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Why is cloning ilegal? What possible arguements are there against cloning? Cloning has so much potential!
I really should read up on this... But I'm guessing its the whole religion issue.
I would realy like to discuss the pro's and con's of cloneing with you people.


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 4:04 PM on January 2, 2005 | IP
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personally i think its illegal because the general public and layperson's are afraid of it, we have read and seen too much science fiction to think that it would only help mankind. Fear is a prison, and cloning is trapped inside.

I think cloning does have some benefits, based on the precious little i understand, but a healthy diet has huge benefits, and even moreso, an active lifestyle, so why are not 100% of people eating and living healthy? because our desire's run contrary to what's best for us...

If they want to do something that would only help, and would see a drastic improvement in health, why don't the power's that be simply make it illegal to eat anything unhealthy, and force everybody to put an hour in on a government-regulated treadmill before going to work in the morning. this would see a drastic improvement in the longevity and quality of life we experience...  of course this is tongue in cheek, but its just something to think about... human's always want the benefit's of what only comes difficult by means which are easy (however COSTLY they may be)

just my two cents... don't take it too seriously, its merely something to discuss.



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Posts: 95 | Posted: 6:10 PM on June 1, 2005 | IP
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I dont know.  It really could bring up some big issues.  What happens when u clone a child then u have two identical people in every way.  It brings up some eithcal issues.


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Posts: 97 | Posted: 7:57 PM on June 1, 2005 | IP
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I would think that cloning is illegal because it is so new. We don't know what the outcome would be for the cloned person. The law could well be to keep people from just rushing into something that we don't fully understand, at least until the government has been able to secretly clone  some folks themselves to study.
 


Posts: 5 | Posted: 9:48 PM on June 1, 2005 | IP
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Cloning is a great thing. With cloning you can have eternal life. Also, cloning can be used for medicinal purposes as well. Unfortunately, brainholes like the Pope and George W. Bush are trying to stop cloning. There are just delaying the inevitable.


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Posts: 68 | Posted: 11:57 PM on June 21, 2005 | IP
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Quote from skins38 at 2:57 PM on June 1, 2005 :
I dont know.  It really could bring up some big issues.  What happens when u clone a child then u have two identical people in every way.  It brings up some eithcal issues.


people's personalities are largely based on experience, as well as genetic makeup, so i dont think that would be much more of a problem than twins.
 


Posts: 152 | Posted: 3:52 PM on September 17, 2005 | IP
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If you make the statement that cloning itself is bad, then any good that comes from cloning is in that way tainted.

If you make the statement that cloning itself is not bad, but the way you use it can be deemed as bad, then it all depends on the way you use it.

If scientists discovered a way to emlimate cancer through genetic engineering, then they should merely need to resequence a pre-existing embryo, it isn't cloning as such.

If you use cloning to replicate a healthy organ to replace one that has been damaged, is that immoral?

If you replicate a complete, yet non-sentient, human for organ harvesting, is that immoral?
Where do you draw the line at how far can we go to produce clones for our needs or desires?

Is it wrong to take life to support another?  If so, then the vast majority of things we eat would suddenly become immoral.
So we draw the line at plant life and non-sentient animal lifeforms.

This begs the next question... What is life?
Theologically speaking, is it wrong to reproduce in any manner other than sexual intercourse?  Some say yes, including methods of artifical insemenation.  Some say if God had not intended for us to discover cloning, then he wouldn't have let it happen.  On the same arguement it could be said, if God had not intended the Animal Protection Services to be formed he wouldn't let some of us torture small animals. (By the way, no, I don't torture small animals)
Theology being what it is, will always come down to each person's personal beliefs and shall therefore be debatable until the end of time.

But I digress...

Say that there was a certain ruler with such an intense megalomania that he thought his personal gene sequence, whatever it was, should be foisted on the entire population.  To this end he had 1000 clones of himself made and turned them loose into the gene pool.  Would that be bad?

