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Belief in God is absurd.  There is no logical rational reason to believe in God.  People believe only because they are told over and over and over again that they must believe.  But that's not a good reason.  There are no good reasons and they all fail basic logical tests.

Granted, one can define the term god in anyway that one wants.  "God is love" "God is truth" are just two examples of many that some theologians make up in order to get around the serious logical flaws that serious philosophers have come up with the god concept.  But once we get around such silly fluff we see how meaningless these definitions are.  They are defining something else as god and by doing so they look silly.

Instead they should stick to what theologians have said for centuries prior: God is merely the designer or creator of the universe.  Various religions add various criteria to the god after that.  But virtually all religions (worthy of the name) know god as the creator.

But that's where the logic breaks down.  There is no evidence of a creator.  There is no need for such a creator - the laws of quantum physics do not require it.  And there is no evidence for a creator.  Furthermore, any creator requires his own creator, who in turn requires his creator, and so on ad infinitum.  It is just absurd to believe in such an entity and contrary to basic science.

Wake up people and join the modern world - get rid of religion.  It is only a dangerous and stupid drug.

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How exactly is religion dangerous?
 


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Get rid of Christianity and believe what? That life is pointless and once you die, that's it? I'd rather stick to the belief that says life has a meaning, we are all loved, and there is eternal rewards?


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Dear Mr. (or Mrs.) Atheist, if you will let me I would like to ask you a few questions.  The first of which would be, "Do you have a conscience? " (webster's 1828 Dictionary defines conscience as; "Conscience
CONSCIENCE, n. [L., to know, to be privy to.]

1. Internal or self-knowledge, or judgment of right and wrong; or the faculty, power or principle within us, which decides on the lawfulness or unlawfulness of our own actions and affections, and instantly approves or condemns them. Conscience is called by some writers the moral sense, and considered as an original faculty of our nature. Others question the propriety of considering conscience as a distinct faculty or principle. The consider it rather as the general principle of moral approbation or disapprobation, applied to ones own conduct and affections; alledging that our notions of right and wrong are not to be deduced from a single principle or faculty, but from various powers of the understanding and will.")

 Is there something inside of you, beyond impulsive emotion, that tells you whether an action is right or wrong? A simple yes or no will suffice in your response to this, but if you wish to explain your answer in detail always feel free to do so.


(Edited by dubie903 2/27/2009 at 1:17 PM).


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Quote from Atheist at 3:32 PM on December 15, 2008 :
Belief in God is absurd.  There is no logical rational reason to believe in God.  People believe only because they are told over and over and over again that they must believe.  But that's not a good reason.  There are no good reasons and they all fail basic logical tests.

Granted, one can define the term god in anyway that one wants.  "God is love" "God is truth" are just two examples of many that some theologians make up in order to get around the serious logical flaws that serious philosophers have come up with the god concept.  But once we get around such silly fluff we see how meaningless these definitions are.  They are defining something else as god and by doing so they look silly.

Instead they should stick to what theologians have said for centuries prior: God is merely the designer or creator of the universe.  Various religions add various criteria to the god after that.  But virtually all religions (worthy of the name) know god as the creator.

But that's where the logic breaks down.  There is no evidence of a creator.  There is no need for such a creator - the laws of quantum physics do not require it.  And there is no evidence for a creator.  Furthermore, any creator requires his own creator, who in turn requires his creator, and so on ad infinitum.  It is just absurd to believe in such an entity and contrary to basic science.

Wake up people and join the modern world - get rid of religion.  It is only a dangerous and stupid drug.

Atheist



You are ignorant, you keep saying "there is no evidence of a creation"  but in reality there is also no evidence against a creator, that isn't the issue though.

You're using fiels of science that deal with the natural world to determine if something unnatural or supernatural exists. This doesn't work, its like eating tomato soup with chopsticks. It doesn't work.

In reality, though religion isn't at all perfect (it has a history, what doesn't?), it does add value to the lives of many, it does create communities and it has created a lot of good and bad things in the history of the world.

So it definitely has an effect on the world around you, so I don't get your objection to its existance.

 


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The universe we live in is far too complicated and harmonious to have been completely without some kind of push in the right direction. While I dont believe in a specific god or religion and have my own ideas as to how and why religions exist, I think it goes to far to say that there is no creator in any way shape or form. Its hard for the human mind to grasp the idea that everything could have existed and will continue to exist forever, at this point science just cant tell us why everything is. Religions have there good and bad points,  they come closer (at least in theory) to explaining out existence than any scientist ever has.
 


