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Is premarital sex a sin? and why does the church put such a big emphasis on it?


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Many people think the bible says that sex outside of marriage is a sin.  But the bible is unclear.  In Exodus, chapter 20, in the 10 commandments, we are told you should not commit adultery.  Adultery is not defined as having sex outside of marriage.  It is defined as having sex with a married person.  Nothing is said prohibiting sexual relations between two unmarried people.  In fact, in Leviticus we are given a list of every situation in which we should not have sex.  We're not to have sex with married people, or with family members, or with animals.  We are not prohibited from having sex with an unmarried person who is not in our family.

Some places in the bible state that fornication is a sin.  Some wrongly interpret that to mean sex outside of marriage.  That is not true.  The greek translation identifies fornication as being any "illicit (illegal) sexual activity".  But in Leviticus, the bible does not mention sex between two unmarried people as being illicit.  

In fact, we read where some of God's greatest leaders, such as King David (who God called a man"after his own heart"), had hundreds of wives and hundreds of unmarried concubines (women kept in the house for the purpose of sex).  None of these were considerd sins.  It is only when David had sex with another man's wife that he committed the sin of adultery.
 


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i dont think premarital sex is really defined in the bible like curches push it today.  in my religion it is not a sin, but it is looked down upon.  i think it is just a morality call that many churches adopted.  a person who doesnt have sex before marriage is no better then one you does.


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"Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy. "
Romans 13:13

"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders"
1 Corinthians 6:9

"The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; "
Galatians 5:19

"But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people. "
Ephesians 5:3

"Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. "
Colossians 3:5

"Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never!"
1 Corinthians 6:15







 


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I hate it when it puts me as guest, oh well, you guys probably could have guessed it was me anyway...


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Nice cut and paste of bible quotes.  None of them have anything to do with premarital sex; but interesting to read anyway.  What do you think about premarital sex?
 


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It says you should be pure, stay away from "any kind of impurity" it says you shouldnt sleep with prostitues, isnt it only obevious?


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No where does it even mention premarital sex in the bible.  So why do you think it is impure?  I thought you took a literal view of the bible, so if it is not even mentioned why would you think it is bad.  Or is this one of those thing you don't take a literal view on because it doesn't support your bias.  Prosititution is paying for sex, so I would agree the bible says that is bad, but what about all other premarital sex.  Do you think all sex is bad?  If so what a sad life.
 


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that post by sakata is a laugh riot!
that has to be one of the most blatant dodges on an issue!
those quotes make no reference to pre-marital sex, except for prostitutes.
somehow, i think that doesn't cover all of it.
you can't say sex is immoral by saying God says people shouldn't have immoral sex, without also giving evidence of what kind of sex God was talking about.


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The bible manages to avoid a few issues coughabortioncough so its readers just borrow other rules. It seems that if god had gone out of his way to explain exactly how you need to spread the blood of a calf and on what side of the altar, he would have also blatantly given us rules about premarital sex if he had them.

(Edited by beavischrist 12/8/2002 at 12:03 AM).

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well abortion wasnt really a major issue back then either, which is why the Bible never addressed it


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Yeah the Bible never addresses human cloning or internet identity theft, therefore it is entirely useless and trash.  Wha??


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haha


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   Sakata I am very glad that you are firm in what you believe. If you are going to convinve people of something then you must have a desire to help them, not prove that you can use a concordance to the bible better than they can. Look up the Leviticus about unlawful sexual relations, and show us where it mentions premarital sex, or any where else in the bible for that matter. I am not going to have sex befor marriage but a concordance did not tell me that it is something i truly believe in and i would hope that you do also. The church today is so odd, and christains are such hypocrites(i am a christian) where does it mention premarital, sex no where. It mentions sodomy and homosexuality many times old adnd new testament. When was the last time a church said it was ok to have sex before marriage? Never. But I know chuches that say it is ok to be homosexual. Why is that? God is about grace and love show that to people and you will get a better reaction than thumping them with your bible. If you are so sure premarital sex is wrong where do you stop physically? I have no right to judge others and niether do you only God. Please we can all use a concordance. Tell us what you really feel about it have you ever had to deal with lust? I know I have. If you wish to change people's minds you must relate to them not show them you are smarter than they are. So lets here some relating.

