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Is the  Flat Tax the fairest plan?

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Posts: 31 | Posted: 11:16 AM on May 2, 2002 | IP
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no.  Kill all taxes.  Goverment needs less cash n e way.


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I think so. The flat tax favors no specific group and encourages hard work. I think that if the gov't would go back to its Constitutional boundries the flat tax would be best. But I don't see this coming in the very near future for some reason.

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Posts: 51 | Posted: 01:29 AM on January 1, 2003 | IP
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Flat tax targets the poor. If you look at who gets the benefits from switching, its all the rich, the poor pay more. a progressive tax system shifts the burden on those most able to pay it, and that is fair in a capitalist society.


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A flat tax encourages hard work. If you work you probably won't be poor and the tax will not be all that great a burden. I now see, yes the flat tax does target one group: lazy people.


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once again, are you accusing the single working mother of being lazy? yet most of these people are living in poverty. flat taxes certainly do not help that situation


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Oh please. A capitalist society does not equal a meritocracy. Hard working people still can be poor quite easily. Capitalism inherently provides for advantages and disadvantages based on class. Someone who is born poor and works still can quite easily stay poor. Someone who is born rich and works will not be poor. What is needed a progressive tax system, an expansion of the EITC (Earned Income Tax Credit) to provide an incentive for work, and programs to reduce the "Wealth oppurtunity gap." That is fair.
As Joseph Schumpter once said "In capitalism, there is an inherant tendancy towards self-destruction."


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I have been talking the flat tax matter over with some friends of mine and I have found that I held the wrong view. I thought that the flat tax was a set amount of money (say $1,000) that one paid every year. I am sorry for the confusion I have caused. I still like the national sales tax, but the progressive tax is starting to look like a good idea as well. Thx for bearing with me guys!


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Posts: 51 | Posted: 12:43 AM on January 3, 2003 | IP
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OK we are halfway there!

Problem with a nat'l sales tax is this:
I assume you mean we'll replace the income tax with it (otherwise its just an additional tax right?). the problem is is that currently, the poor dont pay taxes (in fact sometimes they get paid back in taxes due to the EITC). With a sales tax they will. We will be taking away the EITC, thus taking away the poors money, AND at the same time raising their taxes, b/c now they have to pay more taxes on whatever food/drink/other bare necessities they can buy with their meager dough.


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How would the goverment run without tax money? I think the founders got that right when they got rid of the Articles of Confederation... that was the problem. But you're a communist, right, Exxoss? Communism gives more money to the government...

I think a progressive tax is thr fairest way to do it. The top ten percent already pay 70 percent of taxes, the top one percent pay 37 percent, but they have a ton of money anyway. Why should average or poor people be burdened with it when the rich can pay it with no problems, just a complaint?


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Did I just see broker take a compassionate, liberal position!!! WAHOOO!!!


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Don't count on that too often :P


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It feels good, doesn't it? Come...join the light...don't be afraid....


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I'm not such a rightest... I like some liberal ideas, but far more conservative ones. Better reason to back me for president... I'll do a nice mixture of policy! My friends, planning my life because they can, are having me run in 2032 for president from governorship of Florida. That's right around the time social security runs out. Then I can privatize it! lol... Yeah, I suppose it's nice to have others set high goals for you. Most people I meet say I'll be the president anyway, so why not?


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I doubt I'd have a problem winning this state if I ever ran for governor. I've always lived here and the Democrats haven't solved many problems. Go Jeb! I bet he'll run for President after his term. Time to play elderly politics! The Democrats will depict me as throwing grandma down the stairs... We could use a lot of reforms here.


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Jeb "I'll spend my term making fun of lesbians" Bush
Jeb "I'll deny the voters the right to education reform, even if they approve the referendum on it (via 'devious tricks')!" Bush
Jeb "...Just like the last time i denied voters their will" Bush


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i predict that broker will be a full-fledged liberal by the end of february. he's already made vast improvements


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great, now you'll scare him away.


