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Should Euthanasia be Legal ?

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Posts: 31 | Posted: 3:29 PM on May 1, 2002 | IP
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yes.  If someone wants to die, let them.  It is their choice.  If they want to be put out of their misery, let them be.


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Posts: 438 | Posted: 4:17 PM on September 25, 2002 | IP
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People should be allowed euthinasia, because if you're dying of some nasty disease, you'd really want to be put out of your misery. But it should be very hard to do, like a lot of paperwork or something to make it hardre to use it for murder.
 


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What???  You cant use euthanasia for murder.  Euthanasia is only to be used for patients.  No one can order euthanasia! lol.


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Posts: 438 | Posted: 5:06 PM on September 27, 2002 | IP
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Live and let die.

It's their life, and they shuld be able to die if they want to.
 


Posts: 122 | Posted: 5:05 PM on October 9, 2002 | IP
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Yup.  Euthanasia in patients would also make a decrease in anual hospital cost, because more room for those who dun it and less money needed to buy supplies wasted.


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Posts: 438 | Posted: 8:17 PM on October 16, 2002 | IP
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I support euthanasia for the same reason I support suicide (err, rather I don't demonize it like most people do), a human above all has one right, to have control over his live and death.
 


Posts: 193 | Posted: 3:42 PM on November 22, 2002 | IP
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Anyone who commits suicide is weak minded and has absolutely no respect for themselves or the people that love them.


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Posts: 372 | Posted: 06:13 AM on November 23, 2002 | IP
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unfortunately tsmith, those who are about to commit suicide think they are doing it as a favor to those who are around them.  and it is true that they don't have respect for themselves.  most suicides come from depression.  most depression is a chemical imbalance.  something the person has no control over.   maybe, just maybe, we should show sympathy to those who are bad enough off to commit suicide instead of calling them "weak-minded"  maybe it is attitudes that show them no support that finally push them over the edge.  but euthanasia has many differences from suicide.  


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Posts: 134 | Posted: 11:38 PM on November 23, 2002 | IP
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People need to stand up and face their problems instead of chosing the biggest cop out there is, suicide.  I can understand terminal illness, but thats it.  Anything else is simply out of the question in terms of respect to these people that commit suicide.


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Posts: 372 | Posted: 06:09 AM on November 24, 2002 | IP
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maybe some folks just aren't physically or mentally able to stand up to their problems like you and me tsmith.  if i'm not mistaken, which i very well may be, most people leave themselves a way out when they "commit suicide", or in other words, they don't completely do the job.  methods like over-dose, slit wrists, etc.  they know they can be saved.  most likely its just a call for help.  repeated suicide attempts are spawned from attitudes like yours.  ostrisize them, because you just don't care, or you just don't want to care.  then again, it might not hit home with you, because you may not have ever experienced someone who just wants to get on with the next life.   i hope you don't feel that i've judged you, but thats just my little tangent.  

(Edited by Cool-Hand-Dave 11/25/2002 at 10:49 AM).


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Posts: 134 | Posted: 4:04 PM on November 24, 2002 | IP
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Calling people who commit suicide selfish is completely absurd. It is the ultimate in selfishness to expect someone else to give up control of their life and death for the sake of your feelings.
 


Posts: 193 | Posted: 6:00 PM on November 24, 2002 | IP
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I don't think suicide is selfish, but I do think we should try to stop it (i am not talking about terminal illness, etc.). My father is a psychiatrist and has helped many people who were so depressed they wanted to kill themselves, and now, after getting better, are very happy someone intervened. on another note, i think people who say it is selfish are really being narrow-minded. people who are depressed don't think the same way you do. you have to empathize.


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Posts: 292 | Posted: 12:00 AM on November 25, 2002 | IP
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I agree. People should not advise others to kill themselves. We should always try to prevent it, but if it happens I don't think calling the person weak and a coward helps anything. Even if it did, I don't think they are weak or cowards, some people have been through a lot and it's not my place to judge. From my protected middle class american male life I can't say, "Hey, holocaust survivor, you killed yourself. You're weak and selfish."
 