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Just look at it this way.  For every couple having premarital sex, there are two less people out causing serious trouble.
 


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hmmmm, nice try but it wasnt funny


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I was raised in the Mormon religion. In the Mormon religion having sex before marriage is almost as bad as committing murder. Sex before marriage is the sin next to murder. I personally don't agree with this viewpoint.

(Edited by gunmyths 12/10/2002 at 02:32 AM).
 


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But can anyone actually prove that premarital sex is wrong using the bible, please do so if you can specifically Sakata i would love to hear your reasoning behind all of it. although i am not stating that i disagree with you. And also if it is wrong how far is ok? at what point is it no longer good.


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The bible condemns lust, as in wanting what is not yours.  When you have sex outside of marriage you are lusting for something that is not yours.  It becomes yours in marriage, the bible puts it as the union of two into one, that you become "one flesh", therefore you are no longer committing the sin of lust.  That is why premarital sex is wrong.


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actually i get moreof the impression that it says lust is after another masn wife as in the Law (Lev. 18:20), and then restated in the sermon on the mount by Jesus who made it just as bad as actually commiting (mat. 5:27) adultry(sp) and the fact that jesus related the two makes me feel that he mean to lust after another mans wife. To be the devils advocate. i have no desire to do so but my friend asked me why i wouldn't have sex before marriage and i told it was because of the scriptures, but when i took my bible out (which i had handy) i could not find it anywhere. so i got ot wondering and here i am.


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it actually seems to me that in the bibl when it refers to lust it is either in the context of a prostitute(such as Prov. 6:25) or another persons wife, which in those days would include those that are bretroted to be married, that is why it was such a big deal for Mary to be with child beofre she was married.


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Duet 5:21
'Neither shall you covet your neighbor's wife; and you shall not  lust after your neighbor's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or anything that is your neighbor's

Proverbs 21:26
All day long the wicked lust, but the righteous gives and does not hold back.  

Luke 12:15  
And he said to them, "Take heed, and beware of all lust; for a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.

All of these verses are based upon this idea of lust, yet none have anything to do with a sexual lust.  People have gotten away from the true meaning of lust as the want of something they don't have, and only see a miniscule facet of it, the sexual side.  The fact remains, in premarital sex you are lusting for something that you don't have yet in marriage.  Aside from this, our idea of adultery as sex is off to, "you have heard it said, 'do not commit adultery'.  "but i say to you whoever looks upon another in lust has commited adultery in his heart."


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the Bible clearly teaches that sex should be reserved for marriage


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fair enough on the lust issue. But Falling show me where these clear statments are. I hve looked pretty darn hard and can find nothing that directly supports your statement. wouldn't something like this issue be clearly defined? what about the concubine issue brought up earlier? was that a common practice in ancient Hebrew times? So premarital sex is bad then how far can you go?  Feel free i am very open to be convinced actually iw ould love some good info on this Thanks.


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Genesis 2:24 - "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh."


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Ok here it goes:
(disclamer i do not really believ all this but it is arguable)
If one has sex with someone they are not married to and they are already married to it is a sin. OK we agree on that.
if one has sex when they are not married and niether is the other person is it wrong or right?
well in Romans it states that someone does not get saved by the Law, but it is a good standard to live ones life to. God is the final judgement on sin and the old testament law was inspired by Him. Now if Laws were changed in the new Testament by Jesus then they(hey such as divorce. What type of respect did the Jews have for marriage? a jewiss could be divorced for burning the toast. Jesus said that it was wrong to do this and only throught marital unfaithfulness should divorce happen. (adultry) ) Thus i conclude that the Law is a good way to live ones life, in coralation to the New Testament, they allow for us to read God's words and better understand his desires for our lives. The bible prayer and the church are all things we need to look for, for guidance. If we wish to know what God desires for our lives we pray and read his word. Now find something in the Law that states having "premarital sex" is wrong. It could be argued that premarital sex itself doesn't exist. God intended sex to be perfect and holy, but humans perverted it to their own desires, thus they had to create the idea of being married to allow for the societal binding contract between people so that men would not have to worry over who was sleeping with their wives. But then in the ild testament their hearts grew hard and moses had to give them laws allowing for divorce. It is stated in the bible that a marriage is not complete until it is consumated. Maybe the act of having sex with the intent of being with that person for the rest of your lives and before God and the other person this is know the act of having sex initself is becoming married. Then if a person has sex with multiple people he is commiting adultry and if i could use the Genisis 2 verse here if a person has sex before marriage(as in having sex with the intent to be together with that person forever) then they are commiting adultry against their parents whom they are still in a binding relationship with, until they create their own family and join with their wife.

