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It may be long, but its worth the read!

Yes there is a secret to it, and I hold the key. and it all lies in faith! However this is not the faith in heaven or hell or any other religious paradise or underworld, but rather in theoretical physics, and inprobability.

Due to the nature of quantum physics ANYTHING and EVERYTHING is possible. Therefore there is a finite, yet tiny chance of anything happening. Therefore there is a possibility that after you die you will come back fully reformed, with all your brainwave paterns. However that depends on how the brain works, if it is purely the laws of science then your exact brain wave parerns could be replicated, at in incredibly small probability.

I know your thinking ok so there is a tiny probability that I may come back to life somewhere, the whole point is that it could be ANYWHERE at ANYTIME, the center of a star or most likly the vast nothing of space, however again there is a minute possability that you will "reborn" on a planet, and an even smaller chance that it is habbitable.

Ok so your looking at somewhere near a probability of 1 other infinity, although, it is a finite probability. But consider this, if the universe is indeed infinate, such that it is a constant cycle of expansion and contraction, or simpily constant expansion then there is infinate number of chance that it could happen, and therefore IT WILL  happen.

Consider this, I give you a billion sided dice and I bet you that you cannot roll 11476892 and you probably wouldn't win that bet. However if I said you had a billion billion roles of the dice to get it the chances are that you would eventualy get it.

Or, what are the chances of YOU winning the lottery? and, What are the chances of SOMEONE winning the lottery?

So IF the universe is indeed infinate AND the human mind is simpily based around the laws of physics then you will be reborn and infinate number of times in an infinate number of environments and situations, probably at an infinte number of alterations and an infinate number of stages in life. However if the brain isn't based on the laws of physics then your body would just randomly apear everywhere.

So now what will you with your new found knowledge on how to live forever?


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 8:38 PM on May 20, 2005 | IP
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I undestand your point, but actually, just because its possible, doesn't mean it will eventually happen. Unless you mean that the the infiniteness of time, sure, of course it will happen. However, conceptual ideas sometimes aren't even applicable to ever exist, they aren't a ratio or probable occurence.

That's like saying that in the expanse of the universe, it will eventually implode in itself and we will all become three-headed yaks. The universe would have to implode itself trillions of times for that to occur, and that's assuming the the universe is something "implodable." Not everything is possible..
 


Posts: 85 | Posted: 12:22 PM on May 27, 2005 | IP
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Yes which is why I was careful to explain how it was possible for these things to be possible, if they are possible and the universe is infinate then they are "ceratain" to happen. Unless the end of the universe is possible and that happens first.


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 9:57 PM on May 27, 2005 | IP
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Quote from Peter87 at 9:57 PM on May 27, 2005 :
Yes which is why I was careful to explain how it was possible for these things to be possible, if they are possible and the universe is infinate then they are "ceratain" to happen. Unless the end of the universe is possible and that happens first.


Lol...However, who is the judge of what is possible and what is not ;-)?



 


Posts: 85 | Posted: 12:27 PM on May 29, 2005 | IP
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exactly, I was just saying they might be possible.


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 5:53 PM on May 29, 2005 | IP
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Quote from Box of Fox at 12:22 PM on May 27, 2005 :
that's assuming the the universe is something "implodable." Not everything is possible..


It is! there is a theory which states that the Universe will expand till it cannot (i'm not sure how) and will snap back into that pencil point sized spere of mass from which another big bang will occur. I think it can happen.

Sure and maybe we will reincarnate on another planet but it won't really be you due to the fact our original atoms are billions of miles away and have been broken down by then.


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Posts: 121 | Posted: 7:24 PM on May 29, 2005 | IP
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Working on this basis we could just be one of an infinate chain of big bangs... whats to say we are the first? if this one can "collapse" (not really the right word) and form another big bang there is no reason why one (or an infinate number) of others already have.


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 10:10 PM on May 29, 2005 | IP
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Not a lot to say about this but... it seems to me that proposing such things contains more assumptions and entities than evidence, fact, study, and proof... if we are so eager to dismiss God through occam's razor in our science study (which i dont have a problem with, really... i understand the value of doing this), then why do we not apply occam's razor to these thoughts as well..

p.s. I'm attending a public lecture tonight at the Perimiter Institute of Theoretical Physics, and they are going to discuss superstring theory and gravitons and quantum physics and the like... i'm looking forward to sharing what is presented as an addition to this thread.