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"Get rid of Christianity and believe what? That life is pointless and once you die, that's it? I'd rather stick to the belief that says life has a meaning, we are all loved, and there is eternal rewards?"

just because you WANT to believe it doesn't make it true. if that were the case i would believe world hunger didn't exist and *poof* no more world hunger.

" Is there something inside of you, beyond impulsive emotion, that tells you whether an action is right or wrong? A simple yes or no will suffice in your response to this, but if you wish to explain your answer in detail always feel free to do so."

YES...and?...

"You are ignorant, you keep saying "there is no evidence of a creation"  but in reality there is also no evidence against a creator, that isn't the issue though."

that can be said about anything. there's no evidence against...invisible pink unicorns...so what?

"You're using fiels of science that deal with the natural world to determine if something unnatural or supernatural exists. This doesn't work, its like eating tomato soup with chopsticks. It doesn't work."

if that something supernatural suggests things that contradict what we know about the universe through science then it works just fine

"In reality, though religion isn't at all perfect (it has a history, what doesn't?), it does add value to the lives of many, it does create communities and it has created a lot of good and bad things in the history of the world.

"So it definitely has an effect on the world around you, so I don't get your objection to its existance."

there's no question here that religion exists but that, as stated in the first post by the topic creator, "Belief in God is absurd."

(Edited by bobby4 5/18/2009 at 02:54 AM).
 


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Haha, It's extremely funny to see all these Christians get soooo defensive about people not believing in "god"

There are SEVERAL reasons, Why common sense overrides The belief of Christianity.

One, Why are there so many different religions within the religion? EX: Southern Baptist ( Who tend to go ridiculously crazy, as if they are having a seizure ) Northern baptist, etc etc.

Two, Churches pay NO TAXES!! Yet, They get all this money from the people for what? "The church upkeep"? I think its bull, Where I come from (And i've been to several different churches)
They all do the SAME thing, "Jesus said this, JESUS wants you to do that!" Now before you guys leave, Make sure to give 20% of your earning, In which you work hard for, work 12 hour days for, to JESUS! because we all know he needs it, "UP THERE IN HEAVEN"

You may also try this excuse, giving to the so called "teacher" is giving to god. That's a load of crap, Last I knew the preacher couldn't even contact god, let alone give him some money? lmao. Giving to the pastor/ "teachers" Is giving them money for the phone bill.

Now when I say they don't pay taxes, I just mean the taxes other buildings would pay, Like for instance K-Mart, or Just a family owned business.

Third, The was I was brought up "god" was an all forgiving god, and If you truly apologize for your sins, All shall be forgiven. Now, Correct me if I'm wrong but if I've sinned and I "ascend" to heaven and meet "god the father/son/holy spirit (3 people.. 1 person btw) That would intern scare the living hell out of me, And I'd be like wow, I honestly truly sorry!, Which intern would get me into the gates of heaven, Correct?

Fourth, Some Christians believe that the world is no older then 25,000 Years old? Wooow.

THERE ARE SCIENTIFIC FACTS that prove, the earth has been here a good. eh idk, 4.5 BILLION years old.

Dunno, Seems funny to me. I could also get into the dinosaurs etc etc, But I don't have time.


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Quote from dubie903 at 1:16 PM on February 27, 2009 :
Dear Mr. (or Mrs.) Atheist, if you will let me I would like to ask you a few questions.  The first of which would be, "Do you have a conscience? " (webster's 1828 Dictionary defines conscience as; "Conscience
CONSCIENCE, n. [L., to know, to be privy to.]

1. Internal or self-knowledge, or judgment of right and wrong; or the faculty, power or principle within us, which decides on the lawfulness or unlawfulness of our own actions and affections, and instantly approves or condemns them. Conscience is called by some writers the moral sense, and considered as an original faculty of our nature. Others question the propriety of considering conscience as a distinct faculty or principle. The consider it rather as the general principle of moral approbation or disapprobation, applied to ones own conduct and affections; alledging that our notions of right and wrong are not to be deduced from a single principle or faculty, but from various powers of the understanding and will.")

 Is there something inside of you, beyond impulsive emotion, that tells you whether an action is right or wrong? A simple yes or no will suffice in your response to this, but if you wish to explain your answer in detail always feel free to do so.