P.S. and since premarital sex is wrong how far can someone go and still be considerd as not sinning?  


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are you trying to find out for a reason....lol....i mean come on you must really want it not to be a sin for a reason look at some of the things you said NOva

"fair enough on the lust issue. But Falling show me where these clear statments are. I hve looked pretty darn hard and can find nothing that directly supports your statement. wouldn't something like this issue be clearly defined? what about the concubine issue brought up earlier? was that a common practice in ancient Hebrew times? So premarital sex is bad then how far can you go?  Feel free i am very open to be convinced actually iw ould love some good info on this Thanks."

why are you so intetrsted...is there a special guy in your life? Tired of waiting? just wanna have fun?


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Actually Mr. Billyit is more of a pretty lady. Any how i am a person and find myself battling lust and how far should i go with my girlfriend. i will no have sex until i am married without a doubt. An agnostic friend of mine asked me why my girl and i had nnot had sex after going out for a year and some odd months. and i told it was the scriptures. but when i got out my bible at school to show him i couldn't think of a thing. so i have been tryying to figure it out since then why does the church put an emphasis on it when it isn't mentionin the bible but something like homosexuality is and there are plaenty of churches that allow that. i figured it was coming soon but sorry i might battle with lust but premarital sex is something that is a line i will not cross( and there are  a few i won'te that eiteher.) oh and Nova means new as in made new for God not Casa Nova


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Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind. (First Corinthians 6:9)

But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints. (Ephesians 5:3)

For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication. (First Thessalonians 4:3)
 


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Ok very well. That is perfect but when you read those verses in  my bible the word sexual immorality for fornication, and fornication is not included in the Law. Not to say that your translation is wrong if anyone knows greek could you please help with translation problems. But i think that you are right these probably refer to fornication. specifically in 1 Thes. 4 it speeks of not acting on sexual desires like a heathen, heathens commited sins concerning sexuality, they were sodomy and adultry and also wide spread fornication. It still could be argued that thwey were refering only to homosexuality and suldtry though and also in verse 6 it refers to not wrong his brother, it could mean that you ought not take away a brothers future wife's virginity. but would this apply if you were going to marry the person or viewed the act as actually binding? Thanks for the verses.   you are tight God has no desire for us to have sex outside of marriage. He wants us to to be sanctified, set apart for him.


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instead of translating from greek why dont you translate from paleo hebrew in which it was written.


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So your are telling me that paul wrote a letter to a gentile curch in Thesolanica (sp) using paleo hebrew. Tell me if ia m wrong but wouldn't paul write a letter to a group of people in their language. In Other cases it refers to him as speaking in different languages accourding to the people that he is talking to, off the top of my head in acts when the mob is going to beat him up in Jerusalem he speaks in arameic(sp). Why would he not do something of the same sort here. Really... that seems a wee bit odd. When Paul wrote Hebrews, i am taking a wild guess but maybe he wrote in paleo hebrew, and not in greek.


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the old testament was written in hebrew and the new testament was in greek. period.


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Aramic is a languahe derived from paleo hebrew. And the bible was written in paleo hebrew, then translated to greek, then tranlated to latin, then translated to english from th laatin...plenty of room for error, also the dead sea scrolls where written in paleo hebrew, as well as the entire old testament for sure...im not exactly sure if the entire new testament was written in paleo hebrew but most likely was or at least written in aramic which is a derivitaive of hebrew.


