guy who posed dumb messaged about "Rubksy films".



 


Posts: 122 | Posted: 8:30 PM on November 14, 2002 | IP
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Sakata, are you Catholic?

I'm Catholic- and I am certainly going to install the faith in them. Being half Italian (mexican, not American-Italian), half German. I've got the two sides of my Catholicism- I love the two cultures. I will do the same way my grandmother gave me catholicism- being happy. My grandmother brought me to church at taught me alot. She always said "Jesus vive in su corazon", which means, Jesus lives in your heart. I always found that comforting. But unfortunatly, I literally thought he lived in my heart, and was shocked when that wasn't true :-)




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Posts: 49 | Posted: 8:46 PM on November 14, 2002 | IP
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hey catholic dude:
what would you do if you found out your kid was gay? how many volts would it take to set him straight?


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Posts: 292 | Posted: 12:52 AM on November 15, 2002 | IP
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what would you do if you found out your kid was gay? how many volts would it take to set him straight?


There will be nothing I could do. I would teach my child that gay sex is a sin, and that if he was truely gay, he should live a celibate life. I don't think all gays go to hell, as Sakata pointed out. She quoted a passage from Leviticus- which are Kosher laws. Kosher laws were broken when Christ ressurected (Remember the tearing of Temple curtain? That  was when Christ broke the laws, a symbol.) I don't think being gay is a sin, because there's nothing you can do, really. But gay actions are sins- as you can control sexual actions. So, if you're gay and Catholic, go join a monastary. Don't waste god's precious gift of life.


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Posts: 49 | Posted: 1:52 PM on November 15, 2002 | IP
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so gay people shouldn't have the pleasures that straight people have? thats real nice!
 


Posts: 60 | Posted: 8:10 PM on November 15, 2002 | IP
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so gay people shouldn't have the pleasures that straight people have? thats real nice!


Oh they can, they're just sinning. God created sex to reproduce- not for fun, bud.


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Posts: 49 | Posted: 10:10 PM on November 15, 2002 | IP
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what percentage of the time Catholics have sex, in your opinion, is it for the purpose of reproduction? and aren't gays always sinning, because they are always having sinful thoughts? and if God wanted sex to be for reproduction, and he wants people to reproduce, why would there be homosexuality in the world?


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Posts: 292 | Posted: 10:23 PM on November 15, 2002 | IP
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one other question: i see that a lot of "sins" according to Catholicism are also things I think are bad. like murder and adultery and blahblahblah. these things hurt people. they make people sad and make the world a worse place. everyone can agree on those things being bad. but...i know you Christians hate to ever question God, but I wonder, what do you think God's reason might be for making homosexuality a sin? it doesn't hurt anyone. it doesn't make the world a worse place. the reproduction argument doesn't make much sense, because God must be aware of the current population problem on Earth, so more reproduction is actually bad for us, not good. God should be encouraging people to have less children. rather, I think homosexuality is a sin in the Bible because it was written by people, and those people lived in a different time and different culture. They were afraid of gays and what they represented, just like some reactionary people like yourself today still believe.


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Posts: 292 | Posted: 10:35 PM on November 15, 2002 | IP
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what percentage of the time Catholics have sex, in your opinion, is it for the purpose of reproduction? and aren't gays always sinning, because they are always having sinful thoughts? and if God wanted sex to be for reproduction, and he wants people to reproduce, why would there be homosexuality in the world?


As if it's not a sin to think sexually about women? It's all the same. Thinking of sexual things is always wrong. Now, what percentage of Catholics have sex? Like, most... how many have sex before marriage? Probably half. But these arn't true Catholics- a true Catholic would reserve sex for marriage.

i see that a lot of "sins" according to Catholicism are also things I think are bad. like murder and adultery and blahblahblah. these things hurt people. they make people sad and make the world a worse place. everyone can agree on those things being bad. but...i know you Christians hate to ever question God, but I wonder, what do you think God's reason might be for making homosexuality a sin? it doesn't hurt anyone. it doesn't make the world a worse place. the reproduction argument doesn't make much sense, because God must be aware of the current population problem on Earth, so more reproduction is actually bad for us, not good. God should be encouraging people to have less children. rather, I think homosexuality is a sin in the Bible because it was written by people, and those people lived in a different time and different culture. They were afraid of gays and what they represented, just like some reactionary people like yourself today still believe.