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Do you know how much that class size amendment will cost this state? Almost all of my teachers and most of the students are against that amendment. This state has a budget shortfall and implementing that plan will cost billions.


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Like I said, I'm not such a rightest. I can be a moderate, but I have more conservative views.


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Great. That's an election issue. But the people obviously voted that their priority of where to spend what dollars they had was on reducing class sizes. Bush doesn't have the right to ignore the voters expressed will.


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I think they should have asked teachers and students... it passed by a small percent. I think the plan would cost about 25 billion to implement. Far too expensive... I think that's just building classes. Then we still have to hire teachers.


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You may be right. What exactly does that change? If we set govt. policy by what's right, as opposed to what was voted, alot of things would change (the president being the first...wait he wasn't elected either.)


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But it wasn't really an informed vote. I dount anyone would argue reducing class size is bad, thus why it passed. Then there's the revelation that it will cost the state billions. One state senator is calling for it to be put on an emergency vote...

That amendment would limit class size to twenty students in middle and high school. That means we'll have to double schools and teachers... that means education spending will have to be doubled... we need furniture, computers, supplies, transportation, and teachers to put into those classrooms and get people into them. Can we afford to double education spending in this state? We're in a budget shortfall! The answer is most probably no. Most people didn't bother to watch the governors debates, but I watched all three of them and saw this issue. Most people don't know how much it will cost, and if they did they'd probably vote it down.

I think the Electoral College works well. It represents states and people... the people choosing who will represent their state. Without it, smaller states would be ignored...


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in a way, you are right broker when you say that the electoral college gives states more of a say. but i have a problem when the losing candidate gets a majority of the vote


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There are different ways of looking at it. The people elect the people who vote for the state, and that's fair. The states voted for Bush, the people by majority for Gore. But if you just go by the people only big states would get attention. That's one of the reasons they created the Electoral College. The system works, and well.


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Simply: Gore got a people majority, not state majority. Based on our system, state majority matters more and should.


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Posts: 351 | Posted: 10:56 PM on January 5, 2003 | IP
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You could still lose with a state majority in the electoral system. But I meant that Bush facilitated denying a real vote in FL in 2000(read "Jews for Buchanan" for more info). I firmly believe that more people left the polls of FL that day believing they had cast a vote for Al Gore. Whether or not a recount would have confirmed that is debatable, b/c of the problems with what standard to use etc.. but at least the count should have occured.

As for voters making an uninformed decision...is anyone shocked to hear that voters are uneducated? anyone? at all?


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Those ballots weren't even used in very many counties... mainly Miami-Dade, the same place that had problems with the new computer voting. That is a Democratic area... are the Democrats trying to make Republicans look bad or something?


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And the Democratic election boards were counting ballots as all Democrat or Republican if a few of the first votes were either way... when a reporter pointed that out he got kicked out. That was just wrong.


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As a opposed to Republican's "editing" overseas absentee ballots ("Kansas MIGHT be overseas")? Problems existed in both parties.

But no one can argue that a full, fair, single standard manual recount ALA Canada, with the primary focus on discerning voter intent, shouldn't have happened (except Bush, his campaign staff, and Harris (oh wait she was ON the campaign staff)).


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I was just pointing out an example in Florida.

You don't look at a ballot and call it a Democratic voting trend because the first three votes were for Democrats. That is exactly what was happening in manual recounts in Democratic counties. Discerning voter intent was just that.

Then you have Gore saying all votes should be counted trying to throw military ballots out...

Just remember that Democratic counties ALWAYS have the voting problems. Maybe the Democrats don't do anything so they can keep their Senate and House seats and try and take the governorship... They did try to blame election problems on Jeb in counties controlled by them.


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That's what you meant be trend? No, no, no. they might USE that along with everything else (like, this guy voted for 17 democrats and he has a swinging chad for Gore. whatcha think?) but if it is used by itself thats wrong.