(Edited by dubie903 2/27/2009 at 1:17 PM).



Unfortunately religious types get morals and religion confused. For some reason they believe that a person must have God in their life to be a good person. This is entirely illogical. If a person is good for their own reasons they are a better person than one who is good to satisfy someone else (in this case God). If a person kills another person then asks forgiveness from God, are they a better person than someone who gives his time to the homeless but does not accept God?

Asking for evidence against God is a little backwards because religion offers little to disprove and when things are disproven, the story of God changes. Take the bible as literal until there is evidence against it, then change to not taking the bible quite so literally. If you show me a photo of you standing next to God, that is evidence that he exists, but taking a photo without God standing next to me does not give any evidence that he does not exist.

Get rid of Christianity and believe what? That life is pointless and once you die, that's it? I'd rather stick to the belief that says life has a meaning, we are all loved, and there is eternal rewards?


This is the typical attitude of many religious people. I like this story better than the alternative so I'll believe it.

Gods were created by man because of our own inquisitive nature. Everyone wants to know why they are here and where they are going so a God was a good way to explain how and why we are here, it also gave man areason to look beyond their own lifetime. Also, by creating an all powerful, vengeful God, the masses could be controlled. If people thought that if they did anything wrong then God could see them and punish them, they were less likely to commit crime and it was used as an early method of human law.
 


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There is more evidence that God exists than there is for the BB.  Where did the singularity come from?  How did the universe become infinitely compressed in the singularity?  What caused it to suddenly decompress?  What existed before the BB?  Was there life before the BB?

Here are some scientist's postulations about the BB:
1.  The singularity was a black hole.  
2.  The singularity was so compressed (infinitely) that it did not exist.
3.  There was nothing before the BB.
4.  There was no time before the BB.
5.  All the laws of physics broke down in the singularity.
6.  There was no matter in the singularity, just energy.

This is what those who ridicule a God creation must believe.  Where's the evidence, folks?  There is no evidence to support any of the six things I posted.  All is pure conjecture.  We actually know nothing about the BB before the first 10^-43 seconds.  Why then all these assertions?

And you think religion has myths?


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Quote from firechild at 11:35 PM on December 7, 2009 :

Unfortunately religious types get morals and religion confused.


I do not have religion and morality confused, if I am what you are labeling as a "religious type" they do coexist though.   Morality is how we are supposed to act towards our fellow man, and religion is how we are supposed to act towards God.  How we act towards man though is based on what?  What is right and wrong?  Who makes that call?  Is there a right and wrong that goes beyond personal perception.  Red is red, my father in law cannot see reds, so he sees gray instead of red, but that doesn't change the fact that red is red, and when he pulls up to a red light he is supposed to stop.  Being color blind will not excuse him from a traffic violation.  Red is red even though he can't see red.  So again my question is, is there a right and wrong that goes beyond our own personal perception?  If there is then who decided it? Is rape wrong? Kidnapping? Stealing? Eating people? Lying? Much of morality can be discovered by how we react to what people do to us.  What if I stole from you?  Is that wrong?

Quote from firechild at 11:35 PM on December 7, 2009 : For some reason they believe that a person must have God in their life to be a good person. This is entirely illogical. If a person is good for their own reasons they are a better person than one who is good to satisfy someone else (in this case God).


I do not believe that anyone is "good".  We will use Tiger woods as an example.  He is a good golfer but is he "good".  He has openly admitted to cheating on his wife, so is he good.  He is a good golfer, but a terrible husband.  Or is he really a terrible husband, well we can't really say that if there is no right and wrong.  If you don't believe he did anything wrong then I guess maybe he didn't.  He supposedly was raised in buddhism, so he has a religion, but that didn't seem to stop him from acting immoral.

Quote from firechild at 11:35 PM on December 7, 2009 : If a person kills another person then asks forgiveness from God, are they a better person than someone who gives his time to the homeless but does not accept God?


What good is it to give time to the homeless, time doesn't help their condition.  According to a biblical perspective which is where I do my best to stand, just asking God for forgiveness is not good enough either.  If you care for me to explain in detail request a reply.


Quote from firechild at 11:35 PM on December 7, 2009 :Asking for evidence against God is a little backwards because religion offers little to disprove and when things are disproven, the story of God changes. Take the bible as literal until there is evidence against it, then change to not taking the bible quite so literally. If you show me a photo of you standing next to God, that is evidence that he exists, but taking a photo without God standing next to me does not give any evidence that he does not exist.