I always question God. It's not wrong to ask God questions. Now, why is it wrong? You see, God made naturality. He made sex so that a man and a woman could reproduce, and bring more people to heaven. God did not- however- make sex simply for our pleasure if nothing is going to be brought from it. By having Gay Sex, your are destroying God's precious gift. If you can imagine a box-  and in it was God's most great gift that he could ever give us. But it only could be opened until Christmas- because that's when we're sure that we can keep what comes from this gift. Then, we can open it, and out comes God's great gift. Now, in the bible homosexuality was a sin- so what if it was in a different time? Gay sex was still the same- it's not as if though it's changed 2000 years later! Gay sex is still a sin.


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Posts: 49 | Posted: 8:31 PM on November 17, 2002 | IP
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If God didn't create sex for our enjoyment, then why is it enjoyable? Is it just some kind of entrapment. What is he thinking, "heehee, how can i send people to hell today?" Somehow I'm doubtful. If God didn't want sex to be done for pleasure, he wouldn't of made it pleasurable. We'd still do it even if it wasn't, because if genetics, so the pleasure factor is just an added bonus. Oh, and why is it that only Christianity and Islam fear sexuality for pleasure? No other major religion, Judiasm, Hinduism, Buddhism, cares. To preempt your argument GS, judiasm does prefer sex to happen after marriage, but it is a commandment to make it enjoyable, and that is considered a key factor in it.


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Posts: 789 | Posted: 10:34 PM on November 17, 2002 | IP
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okayyy....
you didn't answer my question about catholics. I asked, how many catholics do you think have sex just to reproduce? i was talking about about before or after marriage. how many married catholics have sex just to reproduce? my guess is is basically none. there are plenty of time they have sex to have fun. now, if your argument is that gay sex is bad because it reduces reproduction, than what about if people had sex with plenty of women for reproduction but on the side had gay sex for fun? that wouldn't reduce people being born and the overall influx of people into heaven, so would that be ok? and of course gay sex hasn't changed in 2000 years (I mean, i hope guys back then were having as much fun as i do now...), but I hope the idea of what is a sin would change over 2000 years. that's called progress. please address all my questions before you slam me.


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Posts: 292 | Posted: 12:10 AM on November 18, 2002 | IP
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Weird- I could have sworn I answered to this post! Was it deleted?
 


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That was me (Gs_Deus)
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 6:31 PM on November 18, 2002 | IP
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What is considered sinful should not and has not changed in 2000 years because morality is an absolute and a constant!  It is not progress in any way if that changes.  If in the year 4096 is it considered progress if people are allowed to kill each other at will?  Hardly...

Anyway... I think that even though the purpose of sex is primarily reproduction there's nothing wrong with enjoiying it for those who have God's permission to do so (married couples).  Even if their intent isn't to have kids at the time, they are still using their sacred gift in its natural way with divine sanctioning.

Homosexuality is different.  It's unnatural.  It's taking God's gift and twisting it into something it isn't, and something that it was never intended to be.  You don't even need the bible to tell you that.  Take one look at the male and female anatomies, and it's pretty obvious that their sexual organs were intended for each other, and not for others of the same sex.
 


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My problem is that people quote the bible as divine law, which I don't understand. The laws of leviticus were drafted during the jewish exile in Babylon, not by god himself. That is the same as any priest deciding what he thought were gods words. Please tell me how these B.C. jews had insight into what GOD really wanted and what he thought to be a sin.

As long as we are quoting the bible it also says that if you work on the sabbath you should be put to death. I am sure you have all worked on a sunday.

You pick and choose which of the bibles laws you think you want to believe in and run with them ignoring all other rules.

to those who think that gay sex is wrong because god intended sex to be for reproduction, have you ever had sex wearing a condom? well then based on your own rationale you are a sinner.

I really don't understand the bible, you use the bible as a weapon on all you hate and ignore the rules that incriminate yourselves

Homosexuals are driven by the same biology that drives heterosexuals to members of the opposite sex. The have no control over what their bodies tell them.  If god made them this way, then it really can't be wrong can it or did god mess up on them?

It is not your job to judge it is gods

(Edited by SJChaput 1/20/2005 at 5:00 PM).
 


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ok, sex in general is naturaly meant to be fun, otherwise we (and other animals) wouldn't have sex as much as we do. And even if it says that somthing is imoral in the bible it doesn't mean it is imoral, i.e. homosexuals are just having fun, and the analagy of 4096 being able to kill people, don't make me laugth, homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone. If your not gay then homosexuality doesn't effect you at all so who are you to judge?


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 8:12 PM on January 21, 2005 | IP
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I don't believe that God would have created sex simply for reproduction. As said by others here, we wouldn't enjoy it. If it's a gift, aren't 'gifts', by definition, something given to be enjoyed? Not simply 'used' (for reproduction). It would be called a 'tool' from God in that case.
 


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