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it really is not a period. because luke specifically would use different languages to describe the place acording to its own language and do you really think that the apostles and early saints would be so ignorant as to not write things in the language of the people they are trying o speak to. but generally i do agree it was written in Greek. but there are some odd people who think that it was actually inspired in hebrew but written down in greek but people like that are tripping as far as i am conserned. God speaks all languages and knos all.


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it is not a matter of what people think, it is a matter of fact that it was written in paleo Hebrew...it is not an opinion it is a fact....yes these people could speak other languages but the language of the jews and the nazarenes was hebrew. The dead sea scrolls was in hebrew....the ten commandments was in hebrew...


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i've heard from a million other people that the old testament is in hebrew and the new testament was in greek. if this is not true, can you please send me a link to a website that explains which language it really is?


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No one has yet provided any verse from the bible that says premarital sex is a sin.  Fornication, adultery, lust, etc. do not mean premarital sex.  It's okay if people want to think that premarital sex is not good.  However, there is not biblical justification to believe that premarital sex is bad.  Don't try to interpret words to mean things that they don't.
 


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"Thou shalt not lust."  And I've shown that lust is to want what you don't have.  Before two people are united in marriage, you are wanting what you don't have.


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Posts: 341 | Posted: 12:01 PM on December 12, 2002 | IP
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"Before two people are united in marriage, you are wanting what you don't have."

No, you are assuming you don't have it until you are married.  This does not prove anything, only that you have already made up your mind, not that the bible says you should not have prematital sex.  Your argument accepts the fact that you don't have something not by what the bible says but by your own ideas.
 


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have you ever heard the saying that when two people marry their souls become one? what happens if there is 3?
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Lust is wanted something you dont DESERVE to have. I.E., if I want a wife, that isnt lusting for a wife. If I want YOUR wife, that is lust. But I see no reason why you dont deserve a sexual partner if you desire one and s/he is free and unattached.


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thistowns post is a perfect example of circular reasoning.  He assumes as a premise the conclusion he wishes to reach.  The propositon is being rephrased so that the fallacy appears to be a valid argument to him.
 


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Where did you get the deserve part dsa?  And what am I assuming guest?  I gave a definition of lust and applied it to premarital sex, I know 2 steps is tough, but maybe, just maybe a little common sense is needed when the Bible doesn't explicitly spell something out.  There is no circular argument.  Definition of lust is wanting what you don't have->Sex before marriage is desiring what is not yours->Premarital sex is wrong.  Show me circle.


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I want a wife. I dont have one. Is that lust? How would anyone get anything if they didnt want what they dont have?


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if we were to truly look to see what the Bible meant when it was referring to "lust" we would look at what the original word was before it was translated (whether hebrew or greek). alot of times there are words in hebrew or greek that english does not have a word for. for example, there are like 4 different words for love in greek. in english, there is one.


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dsa could you get me some info on Gods name and the whole yahweh thing please my friend wont say "God" anymore because he says it is blasphemous and keeps telling me to stop saying it i need some knowledge of the what it says in teh hebrew specifically in the exodus 3 part pretty please. and thistown although i agree with you in the bible when it concerns lust it usually talks about something that is someone elses not smething that is no ones(except God of course).  any how it is arguable. and it is circualr logic because you are saysing that lust is something that you are defining using your belief(and my belief) that premarital sex is wrong. i am not disagreeing with you but you have yet to come up with concrete evidence



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Posts: 96 | Posted: 7:11 PM on December 12, 2002 | IP
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A guest above writes, "No one has yet provided any verse from the Bible that says premarital sex is a sin.  Fornication, adultery, lust, etc. do not mean premarital sex."

The dictionary defines fornication as, "voluntary sexual intercourse between persons not married to each other."

The Bible clearly does condemn premarital sex.


 


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but does the actual bible say fornication because we have shown there are translational differences my bible says sexual imorality rather than fornication.


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