From a biblical perspective God from the very beginning is presented as the one who created it all.  The fact that matter exist is the evidence for a supernatural power.  "NOTHING" cannot create "SOMETHING".  What made matter?  It is to my understanding that there is and has been the same amount of matter in the universe that there was at the beginning of time.  Matter cannot be created, or destroyed, correct me if I am wrong.  Where did the existence of matter come from.  Science points to a beginning.  


Quote from firechild at 11:35 PM on December 7, 2009 :

Gods were created by man because of our own inquisitive nature. Everyone wants to know why they are here and where they are going so a God was a good way to explain how and why we are here, it also gave man areason to look beyond their own lifetime. Also, by creating an all powerful, vengeful God, the masses could be controlled. If people thought that if they did anything wrong then God could see them and punish them, they were less likely to commit crime and it was used as an early method of human law.


The truth of who God is has been perverted by man in order to satisfy their own lusts.  Religions completely based on sex, pride, greed and whatever other evil lies in the hearts of man have been produced in order to pervert the truth about God.  God is real, yet much of what we believe about Him is not.  And sadly there has been much done in the name of God that is truly intolerable, and will be rightly judged.  


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Quote from dubie903 at 5:25 PM on February 19, 2010 :

From a biblical perspective God from the very beginning is presented as the one who created it all.  


From a biblical perspective this is true.

The fact that matter exist is the evidence for a supernatural power.


That may follow "from a biblical perspective", but is not necessary from the physics.  Physics does not rule it out either.  You not understanding the math does not constitute evidence.

 "NOTHING" cannot create "SOMETHING".


The Casimir effect demonstrates that particles pop in and out of existence around us continuously, effectively something being created out of nothing.  The Casimir effect allows us to extract energy out of "empty" space.

 What made matter?  


There are two competing theories of baryogensis, perhaps the new LHC will allow us to choose between them.  The heart of it is the violation of CP-symmetry (demonstrated 1964, Nobel prize in 1980) which allows an asymmetry in the production of matter vs antimatter as it condensed out of the energy of the big bang.

It is to my understanding that there is and has been the same amount of matter in the universe that there was at the beginning of time.


Ever heard of E=mc^2?  Matter being converted to energy is what keeps us warm.


 
Matter cannot be created, or destroyed, correct me if I am wrong.  


A fairly naive view.  High powered lasers are able to produce electrons from "empty" space.  Look at a picture of the output of a particle accelerator, a zoo of particles are created from the energy of the collision.  The LHC is getting us closer to understanding the remaining few questions by getting close to the energy density of the Big Bang.


Where did the existence of matter come from.  Science points to a beginning.  


Yes, indeed.  Is this a surprise?





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Quote from JSF16 at 02:53 AM on January 30, 2009 :
Get rid of Christianity and believe what? That life is pointless and once you die, that's it? I'd rather stick to the belief that says life has a meaning, we are all loved, and there is eternal rewards?



Religion is also responsible for some wars, creates discrimination and hold society back.

It's discriminating because in the bible it says that a man can't marry a man (it doesn't say anything about women marrying women), and since colanies that came from England pretty much started as Christian based, it's rubbed off on the law, so it doesn't able us to marry, nor to adopt, to inseminate in some countries and states. We most likely wouldn't have this problem if there wasn't such thing as religion.

It holds society back because of stem cell reasearch; apparently the cells had 'souls'. So, eventhough these amazing cells could be used to fight diseases and repair the body, but religious people still objected to this for religious reasons. We'd be a much healthier if it weren't for religion.

People say that religion keeps people from murder or committing crimes, gives meaning to their life, prevent them from killing themselves,  and it's the only thing to do it. But I say, no. Because if that were the case, then every Atheist would be a committing crimes, murdering, drinking and maybe even taking or selling drugs. So that argument fails.

A lot of Atheists I know follow the law, use common sense and their good will to stay intact and in school just like myself. Being atheist gives you more chance of having an open mind and being more accepting.

*Whenever I hear a religious reason for something no being passed that will be one step closer to ending discrimination and/or benefitting the community, I get quite annoyed and roll my eyes.

(Edited by 18randa 3/5/2010 at 05:10 AM).