Posts: 193 | Posted: 01:50 AM on November 25, 2002 | IP
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i guess the rason they refer to them as weak and cowardly is bc there is other ways out of situations, and also many people go through the same problems as those people, but nstead of killing themselves they work hard and find a solution. When the stock market fell in the 1920's many rich men jumped out of sky scrapers bc they thought there life was over finacially. These people failed to realize that money truly isnt everything. We (espcially as americans) take for granted all that we have, and to kill your self over financial problems in my mind is ludacris. Sure you might not live as comfortable a life as you used to or as comfortable as others, but what about all the impoverished people in Africa who are happy bc they never knew any thing different.
       I assume many other people kill themselves over things like a spouse leaving them or other family problems. This i find a little....well i guess weak. The statement is true that there are plenty of fish in the sea. Emotions are temporary and time does heal any and nearly every wound. There are plentyof options for people to take. If a wife/husband does leave you then maybe after a while you will realize the shortcomings of that person and that obviously the two were not meant to be.
     Japan has the highest suicide rate in the world, many of the people are school students. These people are not the first to go through the same school or same hardships, if others can do it then why cant the person who is willing to kill themselves over it do it.
     Killing your self is selfish. Think about your family and friends that do care about you. To deprive them of your company and your presence, and to put them through sorrow just so you no longer have to face a problem is selfish.
     I dont know every cause for people who want to commit suicide, and i bet one of you will bring up a scenario where it might be a viable option, but for most reasons i dont understand it. Kurt Cobain had everything to live for, he had money, fame, a daughter, and a family who loved him. I dont under stand why he would kill himself (please no one say that he didnt kill himself, that Courtney love did). I havee heard that he was going through withdrawels from drugs and that is why, but i have never been there and dont know what it is like, but i am sure that he is not the first person to go through that same exact problem. He unlike most people had a good financial basis, network of caring friends , and a good career to go to if he lived but he chose not to...and why. I cant criticize him but i can say that i dont understand and i do believe it is weak, selfish, and just an easy answer to a problem that can be solved by other means...talk to someone ask for help and people will see other dors of oppurtunity open for them.
      Many people realize there calling in life in near death experiences...use it as a tool to realize what you have and never take for granted who you are and where you came from.


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Posts: 451 | Posted: 02:37 AM on November 25, 2002 | IP
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I agree with you madbilly.  I do believe that depression is caused by chemical imbalances, but in the end it all comes down to will.  Good points.


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wonderfully put madbilly.  exactly how i feel.  suicide is just a way to get attention, kind of extreme, but attention.  

my wife has chemical imbalances, so does her sister, mother, and aunt, one did kill herself.  but my wife makes it through it all because she knows people love her, and she knows there is so much to live for nomatter how depressed she gets.


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i'm sorry, but i tend to disagree.  when in a severe state of depression, a person only focuses on the bad, they don't think of the positive parts of their life.  that is why it is called depression.  people don't focus on how happy they make their family.  they can only think of how much better the lives of their loved ones would be if only they were gone.  they can only focus on the bad and that can drive them to the point of suicide.  this is most likely just one case, and i'm sure there are many more, but i feel this one case proves the suicide is not necessarily selfish.  and i do believe that some suicides are due to weakness, and i believe it is a weakness that cannot be necessarily helped.  


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all i can say is what i have experienced through my wifes family, its probably different for other people, but their love for each other saved them so many times.  but suicide is most definatley selfish, exactly why you stated, they feel other peoples lifes would be so much better without them, they are only thinking about themselves, like they really have that much affect on some one else.  now i wish there was an easy fix for all this, and i know my experiences are probably pretty rare, but i still think suicide is weak and selfish.


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Posts: 270 | Posted: 11:20 AM on November 25, 2002 | IP
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Explain to me how it is not selfish to expect someone to exist in order to spare your feelings.
 


Posts: 193 | Posted: 12:22 PM on November 25, 2002 | IP
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Quote from Maynard at 11:20 AM on November 25, 2002 :
but suicide is most definatley selfish, exactly why you stated, they feel other peoples lifes would be so much better without them, they are only thinking about themselves, like they really have that much affect on some one else.  



how is that selfish?  they are thinking of the well-bieng of others, not of themselves.  that is more along the lines of selflessness not selfishness.  