It is not merely an issue of wrong to use cloning, the issue in this instance would be the fact he would be forcing people to breed with his clones in order to spread his genes.  With such a ruler, if no-one chose to mate with any or enough of his clones I'd doubt he would sit back and say "Oh well, it's a nice idea while it lasted."  On the contrary, it would be more likely he'd either make it law to mate with his clones, or take other more forcable measures to achieve his ends.  The removal of our rights would be what makes his cloning idea immoral and not the creation of the clones themselves.

The point is that cloning, in and of itself, is just another way to have a baby.  The only difference is that by cloning you assure that the baby will be an identical twin, in all but age, of it's one parent.  Does that concept offend you?

I see it as having no moral content one way or the other.

Creating life be it by natural methods of reproduction or by scientific methods of cloning, should both carry with it a level of responsibility and ownership.  If I were be creating clones left right and centre, merely because I could, then I would be wrong in doing so for I would be demonstrating a lack of responsibility for my actions.

If I created a clone of myself for companionship, then I would still be wrong because I have no right to say to the clone, you are mine designed for me to keep me company.  Any sentient lifeform should have as much liberty and freedom with rights as any being born in the natural order of life.

If by cloning living human beings, we could use them to discover great leaps forward in medical knowledge does that make cloning ok?
Well wouldn't it then depend on how we treated these clones in order to achieve that goal...
Are we creating them to be used as the new scientific-aged guinea pig?
Are we using them to perform experimental operations without fear of loosing a valued loved one?
Are we maintaining their life merely to take their organs when required by natural born humans?
Are we treating them with as much respect and courtesy as any other naturally born human?
Do they have rights?

Some people say that the creation of a clone in some way lessens them.
We all like to think of ourselves as having a unique quality about us that makes us special.
Some say that the creation of clones will increase the quantity of disease and pestilance in world through the cloning of diseased people or those prone to certain ailements.  This may be true for now, though through perfected cloning and genetic resequencing, it would become an issue of the past.

Another issue raised is that cloning coupled with genetic resequencing can render some life secondary and removable.  For example, if an unborn feotus is discovered to have an untreatable genetic 'imperfection' then it may be considered as unsuitable for allowing life to continue.  And then kill it...
How do we know that the child may not have gone on to be the next famous disabled genius, of deaf musician for instance.  There is no limit to the number of unknown variables through out life.  That is the arguement they bring.
 


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"What happens when u clone a child then u have two identical people in every way."

like twins. physically twins are the same(exception being fingerprints). mentally and emotionally they are not the same people same with a clone.

Plus, its true cloning can be made to clone specific organs thereby giving a vastly enormous(not infinate, there is a difference) amount

In the end this will end up the same way w/ stem cell research, they both benefit but people fear them.

Cloning is inevitably entwined with stem cells. when one becomes accepted, in 5-10 yrs so will the other. one thing though, i am NOT saying they are the same thing. but that they are both feared for VERY similar reasons.

(Edited by slowdownandthink 7/17/2006 at 11:46 PM).


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Posts: 18 | Posted: 11:42 PM on July 17, 2006 | IP
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I have a couple of questions about cloning,

Should cloning research continue into the future? Can we overcome the problems with cloning with time?

Why is eugenics bad?

Is cloning a risk to big to make?

Why is future research of cloning bad? What will happen?
 


Posts: 1 | Posted: 10:55 AM on July 24, 2006 | IP
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Quote from Peter87 at 4:04 PM on January 2, 2005 :
Why is cloning ilegal? What possible arguements are there against cloning? Cloning has so much potential!
I really should read up on this... But I'm guessing its the whole religion issue.
I would realy like to discuss the pro's and con's of cloneing with you people.



I don't know, I think it would be great to make a clone army, but thats just me.


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Posts: 160 | Posted: 10:37 AM on August 18, 2008 | IP
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one of the arguments for coning is that it happens naturally with twins, so why not using technology??
well, if u know about the first animal cloned, u will see that it did not survive until the age the species normally live up to...the assumption was made that, because the nucleus contained the information that the cells were already a certtain age. hence the premature death. so cloning has a ot of ethical issues associated with it...
also, with cloning, we dont get variation, hence diseases may become prevalent, and we may have an increase in gene mutations and expressions of recessive alleles.


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and nut cases like me will make a clone army to pursue dreams of world domination.


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