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Quote from Atheist at 2:32 PM on December 15, 2008 :
Belief in God is absurd.  There is no logical rational reason to believe in God.  People believe only because they are told over and over and over again that they must believe.  But that's not a good reason.  There are no good reasons and they all fail basic logical tests.

Granted, one can define the term god in anyway that one wants.  "God is love" "God is truth" are just two examples of many that some theologians make up in order to get around the serious logical flaws that serious philosophers have come up with the god concept.  But once we get around such silly fluff we see how meaningless these definitions are.  They are defining something else as god and by doing so they look silly.

Instead they should stick to what theologians have said for centuries prior: God is merely the designer or creator of the universe.  Various religions add various criteria to the god after that.  But virtually all religions (worthy of the name) know god as the creator.

But that's where the logic breaks down.  There is no evidence of a creator.  There is no need for such a creator - the laws of quantum physics do not require it.  And there is no evidence for a creator.  Furthermore, any creator requires his own creator, who in turn requires his creator, and so on ad infinitum.  It is just absurd to believe in such an entity and contrary to basic science.

Wake up people and join the modern world - get rid of religion.  It is only a dangerous and stupid drug.

Atheist


Do you really know this 'God' who you deny? Not a word you say is true. How I know this? Because God says so!

YES! It is written in the Bible. The Bible is the Word of God, the foundation of Christianity.

Before you attack the credibility of the Bible, can tell me what Atheism is without quoting the Bible?

Why? because, just like Christianity, atheism also cannot exist without the Bible.

You cannot deny God without using the Bible!

Check out any atheist website and you see my point.

You cannot deny something that doesn't exist!


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Do you really know this 'God' who you deny? Not a word you say is true. How I know this? Because God says so!


How do you know God says so? Did he tell you personally?

YES! It is written in the Bible. The Bible is the Word of God, the foundation of Christianity.


No, the bible was written by fallible man. It was fallible man that chose what was and was not divinely inspired. God did not attend the meeting where parts of the bible were accepted and others were thrown out as not making sense. It was fallible man that created the bible from beginning to end.

Before you attack the credibility of the Bible, can tell me what Atheism is without quoting the Bible?


Atheism is the non-belief in any deity. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the Christian God specifically.

Why? because, just like Christianity, atheism also cannot exist without the Bible.


Atheism works even better without the bible. If Christianity did not exist atheists would still not believe in any deity, we still would not believe the teachings of Islam, Hindu, Judaism or any other crackpot religion.

You cannot deny God without using the Bible!


Atheism is a non-belief, we do not need any book to not believe. It's like saying you can't not believe in elves without using Lord of the Rings. It's a nonsensical statement.

Check out any atheist website and you see my point.

You cannot deny something that doesn't exist!


Firstly, you can deny the existence of anything you like, especially things that DO NOT exist. Your argument is illogical, but then again, so is your belief in something that you have no evidence of. Secondly, you do not understand atheism, you seem to think it is some sort of direct opposition to the Christian God. It is not, atheists hold the Christian God on the same level as Zeus, Allah, Jupiter or Brahman. We do not accdept the existence of any of them.
 


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I think the greatest case of God existing comes from the testimonies of people who have had supernatural experiences of God's power many who were former athiests before having religous experiences.

Look up testimonies on youtube by Davey Falcus and Mario Forte for example. Type their names plus the word Testimony. They are two of the best I have come across.

If it wasn't for powerful testimonies like these I would be an athiest too.
 


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Quote from 18randa at 05:08 AM on March 5, 2010 :
Quote from JSF16 at 02:53 AM on January 30, 2009 :

People say that religion keeps people from murder or committing crimes, gives meaning to their life, prevent them from killing themselves,  and it's the only thing to do it. But I say, no. Because if that were the case, then every Atheist would be a committing crimes, murdering, drinking and maybe even taking or selling drugs. So that argument fails.

A lot of Atheists I know follow the law, use common sense and their good will to stay intact and in school just like myself. Being atheist gives you more chance of having an open mind and being more accepting.
(Edited by 18randa 3/5/2010 at 05:10 AM).


As, because the Christians only created the Salvation Army, The Bridge and countless soup kitchens. Teen Challenge is a Christian-run drug-rehab program with a success rate of 80% or higher as opposed to government drug rehab centers which mostly, according to Drug Rehabs.org, have a 2-20% success rate.