(Edited by Cool-Hand-Dave 11/25/2002 at 12:39 PM).


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you are probably the first person i ever heard that says suicide could be selfless.  the majority of the people i know that talked about it are doing it for attention, yes they are depressed, yes they feel worthless, but they say it so someone will say...ahhh your full of it, your worth alot, dont do it we care about you.  i cant say for people who have killed themselves, because i cant talk to them.  


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Posts: 270 | Posted: 2:31 PM on November 25, 2002 | IP
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suicide is very subjective to the individual.  some people are serious about it.  some want to know they are loved.  some are selfish and some are selfless.  the topic cannot be generalized.  


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I still have not heard an argument of how it is not extremely selfish to expect others to live for your sake.
 


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It is selfish to want someone else to live to serve you happiness. It is, though, even more selfish to take your life away from those who love you. Alot of these suicide cases are stressed parents. How would it not be selfish to commit suicide and leave your 1 yr old stranded to find its own way through his years? And what of those people who take their child's life along with theirs in their own despair? Give me an argument against that truth.
 


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Since we have no units of selfishness, it's a hard arguement. I may agree with you on the child example, but I do not in other cases of suicide. A persons control over their own life outweighs anyone's feelings but their own.
 


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  It is true that a person can control their own life, but as you grow, people become more dependent upon each member of society. In a way, when you commit suicide, you are taking away from what you have been given by all those whom you love and trust. It's like a bank, your peers put trust and loyalty into you for safe keeping. Taking your own life is like robbing that bank of the savings that dont belong to you. Almost like embezalment.
 


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That's not  bad take on it.
 


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[b]Can we please get back to the subject of Euthanasia.  I want to pose this question to you guys.  Do you aggree to Euthanasia as it applies to the mentaly and or physically disabled?
 


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Guest, yes I agree with you, I do agree with Euthanasia as in the case of mentally or physically disabled peoples, I agree with it for nearly, if not all people. I am 100% for freedom of choice, people should be able to choose what they do with their lives, that is why we as humans are given free will.


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I feel that euthanasia should be illegal, because it is taking a person's life away when they could become relieved from pain by pain relievers or a miraclous recovery. If people look down on sucide then why do they think it is fine to perform assisted sucide?


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Quote from Guest at 08:23 AM on December 11, 2002 :
It is selfish to want someone else to live to serve you happiness. It is, though, even more selfish to take your life away from those who love you. Alot of these suicide cases are stressed parents. How would it not be selfish to commit suicide and leave your 1 yr old stranded to find its own way through his years? And what of those people who take their child's life along with theirs in their own despair? Give me an argument against that truth.



Euthanasia is usually applied when one is in a fatal disease. So is it selfish to let one keep on being in pain? or is it better for one to stop that person's misery, especially if he asks for it?


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I think it should be legal unless it is causing undo suffereing/damage to others. Opinion doesn't really factor into my Util calculation, however.

The patient shoudl be advised of the pros/cons of alternative treatment, including the Hospice program, but this is not without it's failures. It's not successful all the time, and the patient should decide, if he be in a competent, rational state of mind.

I think any and all people should be Euthanized if they are in a condition of persistent coma and have little chance of recovery. Sometimes people have a duty to die to prevent huge costs and burden to others.

Really, I would extend Euthanasia beyond just the terminally ill--to anyone who, of sound mind, would want to end his life to avoid further pain that won't end and cannot be treated, but again, as long as such deed would not make relatives, family etc economically, socially unstable.

As for the extremely young, I would support Euthanasia as well, after tests have shown whether or not severely deformed, ill children have a happy life. There ought to be an informing test done to show, on average, the quality of life. Then, one can base teh decision on such.

One could also base the decision to Euthanise on cost. If no one can take care of the child,then you should use that alternative.


