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time travel paradoxes. i would like to kick this off by saying that time paradoxes only exist when transfering past matter in a state containing future amtter, not matter going into past matter. reason:

there are 2
1- it widely believed that an atom can only exist once in any present state, physically this is true. so how could a me from the future interact with a me from the past, well, the future matter is not the same as the past amtter, that is obvious, but even more subtely is how this works with pith apst amtter which will eventually become future matter. the past matter will be altered by the future matter, meaning that no matter what happens, the past matter cannot become the future matter, thus the paradox of two atoms existing is true, because physics will not allow it.
2- the paradox going back into time and killing my father or distant ancestor killing mew and stopping me from time traveling is false. me going back in time and killing my relatives would in fact kill me, but because i have gone back in time and done this, i have created an alternate future, such as me killing hitler would stop the holocaust from happening, but because it didnt happen i wouldnt have to go back right? wrong but also right. i dont have to go back because it has already happened, i did the deed, and as a result caused in alternate future in which me time traveling back doesnt even exit, the thought would never occur, and instead of the universe say going to the left has switched to going onto a path to the right.

now what intrigues me is this, if one can rtavel into the past and affect the future, is that i must wonder, have we created ourselves in our own image? think about it, the power to travel back with sufficient technology and power, you COULD create the universe from scratch, based on the present day model, and you could also go back in time and create the first life...thus we created ourselves in our own image.
 


Posts: 3 | Posted: 9:18 PM on January 3, 2005 | IP
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recursion on a scale that large is absurd. even if life did loop in such a way, something still would have to initiate this neverending function.




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Posts: 95 | Posted: 6:57 PM on May 4, 2005 | IP
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not necicerily! if you study theoretical physics it all becomes incredibly confusing! I'm not going to pretend that I understand this but the just of it is that on earth we have cause and effect, which occurs in the entire universe, however at the quantum level and at greater levels it doesn't have to be that way round... hence the effect could happen before the cause... hence we could create our selves (the effect) before we actualy do it (the cause)...
ok so it all gets complicated but you must remember that theoretical physicists don't get out much and thus they get chance to create incredibly complicated ideas, which I'm not going to try to explain or even comprehend myself.


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 3:56 PM on May 5, 2005 | IP
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i see your point, but there's a fine line between a way-out there idea and crazy. as interesting as all of these ideas are, you can waste your life away contemplating paradox's that there is no solution for, instead of using your mind to come up with something useful. now, it may be their intention to come up with something useful, but for me thinking that way is just entertainment, its an escape from reality. If one of these "crazy" ideas makes it's way into our everday lives, thats awesome, but you can impact people far greater with far less effort in my opinion... now on this website i dont see a whole lot of opinions changed... most of us seem pretty set in our ways, regardless of what they are.



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Posts: 95 | Posted: 7:14 PM on May 5, 2005 | IP
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yeah I agree with you there, however my opinions have changes on abortion since coming to this forum, however not from one extreme to the other. Just a slight change.


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 8:39 PM on May 5, 2005 | IP
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it's probably because people who aren't set in their ways dont talk about their current opinion in a way to avoid contradicting themselves or something... my beliefs change slightly over time also.

i think debate sites attract skeptics and strong believers.. i'm a skeptic of all things, i can't blindly believe anything, and i certainly dont have a problem with an open mind, its just that in certain areas, i determined them "case-closed" so to speak.

im more interested in why people believe what they do, and what they have in mind in case they're wrong... i mean, theories are interesting, but the people who believe them are far more interesting.

wouldn't you agree



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Posts: 95 | Posted: 8:57 PM on May 5, 2005 | IP
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Yes I do.
I don't think I'm certain on anything,somthing such as eveolution I belive because of the current evidence available suprots it more than anything else so it is therefore the logical choice (for me) and I will hold that belief unless evidence is produced otherwise. However my opinions on otherthing such as abortion are based on my opinions and morals and so are much more open to change without any real evidence. However contary to that my views on homosexuality are also opinion based (as everyones are) but are much less likly to change becuase I can't see any reason why I would stop suporting it.