You doubtlessly know some very nice Atheists and I am glad for you. However, note that the majority of gang members are also atheists or agnostics.

Many Christians are very accepting of other people, and if they are not, they should be. There are plenty of bad Christians in the world as there are plenty of bad atheists, Muslims, Hindu's, and Harri-Krishna worshipers. Every belief group has scumbags, some more noticeable than others. For Muslims, it's Al-Quaeda, for Christians, it's groups like the West-Bestpero church and their 'God hates fags' signs and funeral picketing. Atheists have gangs, bullies, murderers, etc.


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Quote from creationest6 at 12:19 AM on September 27, 2010 :
Teen Challenge is a Christian-run drug-rehab program with a success rate of 80% or higher as opposed to government drug rehab centers which mostly, according to Drug Rehabs.org, have a 2-20% success rate.


That is an interesting statistic, can I get a source?

You doubtlessly know some very nice Atheists and I am glad for you. However, note that the majority of gang members are also atheists or agnostics.


Again, do you have a source?

Also, just making sure I understand you correctly. You are saying that every group has bad people in it, and atheists have good and bad people like everyone else? In addition, I'd like to add that we should separate people that do bad things because of their belief, and people that do bad things for other reasons. Even if most gang members are atheist/agnostic, I don't think they are doing these things because they are atheist/agnostic. While those like Al-Quaeda and the Westboro baptist church most certainly are.


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Look in the Studies of Teen Challenge Effectiveness section. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teen_Challenge

I may have said the wrong thing. No Christians are part of street gangs. This needs no statistics to back it up, seeing as if a Crip for example claims he's a Christian, yet he's looting and using drugs, he's obviously no more Christian than the Westboro Church.

While I agree that atheists and agnostic gang members aren't killing 'In the name of Darwin' or anything like that, if they were Christians or Muslims, good Muslims, they would not be in the gangs. You cannot be a Christian and work in the gangs, you can't be working for the world and for Christ at the same time.


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Quote from creationest6 at 8:16 PM on September 28, 2010 :
While I agree that atheists and agnostic gang members aren't killing 'In the name of Darwin' or anything like that,
Whereas you will find people killing "because god told them to...
if they were Christians or Muslims, good Muslims, they would not be in the gangs.
What if god told them to join a gang? Who are you to say that only you can interpret his word?
You cannot be a Christian and work in the gangs,
Are you sure about that? Maybe someone can't be your kind of christian but if they believe that they are interpreting and following the word of jesus, that pretty mich makes them christians.
you can't be working for the world and for Christ at the same time.
This makes no sense whatsoever. You are stating that someone who has a job cannot work for christ. Why?  





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If they are killing people because God told them to, they are either lying or they are not following God. There is another supernatural being at work, a particularly malicious being.

If God told them to join a gang it would be for the purpose of evangelism, not to participate in gang activities.

No, you can't be a Christian and work for the gangs, it's simple. All you have to do is read the bible, Jesus teaches against that evil activities, plain as day. He promotes kindness and goodness.

By working for the world I do not mean a literal job. Of course you can work at Wal-Mart and be with Christ. What I mean is that you cannot


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I may have said the wrong thing. No Christians are part of street gangs. This needs no statistics to back it up


Wrong.

If a Crip for example claims he's a Christian, yet he's looting and using drugs, he's obviously no more Christian than the Westboro Church.


Nice "no true scotsman" fallacy. You can't state that no gang members are Christian, and then redefine "Christian" to exclude people who are part of a gang. And you especially can't do that and then refer to those people as "atheists". An atheist is someone who doesn't believe in a God. A hypocritical Christian gang member is, therefore, no atheist.

If they are killing people because God told them to, they are either lying or they are not following God.


Well, then i guess you don't believe in the bible, because the bible states that God has told people to kill other people. Among other things, the bible states that God has told people to kill babies and other non combatants, and that he once told a man to kill his child for no particular reason. Are you saying that the bible lies? You can't have it both ways.
 


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Get rid of Christianity and believe what? That life is pointless and once you die, that's it? I'd rather stick to the belief that says life has a meaning, we are all loved, and there is eternal rewards?


But then when do you realize you are living for the present, the moment in which you dwell. And how will you die in dignity when you have planned out something? Why not let whatever happens happen? According to every religion in some way you are doomed if you do not believe in that religion. So, the danger I see is submitting your life to a way of living




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