Gore said all ballots cast should be counted if the voter intent could be discerned, and presumably if they weren't fraudulent. The military absentee ballots that came in were "modified" by the republican election officials. These ballots were supposed to be overseas only, and some were coming from kansas. Fradulant ballots don't have to be counted. Plus you have the whole thing reported by the Orlando Sentinial. I believe the county was Lake County and here's what happened. the ballot was and optical one, where u shade in the box next to the candidate. It also had a box for write in where it said "write candidates name here." Many people shaded in, say, Bush and then wrote in Bush and shaded that too, or did it for whatever candidate. that is easily discernable voter intent. that was a 12,000 person net gain for gore.

Democratic precients have voting problems b/c they tend to be poorer and less educated. The election supervisors, tragically, can't do much to solve that. But they can blame Jeb and Harris for not allowing votes to be counted.

Oh and just a bit of trivia. The absentee ballot case, though in my mind, was not in anyway linked to the Gore campaign, they didnt start or partake in the case. just thought you should know.


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Voter intent according to Democratic election boards was that if the first few votes were for Democrats it was a Democratic voting trend and everything on the ballot was counted Democrat. It happened, and, like I said, when someone complained he got kicked out...didn't you see that video? They played it a lot.


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i have a feeling that if Bush got the majority vote but Gore became president due to the electoral college, the Republicans wouldnt be as sympathetic with the electoral college as they are now. and with all honesty, i probably wouldnt be as harsh on the electoral college. lets be honest. its easy to get pissed off when a candidate from your party gets the majority vote but loses.





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I don't think I'd be mad. The Electoral College is a fair system... it makes all states important.


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I like the electoral college. I just think Gore would have won it. And no, I didn't see the video. I remember the one with the Bush mob terrorizing the Miami recount though.


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I think the same thing happened there too. What those election boards were doing was just wrong. If I lived down there I bet I'd have been in that mob. What they were doing was morally wrong and probably illegal. Three votes for Democrats doesn't mean Democratic voting trend, this person intended to vote all for Democrats and we won't bother to see who they really voted for. A state wide recount like that would have been pointless.


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a state wide recount done independently would have been fine. and I hardly think that Miami's actions justified a mob action. (as much of an affinity that miami has with mobs).


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Why not storm the elctions office? Count our votes and count them right! We know you're not and we know you really don't want to.


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umm...the same reason I'm not storming the white house right now for not doing his domestic policy right?


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That's really different. People counting your ballots unfairly and incorrectly and kicking people out of the room when they point it out is different than making policy decisions.


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alright, how about me storming vp Cheney's office for not releasing his documents on his meetings with energy execs and letting them unfairly influence energy policy?

Both are being unfair. Both are trying (maybe) to prevent the democratic process from asserting itself. The violence was justified in neither case.


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Violence? All you did was storm the office and do some shouting. It's not like you went in with an AK-47 and C4 charges...


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Posts: 351 | Posted: 9:34 PM on January 6, 2003 | IP
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"all they did was storm the office and shout. not violent" Yeah. Just like a riot is nonviolent. It was intended to be intimidation. If they wanted to shout, they could do it outside like lawabiding citizens.


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If you will check into the ones who stormed the voting office in Florida you will find that most of them were paid staffers of Republican office holders.  I saw one picture that identified them all and each was on the staff of Republican members of congress.  Not one of them was even from Florida.  It was not an uprising of people form Florida it was only paid staffers.
 


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You can find that picture in the book "Jews for Buchanan". Its a very interesting read.


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Serves them right anyway. They weren't counting fairly.


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Posts: 351 | Posted: 5:10 PM on January 7, 2003 | IP
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They weren't being fair!! Make them stop!

Please. That entire election wasn't fair.


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I agree.

But the majority of problems occurred in Democratic areas. Finding boxes of ballots in schools? How could that happen? Simply absurd.

The new voting machines were great, though Miami-Dade still had huge problems. Apparently the people who volunteered to staff the facilities didn't even bother to show up.


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