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 09:09 AM on May 6, 2005 | IP
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Time travel is not possible.


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Posts: 68 | Posted: 10:37 PM on June 27, 2005 | IP
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Theoretically Time travel is possible but in practical terms the energy and scale of the endeavor would make it more or less impossible in a practical sense. But a type 3 civilization might get away with it.


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Posts: 34 | Posted: 03:57 AM on July 1, 2005 | IP
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general relativity predicts that time travel, at least forward in time, is possible.  This has actually been proven to be true.  astronauts travelling space recorded that their time was 1 second behind that of earths.  This is due to the way the earth (and all massive cosmic bodies) warp the 'fabric' of space.

there are also mathematical theories (which would have to be true for the overall theory to be true) that claim there are warps in space that actually loop into themselves, creating a loop in time where one can travel along and see everyone who has travelled along that loop, within a certain amount of time (the loop must be finite, so only a certain length of time can 'fit' in it).

(Edited by RoyLennigan 9/17/2005 at 4:20 PM).
 


Posts: 152 | Posted: 4:19 PM on September 17, 2005 | IP
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i would really like to travle back in time
and explore all the places at different times
i would like to view the titanic and travle with the people
hope i get a seat in one of the lofeboats when it sinks

 


Posts: 11 | Posted: 09:38 AM on September 25, 2005 | IP
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To avoid the hassles of temporal paradoxes, one could also adopt the alternate universe theory in conjunction with travelling through time.

The mere act of making a decision in one's life is a point at which another universe veers off into an alternate future.

Therefore, if someone were to travel backwards through time and alter an events outcome  in that timeline to differ from the past they knew, then that would be creating an alternate future for that timeline and would therefore not be a cause for a paradox.

If I went back through time and killed my grandfather, then I would still exist because I originated from an alternative universe in which my grandfather did not in fact die.  The grandfather who was killed by me shall have no future, nor offspring and therefore in that particular universe, I shall never exist.
 


Posts: 3 | Posted: 07:56 AM on December 21, 2005 | IP
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Ow.  my head hurts...


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 4:00 PM on January 6, 2006 | IP
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time travel is pure, total fantasy.

p.s. i mean specifically choosing the exact moment forward or backward in time.

(Edited by slowdownandthink 7/17/2006 at 11:48 PM).


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Posts: 18 | Posted: 11:46 PM on July 17, 2006 | IP
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No its not fantasy.. its FACT that time is distorted around a black hole.  Travelling back in time is easy. .. traveling into the future is impossible
 


Posts: 42 | Posted: 02:15 AM on October 10, 2006 | IP
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about going back and shaping the first life our own image thing. how where you created to in turn go back and do that it has to start somewhere dude


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Quote from JetSunn at 9:15 PM on October 9, 2006 :
Travelling back in time is easy. .. traveling into the future is impossible


Uh... you got it backwards there, buddy.
 


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Actually, I always figured if someone managed to travel back in time it would've happened already.  You'd really have to have the ability to have alternate timelines for time travel to be feasible.


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I agree. Where are the time travellers from the future? The bending of theoretical time is possible, but that is completely different from a neat little time machine that looks like a dalorian. I think that will be one of sciences holy grails and i  hope if stays hidden forever (or mythical).


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If time travel existed people would be off killing hitler, Darwin, George Washington. etc etc causing mass havoc.
 


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Quote from slowdownandthink at 11:46 PM on July 17, 2006 :
time travel is pure, total fantasy.

p.s. i mean specifically choosing the exact moment forward or backward in time.

(Edited by slowdownandthink 7/17/2006 at 11:48 PM).



So was a jet fighter in Ancient Greece


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I think if time travel were possible then someone in future would hvae already done it. Maybe people from our past were actually people from our future.


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