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It seems that this debate is a no-brainer.  There appears to be no setback whatsoever for assisted suicide when the patient is chronically ill.  If a person really wants to die, why should I disagree?  Furthermore, if the patient has previously agreed that if they are in a vegetative state, they would rather die, than what harm is done?  It is easy to forget that not long ago science could not keep a person on the threshold between life and death alive.  Without modern medicine, many people considering euthanasia would have nothing to think about, they would have died from their disease or accident before they even began to ponder.  This explains why euthanasia has exploded into this modern debate.  With more people on life support than ever before, the need for euthanasia grows exponentially.  However, I believe there is a problem surrounding this debate.  We live in a society where suicide is illegal (at least in the United States - by the way the ethics of suicide are completely different, so debate those on a different forum please!).  How would the government decide when euthanasia is appropriate (hypothetically, if it were legalized), or if it was simply an attempt at suicide?  Would there be some sort of color-coded meter to display how much pain and suffering a patient was enduring?  This does not seem realistic.



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What about when the person is unable to decide, and there is no written will?


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Euthanasia is a super touchy topic because it digs into the realms of morality and ethics.

Think about it this way, if an animal was badly injured say a dog was caught in a trap and you happen to stumble on this poor creature, looking at it's injuries it seems that this dog won't survive for much longer, and if it were saved it would lose most of it's limbs or lose function to many of it's organs.

The dog can't tell you if it wants to DIE or wants to LIVE.

So what do you do? Most  people would decide to put the creature out of it's misery. So why is it when it comes to humans it's so much more sensitive?

Would it be ignorant of us to say a life of a human is worth more then a life of a dog?

Do we as humans have higher regards for our lives in terms of other living things?

Why so? Are we THAT special?

No we aren't, there are 6 billion + people in the world the only thing that makes a person important is their social network. How much value others place on them, that's it.

If someone cares then you matter, if no one cares then you don't matter.

Is there a best way to deal with such a situation as SilverStar stated? No, not precisely. Law is law and in any country whether you think the law is right or wrong, if you go against it OFTEN you will be punished even when committing an act of human empathy. Usually people in those situation are either kept alive, or by a large request by family members they have their machine 'switched off' or something like that. But still their request still has to comply with the law, many families require to go into court cases JUST to put their loved one to rest.

So why so much work? Well because a 'majority' or at least the humanitarians (and other social groups) believe that everyone is entitled to live, whether fit as a fiddle or fit as a potato...they should live.

But I'm curious to how they would answer to such as question like:

If you suffered from a terminal disease, no cure. Would you want to live a life where you are either in constant pain or confined to a bed, or can't move enough to live a productive life (god help you if you end up with 2 or all three of those).

Would you want to live?

Some may answer yes, BUT I honestly believe most would say no that includes me. If that makes me weak minded then fine so it shall be, but to me that is not a life I would want to live. Because I am not living life I am simply waiting to die.

Yes it is selfish in a way for those to decide to die and leave their love ones behind who will morn their passing, BUT is it not selfish of loved ones to KEEP someone they love alive against their will disregarding the condition they are in even when it's causing them great discomfort/pain.

If a terminally ill person is still able to make a choice on whether to die or live (while still mentally stable I might add) then I believe their wishes should be respected. As others before me have stated.

If a terminally ill person CANNOT decide for whatever reason that may be, their condition should be assessed but should probably end with them being put to rest.

As for anyone that DOESN'T suffer from a terminal disease, then depending on the situation should decide the outcome.

E.g. A mentally unstable person wanting to die should probably be seek medical help before anything else.

Compared to a person that was struck by an explosive, and had extensive injury (like half their body blown to bits). First they most likely won't survive anyways unless they are rescued promptly, but if help was far away then putting them out of their misery might be the more 'humane' thing to do.

What bothers me about this all is that, just because of the beliefs in morality and ethics that some people possess like humanitarians or just the wider majority of the population who believe that human life should be preserved regardless, is forced on the whole of society.

Yes euthanasia COULD be abused probably why it is so rarely allowed. But it is quite inhumane in my opinion to force people to watch their loved ones suffer and yet not be able to do anything to help them.


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