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well i just got back from the lecture... it was really good, these guys obviously make theoretical physics their life... world renown physicists are interesting breed to be sure..

unfortunately i can't say i have anything new to bring up here... most of what they covered isn't debate-material... i think personally that the super-string theory is the most fascinating, because in my mind, that is where we will find evidence of what we refer to currently as super-natural but will quickly become within the realm of science...

for example, what if death from this life is just birth into another.... with more apparrant dimensions.  such as these 10-dimensions that superstring theory introduces



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Posts: 95 | Posted: 10:23 PM on June 1, 2005 | IP
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I wish I was at that lecture... sounds very fascinating.

But back onto this perpetual big bang theory. As we all know, for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction and the force of the Big Bang could infact cause a reaction of a snapping back action and centralizing all it's matter into a pinpoint size speck. Then the theory of the Big bang takes effect and would continue the cycle. I'm not saying it is 100% true but it is possible and is being considered in the scientific community.


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Posts: 121 | Posted: 10:26 PM on June 21, 2005 | IP
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The secret to eternal life is cloning. By the time you're about to die, you can clone yourself a new body and transfer your memories and personality into this new body. That's how the Elohim do it.


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OK you develop cloneing and brain transfer then come back and tell us when its ready ;)


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 05:08 AM on June 22, 2005 | IP
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The secret to eternal life is cloning. By the time you're about to die, you can clone yourself a new body and transfer your memories and personality into this new body. That's how the Elohim do it.

Sounds like the Asgard in Stargate SG1.
So how is this transfer done? Considering that your memories and personality are a function of your brains structure and neurochemistry, how are these tranfered to another brain?


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Quote from mabfynhad at 09:15 AM on June 22, 2005 :
The secret to eternal life is cloning. By the time you're about to die, you can clone yourself a new body and transfer your memories and personality into this new body. That's how the Elohim do it.

Sounds like the Asgard in Stargate SG1.
So how is this transfer done? Considering that your memories and personality are a function of your brains structure and neurochemistry, how are these tranfered to another brain?


By taking a piece from the forehead area.


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Posts: 68 | Posted: 10:36 PM on June 27, 2005 | IP
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By taking a piece from the forehead area.

Thats rather vague. Do you mean transplanting a part of the brain onto another brain? This brings up all sorts of interesting issues.
Ok your removing a "piece" of a brain, how much? The frontal lobe seems to control your general personality but your temporal lobe seems to have your memories and knowlage of language. So I would estimate that that you would need to transfer at least 2/3 of the brain. Lets say the transfer works and you (well your 2/3 of brain) are now in a nice fresh young cloned body, what about that 2/3 of brain thats just as old as your ex body? that will degrade and die(not to mention the damage done during the transfer)- you'll be a young looking dementia maybe Alzheimers sufferer. How do you get around that?    


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woah woah... dont get too carried away with quantum physics.  the theory claims that, at the quantum level all possibilities already exist.  the actual outcome is the possibility that can be observed [in this universe].  such as an atom spontaneously moving through a seemingly impenetrable wall.  this is possible and has been proven.  but nothing larger [so far].

theoretically, something like what you say could be true, but not exactly.  if you took the probabilities you were talking of, in the trillians or more to 1, and applied it to the possibility of walking through a wall, that would be more credible.  there really is no rationale for someone dying and then suddenly being reborn somewhere.  but you are talking of the chance that all the cells will move together, and stay together, which is a wildly improbably possibility (though possible if the universe is infinite through time and space).

the cells are the only thing though, the brain waves are just static electricity moving through the pathways of the brain, there is no need for a 'jumpstart,' it just happens as long as the brain is in the right physical state.
 


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Quote from Lord Iorek at 4:24 PM on May 29, 2005 :
Quote from Box of Fox at 12:22 PM on May 27, 2005 :
that's assuming the the universe is something "implodable." Not everything is possible..


It is! there is a theory which states that the Universe will expand till it cannot (i'm not sure how) and will snap back into that pencil point sized spere of mass from which another big bang will occur. I think it can happen.

Sure and maybe we will reincarnate on another planet but it won't really be you due to the fact our original atoms are billions of miles away and have been broken down by then.


You're talking about the singularity? I'm on a need to know basis. If it isn't effecting me know, should I worry?




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