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AlexanderTheGreat

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Is conventional morality inherently selfish? Consider this question posed by Dostoevsky: If the all of humanity could be guaranteed eternal bliss by murdering one innocent baby, would it be justified? I think it would not be justified according to conventional morality (perhaps excluding some versions of utilitarianism), but it would be selfish in my opinion for me as an individual to shy away from it because I wanted to be a moral person. What'd ya think?


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Posts: 292 | Posted: 06:09 AM on November 6, 2002 | IP
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No it should not be done. The whole of humanity would have that death over their heads and I for one do not think that i would be in bliss if i knew it cost a life. But a good question


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Posts: 96 | Posted: 03:25 AM on December 10, 2002 | IP
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But then again, what if we were all to live in starvation and the cild would die when s/he was ten because of starvation. Personally, I would rather be killed as an infant than be starved to death.
 


Posts: 30 | Posted: 10:11 AM on December 11, 2002 | IP
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today millions of people die from war, disease, hunger, natural disasters, etc. if you could guarantee them all bliss, why not? by refusing to kill one infant, and knowing what that prevents, wouldn't you also have ALL those deaths over your head? THAT'S my point.


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Posts: 292 | Posted: 10:59 AM on December 11, 2002 | IP
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alex, you support the murder of millions of innocent children...abortion


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Posts: 971 | Posted: 1:06 PM on December 11, 2002 | IP
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This about growing up knowing that your life means that humans didn't get eternal bliss? I think that could be worse then being murdered and remembered with joy forever more. Also, the main reason not to would be guilt... but then it wouldn't be eternal bliss, so I guess that means no one would feel guilty.
 


Posts: 122 | Posted: 3:52 PM on December 11, 2002 | IP
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fallingupwards....

that was a bit of a harsh stab, don'tcha think?
and even if it were true, it may invalidate me but it doesn't invalidate this thread's question, so really your post serves no purpose other than to be inflammatory. thanx, come again.

mrmazet...
no offense, but u need to write with better english. i can't understand what you're saying half the time. the last sentence i understood. well, even if you did feel guilty, who cares? why should how you get to feel be more important than other peoples' happiness. THAT is what I mean by selfish. and the generations who came after you, they wouldn't feel guilt because they didn't do anything. they would be guilt free, and happy. i mean really, how guilty do YOU personally feel about Hiroshima? how guilty do you think people will feel 500 years from now about it?


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Posts: 292 | Posted: 01:36 AM on December 12, 2002 | IP
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i think one lousy baby out of a billion would be worth all of humanities eternal bliss. I mean, that one baby could be the antichrist when it grows up.


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Posts: 33 | Posted: 02:44 AM on December 12, 2002 | IP
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It may be but who gives you the right to kill anyone even an unborn embryo.  No one thus it should not happen. To make a decision to do so... sorry if this is corny but... seems like lord of the rings. they posses such a great power to do good but this power is evil thus no matter what amount of good you have intended it is not ok to use evil ways of going about it. (Tolkien was a christian, and C.S. Lewis was the one who told him about God. Random tid-bit)


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Posts: 96 | Posted: 03:21 AM on December 12, 2002 | IP
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Quote from mrmazet at 3:52 PM on December 11, 2002 :
This about growing up knowing that your life means that humans didn't get eternal bliss? I think that could be worse then being murdered and remembered with joy forever more. Also, the main reason not to would be guilt... but then it wouldn't be eternal bliss, so I guess that means no one would feel guilty.


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Think about if you were the baby who wasn't murdered: you would grow up knowing that your life means that humans didn't get eternal bliss. I think that could be worse then being murdered and remembered with joy forever more.

Also, the main reason not to kill the baby be knowing you would be guilty afterwards... but, If you got eternal bliss, then that means you wouldn't feel guilty or have any other negative feelings.
 


Posts: 122 | Posted: 06:47 AM on December 12, 2002 | IP
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ok, this is getting too vague. let's change it. killing the baby doesn't give any kind of universal eternal bliss, just gets rid of all war and famine and disease for everyone forever. ok? simplified. people may still feel guilt in this scenario. I still think we should kill the baby. it doesn't have to do with moral justification, I am not a utilitarian. I am just saying we SHOULD do it, not that it would be right. don't you think morality and necessity can be separate?


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Posts: 292 | Posted: 09:57 AM on December 15, 2002 | IP
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morality is necessary!!


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